Plate Number Coil (PNC) with inverted number

Hi,

I hope this question is not extremely lame - if it is, please forgive
me: I'm really new to PNCs.

Anyway, a small collection of PNCs ended up in my hands a few days
ago. Upon checking the stamps I noticed that one of them (Scott number
2115) has the plate number ("1") inverted. This variation is not
mentioned in the Scott US Specialized 2006 catalog and I have not been
able to find anything about it after searching the web.

Does anybody know anything about this variation? Is it a common or
rare one? Any info will be greatly appreciated.


Best regards,

Ditman

On Jan 31, 6:09 am, wrote:
Hi,

I hope this question is not extremely lame - if it is, please forgive
me: I'm really new to PNCs.

Anyway, a small collection of PNCs ended up in my hands a few days
ago. Upon checking the stamps I noticed that one of them (Scott number
2115) has the plate number ("1") inverted. This variation is not
mentioned in the Scott US Specialized 2006 catalog and I have not been
able to find anything about it after searching the web.

Does anybody know anything about this variation? Is it a common or
rare one? Any info will be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

Ditman



I have not heard of any such inverts on plate numbers.

Could you post a hi-resolution scan of the stamp online for us to
see?
There are a number of free services , such as www.cjoint.com where
you can do this.

Blair

On Jan 31, 2:27 pm, "Blair (TC)" wrote:
On Jan 31, 6:09 am, wrote:



Hi,

I hope this question is not extremely lame - if it is, please forgive
me: I'm really new to PNCs.

Anyway, a small collection of PNCs ended up in my hands a few days
ago. Upon checking the stamps I noticed that one of them (Scott number
2115) has the plate number ("1") inverted. This variation is not
mentioned in the Scott US Specialized 2006 catalog and I have not been
able to find anything about it after searching the web.

Does anybody know anything about this variation? Is it a common or
rare one? Any info will be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

Ditman

I have not heard of any such inverts on plate numbers.

Could you post a hi-resolution scan of the stamp online for us to
see?
There are a number of free services , such aswww.cjoint.comwhere
you can do this.

Blair



Yes, I was planning to do this anyway, but did not have the images
with me.
So, I uploaded a 300 DPI (100 KB) image he
http://www.greekrepository.com/inver...erted-0300.jpg
and a 1200 DPI (1MB) one he http://www.greekrepository.com/inver...erted-1200.jpg

I have already admitted not being particularly educated in PNCs, but
have been collecting stamps for 20 years and this is one that drives
me crazy! Here is why: "inverted" or "not inverted" can only be used
for describing the orientation of an element relative to the picture
on the stamp. Accordingly, you only get inverted variations for
elements that are printed sperately (on a different step) than the
rest of the pictu this is why you have a lot of such errors in
overprints, etc.
However, AFAIK, plate numbers are fixed on the plate (that's the idea,
after all, right?) and they are printed on the same step with the rest
of the picture. So, how can the plate number be inverted?!?! Is there
any info about the plate numbers being added before or after the
printing of the rest of the stamp?

Anyway, as stated, any info is welcome

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On Jan 31, 2:27 pm, "Blair (TC)" wrote:
On Jan 31, 6:09 am, wrote:



Hi,

I hope this question is not extremely lame - if it is, please forgive
me: I'm really new to PNCs.

Anyway, a small collection of PNCs ended up in my hands a few days
ago. Upon checking the stamps I noticed that one of them (Scott number
2115) has the plate number ("1") inverted. This variation is not
mentioned in the Scott US Specialized 2006 catalog and I have not been
able to find anything about it after searching the web.

Does anybody know anything about this variation? Is it a common or
rare one? Any info will be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

Ditman

I have not heard of any such inverts on plate numbers.

Could you post a hi-resolution scan of the stamp online for us to
see?
There are a number of free services , such aswww.cjoint.comwhere
you can do this.

Blair



Yes, I was planning to do this anyway, but did not have the images
with me.
So, I uploaded a 300 DPI (100 KB) image he
http://www.greekrepository.com/inver...erted-0300.jpg
and a 1200 DPI (1MB) one he
http://www.greekrepository.com/inver...erted-1200.jpg

I have already admitted not being particularly educated in PNCs, but
have been collecting stamps for 20 years and this is one that drives
me crazy! Here is why: "inverted" or "not inverted" can only be used
for describing the orientation of an element relative to the picture
on the stamp. Accordingly, you only get inverted variations for
elements that are printed sperately (on a different step) than the
rest of the pictu this is why you have a lot of such errors in
overprints, etc.
However, AFAIK, plate numbers are fixed on the plate (that's the idea,
after all, right?) and they are printed on the same step with the rest
of the picture. So, how can the plate number be inverted?!?! Is there
any info about the plate numbers being added before or after the
printing of the rest of the stamp?

Anyway, as stated, any info is welcome

I believe that's a T not a 1 - I seem to recall this as a plate # for some
coils.

Scott

Scott wrote:
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On Jan 31, 2:27 pm, "Blair (TC)" wrote:
On Jan 31, 6:09 am, wrote:



Hi,
I hope this question is not extremely lame - if it is, please forgive
me: I'm really new to PNCs.
Anyway, a small collection of PNCs ended up in my hands a few days
ago. Upon checking the stamps I noticed that one of them (Scott number
2115) has the plate number ("1") inverted. This variation is not
mentioned in the Scott US Specialized 2006 catalog and I have not been
able to find anything about it after searching the web.
Does anybody know anything about this variation? Is it a common or
rare one? Any info will be greatly appreciated.
Best regards,
Ditman
I have not heard of any such inverts on plate numbers.

Could you post a hi-resolution scan of the stamp online for us to
see?
There are a number of free services , such aswww.cjoint.comwhere
you can do this.

Blair


Yes, I was planning to do this anyway, but did not have the images
with me.
So, I uploaded a 300 DPI (100 KB) image he
http://www.greekrepository.com/inver...erted-0300.jpg
and a 1200 DPI (1MB) one he
http://www.greekrepository.com/inver...erted-1200.jpg

I have already admitted not being particularly educated in PNCs, but
have been collecting stamps for 20 years and this is one that drives
me crazy! Here is why: "inverted" or "not inverted" can only be used
for describing the orientation of an element relative to the picture
on the stamp. Accordingly, you only get inverted variations for
elements that are printed sperately (on a different step) than the
rest of the pictu this is why you have a lot of such errors in
overprints, etc.
However, AFAIK, plate numbers are fixed on the plate (that's the idea,
after all, right?) and they are printed on the same step with the rest
of the picture. So, how can the plate number be inverted?!?! Is there
any info about the plate numbers being added before or after the
printing of the rest of the stamp?

Anyway, as stated, any info is welcome

I believe that's a T not a 1 - I seem to recall this as a plate # for some
coils.

Scott



Indeed. If is was an inverted 1 then the 'serif' is also pointing in the
wrong direction. So, if is a 1, it is not only inverted but also
vertically mirrored. Although I am not an expert on American Coil
stamps, I think the T is more acceptable. Sorry.

Sir Hystrix

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Scott wrote:
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On Jan 31, 2:27 pm, "Blair (TC)" wrote:
On Jan 31, 6:09 am, wrote:



Hi,
I hope this question is not extremely lame - if it is, please forgive
me: I'm really new to PNCs.
Anyway, a small collection of PNCs ended up in my hands a few days
ago. Upon checking the stamps I noticed that one of them (Scott number
2115) has the plate number ("1") inverted. This variation is not
mentioned in the Scott US Specialized 2006 catalog and I have not been
able to find anything about it after searching the web.
Does anybody know anything about this variation? Is it a common or
rare one? Any info will be greatly appreciated.
Best regards,
Ditman
I have not heard of any such inverts on plate numbers.

Could you post a hi-resolution scan of the stamp online for us to
see?
There are a number of free services , such aswww.cjoint.comwhere
you can do this.

Blair


Yes, I was planning to do this anyway, but did not have the images
with me.
So, I uploaded a 300 DPI (100 KB) image he
http://www.greekrepository.com/inver...erted-0300.jpg
and a 1200 DPI (1MB) one he
http://www.greekrepository.com/inver...erted-1200.jpg

I have already admitted not being particularly educated in PNCs, but
have been collecting stamps for 20 years and this is one that drives
me crazy! Here is why: "inverted" or "not inverted" can only be used
for describing the orientation of an element relative to the picture
on the stamp. Accordingly, you only get inverted variations for
elements that are printed sperately (on a different step) than the
rest of the pictu this is why you have a lot of such errors in
overprints, etc.
However, AFAIK, plate numbers are fixed on the plate (that's the idea,
after all, right?) and they are printed on the same step with the rest
of the picture. So, how can the plate number be inverted?!?! Is there
any info about the plate numbers being added before or after the
printing of the rest of the stamp?

Anyway, as stated, any info is welcome

I believe that's a T not a 1 - I seem to recall this as a plate # for
some coils.

Scott

Indeed. If is was an inverted 1 then the 'serif' is also pointing in the
wrong direction. So, if is a 1, it is not only inverted but also
vertically mirrored. Although I am not an expert on American Coil stamps,
I think the T is more acceptable. Sorry.

Sir Hystrix

It's Scott #2115b - the T is for Test coil, here's one on ebay lot
300144208365.

Scott

On Jan 31, 9:51 am, wrote:
On Jan 31, 2:27 pm, "Blair (TC)" wrote:



On Jan 31, 6:09 am, wrote:

Hi,

I hope this question is not extremely lame - if it is, please forgive
me: I'm really new to PNCs.

Anyway, a small collection of PNCs ended up in my hands a few days
ago. Upon checking the stamps I noticed that one of them (Scott number
2115) has the plate number ("1") inverted. This variation is not
mentioned in the Scott US Specialized 2006 catalog and I have not been
able to find anything about it after searching the web.

Does anybody know anything about this variation? Is it a common or
rare one? Any info will be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

Ditman

I have not heard of any such inverts on plate numbers.

Could you post a hi-resolution scan of the stamp online for us to
see?
There are a number of free services , such aswww.cjoint.comwhere
you can do this.

Blair

Yes, I was planning to do this anyway, but did not have the images
with me.
So, I uploaded a 300 DPI (100 KB) image hehttp://www.greekrepository.com/inver...erted-0300.jpg
and a 1200 DPI (1MB) one hehttp://www.greekrepository.com/inver...erted-1200.jpg

I have already admitted not being particularly educated in PNCs, but
have been collecting stamps for 20 years and this is one that drives
me crazy! Here is why: "inverted" or "not inverted" can only be used
for describing the orientation of an element relative to the picture
on the stamp. Accordingly, you only get inverted variations for
elements that are printed sperately (on a different step) than the
rest of the pictu this is why you have a lot of such errors in
overprints, etc.
However, AFAIK, plate numbers are fixed on the plate (that's the idea,
after all, right?) and they are printed on the same step with the rest
of the picture. So, how can the plate number be inverted?!?! Is there
any info about the plate numbers being added before or after the
printing of the rest of the stamp?

Anyway, as stated, any info is welcome

Your #2115 seems to have more violet a colour than other #2115 s
that I have seen.
http://rsb.riche.net/apnc/uspnc2115p7.jpg (plate 7)
http://rsb.riche.net/apnc/uspnc2115p1.jpg (plate 1)
http://www.malack.com/auct/n5098.jpg (more plate 1)

Could yours be from a test print (plate T ?)

Blair

On Jan 31, 9:51*am, wrote:
On Jan 31, 2:27 pm, "Blair (TC)" wrote:

On Jan 31, 6:09 am, wrote:

Hi,

I hope this question is not extremely lame - if it is, please forgive
me: I'm really new to PNCs.

Anyway, a small collection of PNCs ended up in my hands a few days
ago. Upon checking the stamps I noticed that one of them (Scott number
2115) has the plate number ("1") inverted. This variation is not
mentioned in the Scott US Specialized 2006 catalog and I have not been
able to find anything about it after searching the web.

Does anybody know anything about this variation? Is it a common or
rare one? Any info will be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

Ditman

I have not heard of any such inverts on plate numbers.

Could you post a hi-resolution scan of the stamp online for us to
see?
There are a number of free services , such aswww.cjoint.comwhere
you can do this.

Blair

Yes, I was planning to do this anyway, but did not have the images
with me.
So, I uploaded a 300 DPI (100 KB) image hehttp://www.greekrepository.com/inver...erted-0300.jpg
and a 1200 DPI (1MB) one hehttp://www.greekrepository.com/inver...erted-1200.jpg

I have already admitted not being particularly educated in PNCs, but
have been collecting stamps for 20 years and this is one that drives
me crazy! Here is why: "inverted" or "not inverted" can only be used
for describing the orientation of an element relative to the picture
on the stamp. Accordingly, you only get inverted variations for
elements that are printed sperately (on a different step) than the
rest of the pictu this is why you have a lot of such errors in
overprints, etc.
However, AFAIK, plate numbers are fixed on the plate (that's the idea,
after all, right?) and they are printed on the same step with the rest
of the picture. So, how can the plate number be inverted?!?! Is there
any info about the plate numbers being added before or after the
printing of the rest of the stamp?

Anyway, as stated, any info is welcome

HI
The "T" inscribed at the bottom of scott 2115 is listed as scott
2115c issued may 23, 1987.
Art