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Old September 4th 04, 07:59 PM
Larry W
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Default ROBERT CHAMBER Solution?

"Mike Kirouac" wrote in message
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New to this. I've watch the show and compared prices to the current Red
Book. And it does not seem like good deals. But he talks about the latest
catalogs and says they are a good deal.

Is he full of BS or is it a fair deal?

Mike


We need to understand that the bulk of SAH customers are those that don't
want to take the time to "shop around," let alone research what are truly
"honest values." Coupled together with the compulsive buying factor, many of
those that don't have time to research and compare, also don't have the time
to go through the hassle of repackaging and driving across town to UPS
terminal to return and item that they little about or find it isn't "too"
disappointing. SAH customers are paying dearly for this lazy boy chair
convenience. Lots of people have the disposable income to satisfy these
instant whims.

I stopped counting at 12 the blatant lies I caught ROBERT CHAMBERS in. Also
I stopped confronting with him with email after sending him 3 that he never
responded to.

The best thing to do is listen and DOCUMENT EVERYTHING CAREFULLY. We could
even act together collectively and form a new newsgroup for that specific
purouse. A good old VCR and copies of email complaints you send are an
important tool when presenting genuine compaints of fraud and
misrepresentation to you state Attorney General. If ay state orders SAH to
stop operations in that state, I'll bet SAH and ROBERT CHAMBERS.

Larry



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Old September 4th 04, 10:09 PM
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I just know I'm going to get blasted for this, but:

Robert does a pretty good job of getting close to lying w/o techinically
lying. Or if he lies, it's the standard politician's way way of lying: 'to
intentionally mislead or leave a wrong impression', def no. 2 in my
Websters. This is no different from any attack ad you see from *either* of
the political parties' advocates (e.g., 'I'm a swift boat veteran and I
served with John Kerry' ... while that statement is technically correct, it
turns out 'served with' simply means 'was somewhere in Vietnam at the same
time and never even saw the guy.') If we are going to go after people for
lying, I'd rather we go after those ()*$)() political hacks who feed that
crap to the ignorant, who then eat it up.

Chambers is a great salesman, and that's it. He's as American as apple pie.
If he can sell a thing for twice what it's worth, well ... that's good
capitalism. In the big scheme of things, he's much more honest than many of
the spin doctors we see on TV or hear on radio. Think Rush Limbaugh --
let's get that fat liar outta here -- or Sean Hannity. Or Al Franken. They
do a hell of a lot more damage to this country, and lie more blatantly, than
does Mr. Chambers with his over-priced coins.

Chambers likes to compare his prices to 'The Leading Numismatic Catalogue.'
The truth is, that Littleton catalogue he shows does have the prices he
claims, and probably is indeed the 'leading numismatic catalogue.' He often
uses the fact that low value coins -- VG walkers, for exmple -- are indeed
listed w/ a substantial premium in most catalogues, but only because it is a
pain in the neck to have to keep that common stuff around. Thus the
oft-mentioned and in me, fear-inducing 'numismatic avalanche' (Ouch! That
would hurt!)

I for one would miss the show if it were gone (though I've never bought
anything from it). Plus I have a thing for Julie Tello. It's her voice.

I think sometimes we don't give people enough credit. I remember that when
I discovered that my first big purchase -- an 1880-s Morgan graded by ACG as
MS-67 -- was not really MS-67, I felt like a fool. But rather than leave
the hobby, I knuckled down and learned something about it, and I have since
done quite well.

I suspect many people are being brought into the hobby by Chambers and that
most of them eventually wise up and purchase their coins elsewhere. His
show is a net plus, in terms of adding collectors. Heck, I think it is a
HUGE plus. I can think of no other way that coin collecting can get such
wide publicity and reach such a large market.

Bob is OK in my book.

Lying politicos are not OK, nor are the fools who believe them.

--Keith


"Larry W" wrote in message
...
"Mike Kirouac" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
New to this. I've watch the show and compared prices to the current Red
Book. And it does not seem like good deals. But he talks about the

latest
catalogs and says they are a good deal.

Is he full of BS or is it a fair deal?

Mike


We need to understand that the bulk of SAH customers are those that don't
want to take the time to "shop around," let alone research what are truly
"honest values." Coupled together with the compulsive buying factor, many

of
those that don't have time to research and compare, also don't have the

time
to go through the hassle of repackaging and driving across town to UPS
terminal to return and item that they little about or find it isn't "too"
disappointing. SAH customers are paying dearly for this lazy boy chair
convenience. Lots of people have the disposable income to satisfy these
instant whims.

I stopped counting at 12 the blatant lies I caught ROBERT CHAMBERS in.

Also
I stopped confronting with him with email after sending him 3 that he

never
responded to.

The best thing to do is listen and DOCUMENT EVERYTHING CAREFULLY. We could
even act together collectively and form a new newsgroup for that specific
purouse. A good old VCR and copies of email complaints you send are an
important tool when presenting genuine compaints of fraud and
misrepresentation to you state Attorney General. If ay state orders SAH to
stop operations in that state, I'll bet SAH and ROBERT CHAMBERS.

Larry





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Old September 4th 04, 10:16 PM
JOPN
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What are you smoking this afternoon?
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Old September 4th 04, 10:22 PM
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In article ,
(JOPN) wrote:

What are you smoking this afternoon?


Who are you talking to? What you see above is the entire contents of
your message.
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Old September 5th 04, 06:19 AM
Keith Fletcher
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I guess that was kind of an incoherent rant, wasn't it? I do that when I'm
working too much.

--K

"JOPN" wrote in message
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What are you smoking this afternoon?



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Old September 5th 04, 10:58 AM
Larry W
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In my book he's okay too - assuming he is pushing my goods!

LAR
"Keith Fletcher" wrote in message
.. .
I just know I'm going to get blasted for this, but:

Bob is OK in my book.

--Keith



"Larry W" wrote in message
...
"Mike Kirouac" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
New to this. I've watch the show and compared prices to the current

Red
Book. And it does not seem like good deals. But he talks about the

latest
catalogs and says they are a good deal.

Is he full of BS or is it a fair deal?

Mike


We need to understand that the bulk of SAH customers are those that

don't
want to take the time to "shop around," let alone research MBERS.

Larry







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Old September 6th 04, 03:24 PM
Jerry Dennis
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"Keith Fletcher" writes:

I just know I'm going to get blasted for this, but:


Not from me. :-)

Robert does a pretty good job of getting close to lying w/o techinically
lying. Or if he lies, it's the standard politician's way way of lying: 'to
intentionally mislead or leave a wrong impression', def no. 2 in my
Websters. This is no different from any attack ad you see from *either* of
the political parties' advocates (e.g., 'I'm a swift boat veteran and I
served with John Kerry' ... while that statement is technically correct, it
turns out 'served with' simply means 'was somewhere in Vietnam at the same
time and never even saw the guy.') If we are going to go after people for
lying, I'd rather we go after those ()*$)() political hacks who feed that
crap to the ignorant, who then eat it up.

Chambers is a great salesman, and that's it. He's as American as apple pie.
If he can sell a thing for twice what it's worth, well ... that's good
capitalism. In the big scheme of things, he's much more honest than many of
the spin doctors we see on TV or hear on radio. Think Rush Limbaugh --
let's get that fat liar outta here -- or Sean Hannity. Or Al Franken. They
do a hell of a lot more damage to this country, and lie more blatantly, than
does Mr. Chambers with his over-priced coins.


I was going to flame a little here, but Keith plays no favorites (everybody
from ultra-liberals to ultra-conservatives lies in the political arena). I
wouldn't necessarily say Robert lies as much as stretches the truth.

Chambers likes to compare his prices to 'The Leading Numismatic Catalogue.'
The truth is, that Littleton catalogue he shows does have the prices he
claims, and probably is indeed the 'leading numismatic catalogue.' He often
uses the fact that low value coins -- VG walkers, for exmple -- are indeed
listed w/ a substantial premium in most catalogues, but only because it is a
pain in the neck to have to keep that common stuff around. Thus the
oft-mentioned and in me, fear-inducing 'numismatic avalanche' (Ouch! That
would hurt!)


One thing he and Paul are pushing this weekend is bulk silver, "Full 16-ounce
pounds." What they never mention is, are you getting 16 ounces of coins per
pound or 16 ounces of silver (which would be a little more than 16 ounces of
coins).

I for one would miss the show if it were gone (though I've never bought
anything from it).


I watch mostly to see what's out there. If it weren't for Coin Vault, I'd
never have known about the "This old man hoarded everything he could get his
hands on and we bought it cheap and are passing the savings on to you."
They've got some nice Morgans up this weekend, but way over-priced. Still,
it's nice to see MS Morgans (and Peace dollars, for that matter) that aren't
bag marked.

Plus I have a thing for Julie Tello. It's her voice.


And this is "Manly Man Weekend" on [email protected] So where are the babes? :-)

I think sometimes we don't give people enough credit. I remember that when
I discovered that my first big purchase -- an 1880-s Morgan graded by ACG as
MS-67 -- was not really MS-67, I felt like a fool. But rather than leave
the hobby, I knuckled down and learned something about it, and I have since
done quite well.


One thing I suspect is that some would-be collectors are watching, realizing
they can't afford some of the stuff they want (even with the "stretch pay"
option), go to their local coin dealer or online auction site, and see that
they could get what they wanted for less.

I suspect many people are being brought into the hobby by Chambers and that
most of them eventually wise up and purchase their coins elsewhere. His
show is a net plus, in terms of adding collectors. Heck, I think it is a
HUGE plus. I can think of no other way that coin collecting can get such
wide publicity and reach such a large market.

Bob is OK in my book.


Agree.

Lying politicos are not OK, nor are the fools who believe them.

--Keith


Jerry
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Old September 6th 04, 07:17 PM
JSTONE9352
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I suspect many people are being brought into the hobby by Chambers and that
most of them eventually wise up and purchase their coins elsewhere. His
show is a net plus, in terms of adding collectors. Heck, I think it is a
HUGE plus. I can think of no other way that coin collecting can get such
wide publicity and reach such a large market.

Bob is OK in my book.


Agree.


Disagreed. When people find
out they paid too much I doubt
many are going to say "gee, what
a great hobby, I want more of this".








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Old September 6th 04, 11:00 PM
phil
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The show is on often enough for people to see it and maybe do a little
research around town or the web,etc.Hopefully most will not beleive
everything they see on there.
I did watch some of it,but I became 'armweary' after a while.
phil
(gail!I need another roll!)

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1 in 166 children have an autism spectrum disorder.
"JSTONE9352" wrote in message
...

I suspect many people are being brought into the hobby by Chambers and

that
most of them eventually wise up and purchase their coins elsewhere. His
show is a net plus, in terms of adding collectors. Heck, I think it is

a
HUGE plus. I can think of no other way that coin collecting can get

such
wide publicity and reach such a large market.

Bob is OK in my book.


Agree.


Disagreed. When people find
out they paid too much I doubt
many are going to say "gee, what
a great hobby, I want more of this".










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Old September 7th 04, 05:25 AM
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Just for giggles again tonight was watching our favorite TV coins guys selling
2004 Silver Proof Sets for $89.95 plus $4.95 shipping. Just a little over 2
times what you can order them for from the mint. OK, do you buy them for $37.95
from the mint, or $90+ from HSN? You can get 2 silver proof sets and 1 mint set
from the mint for the price of one from Mr Chambers. Let me think about
this....
 




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