Questions from kilowa Danish perfins, Ivory Coast postalstationary, etc...

OK, a roundup of questions from kiloware that I just sorted:

1. http://cjoint.com/?mtfg5ypcWY

This piece of paper has the same design as a Cote d'Ivoire stamp -- it
was identified as the stamp itself by the (inept) kiloware dealer.
However, it is imperf, ungummed, on roughly 20# stock, and clearly cut
with scissors. I think it's a cut square from Ivory Coast postal
stationary -- or maybe just from advertising material. Can anyone
verify, and anyone have a catalogue number (from anywhere?)

2. http://cjoint.com/data/mtfjjL8X3b.htm

Is this is registration handstamp?

3. http://cjoint.com/data/mtfjO0tVzv.htm

Can anyone identify this perfin on a 1920s Danish definitive?

4. http://cjoint.com/data/mtfkzEThPp.htm

Scott identifies the standard perf gauge for this issue as "15x14".
It then says that this stamp perforated "15 horiz." is worth much
money. What? This stamp is indeed perf 15 horizontally, but I'm sure
I didn't just find a $1,500 stamp in kiloware. When Scott is listing
the expensive variety as "15 horiz.", what is it meant to say?

5. http://cjoint.com/data/mtfmyjzpov.htm

Are these CTO?

6. A used copy, in Scott, is worth far more than an unused copy, and
used copies are italicized. I am extremely suspicious of this crisp
cancellation. Anyone?

Thanks,

--
Joshua McGee, Los Angeles, California, USA
Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, AFDCS, MBPC, MCC, BPS
President: http://www.penguinstamps.org
Trade?: http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/

On Dec 18, 7:28*pm, Joshua McGee wrote:
6. A used copy, in Scott, is worth far more than an unused copy, and
used copies are italicized. *I am extremely suspicious of this crisp
cancellation. *Anyone?

Sorry, forgot the image for this one:

http://cjoint.com/data/mtfmXnpt5j.htm

--
Joshua McGee, Los Angeles, California, USA
Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, AFDCS, MBPC, MCC, BPS
President:http://www.penguinstamps.org
Trade?:http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/

"Joshua McGee"
This piece of paper has the same design as a Cote d'Ivoire stamp -- it
was identified as the stamp itself by the (inept) kiloware dealer.

I'd agree with the dealer, SG715 Ivory coast [imperf]


2. http://cjoint.com/data/mtfjjL8X3b.htm
Is this is registration handstamp?

yes

3. http://cjoint.com/data/mtfjO0tVzv.htm
Can anyone identify this perfin on a 1920s Danish definitive?

Have one in my collection [G.B.] but have not been able to
find an ID over last 5 years.




5. http://cjoint.com/data/mtfmyjzpov.htm
Are these CTO?

Yes (a guess)


6. A used copy, in Scott, is worth far more than an unused copy, and
used copies are italicized. I am extremely suspicious of this crisp
cancellation. Anyone?

Looks bona fide to me.

On Dec 18, 8:15*pm, "rodney" wrote:
This piece of paper has the same design as a Cote d'Ivoire stamp -- it
was identified as the stamp itself by the (inept) kiloware dealer.

I'd agree with the dealer, SG715 *Ivory coast [imperf]

I don't have Scott in front of me, but this piece of paper is ungummed
and about the thickness of thin Xerox paper. This is very surprising
to me for a stamp.

Does SG list this stamp as coming both perf and imperf, or imperf
only?

Thanks for the other answers....

--
Joshua McGee, Los Angeles, California, USA
Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, AFDCS, MBPC, MCC, BPS
President: http://www.penguinstamps.org
Trade?: http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/

The stamp in question (Scott 68b) is a coil. Here's my copy
http://www.jaypex.com/Ireland/coil.jpg.

The Yahoo 'eirestamps' group has scans of 15 more in their Photos
section, but you have to be a member to view them.

Here's a very informative post by Tony Cassidy regarding this
stamp, known to Irish collectors as the "rare coil":

Hi everyone
This is a quick reply - there are no simple replies on this subject.

Some years ago Richard Luettiken of the FAI (basically the German Society for
Irish Philately) started a survey on the Rare 2 pence coil in used form. This
was printed in Die Harfe (The Harp) the quarterly journal of the FAI.

As I had developed a major interest in this stamp since finding it in a bag of
1930s kiloware (cost of bag 3 pounds stirling = 6 US Dollars at today's rate -
but that is another story!!) I made contact with Richard and together we
attempted to get somewhere near the number of genuine used copies. Some
members of this group may remember me requesting details of copies from
members of the EPA, IPC & FAI groups. What was important was that I was
recording photographic proof (photocopies)

Suffice to say that we started about 8-10 years ago with the then generally
held premise of there being approx 50, maybe 60 used copies. Some 4 or 5
years down the line we stopped, partly because the project was getting too big
and partly because we had reached a figure of photographically-proofed
individual copies that far, far, far exceeded the previously assumed total.
My / our fear was that we might dramatically collapse the market for this
particular stamp if our figures were released. For this reason I shelved the
project (many thanks to all who contributed)

However last summer I was in the company of a major Irish philatelic
auctioneer in Dublin and his words were basically "You must go ahead with
this. Don't worry about the market price. Don't forget that it is the
ultimate aim of almost every collector of Irish stamps to have this in his
collection. There are a lot more than 1000 serious collectors around the
world. The market will sort itself out. It will still be a valuable and very
valued stamp."

Since then personal and family time & health constraints have meant no return
to the project. Hopefully, next Autumn. Until then my copy together most of
my notes have been securely locked away off-site, so I am sorry to say - no
correspondence. However if any members of this group would care to send
details with photographic proof via this group,or direct on avcassennis@... I
promise to file them away securely and incorporate them when I re-start the
exercise. I will supply previous history of that stamp if known.

Answering the current questions:
Are there known mint copies: Yes, probably at least 40 (that will shock a
few!!!)

Are there multiples (1): Yes strip of 4 or 5 mint no gum is probably the
biggest

Are there multiples (2): Yes 2 or 3 copies of used pairs

Any on cover (1): Yes the first example was sent to the mother of a young
Michael Leonard who went on to be President of the IPC - Irish Philatelic
Circle. Unfortunately Michael cut the stamp and slogan cancel off the
envelope so that it would fit the space on his album page!!

Any on cover (2): Yes, about 15 or 20 years ago, Ian Whyte, since retired from
stamp dealing and auctioneering but then with David MacDonnell the leading
figure in Dublin, showed me a copy on cover that had been found in the back of
a collection that had, I believe, been sent for valuation and sale. It was
quickly sold privately - but to whom?

So how many copies of the Rare 2 pence coil in used condition are there?. I
won't say, but there is a good clue in my notes above . Be prepared to be
shocked. !!

Finally, if the Rare 2 pence coil in used condition is more common than
thought, is there a rarer Irish stamp in used condition - rare overprints and
specialised (missing colour, inverted watermark, etc) excepted. YES and
the clue has also been given in the correspondence just before mine.

Best regards Tony

Jay Carrigan see web site for email address
www.jaypex.com

In article ,
says...
....

4. http://cjoint.com/data/mtfkzEThPp.htm

Scott identifies the standard perf gauge for this issue as "15x14".
It then says that this stamp perforated "15 horiz." is worth much
money. What? This stamp is indeed perf 15 horizontally, but I'm sure
I didn't just find a $1,500 stamp in kiloware. When Scott is listing
the expensive variety as "15 horiz.", what is it meant to say?

On Dec 18, 10:43*pm, (Jay T. Carrigan) wrote:
Here's a very informative post by Tony Cassidy regarding this
stamp, known to Irish collectors as the "rare coil":

Do you know the perf of this stamp, horizontally and vertically?

- Joshua McGee

My answer is a calculated guess Joshua.
It fits well under the "dubious" issues that appear in a broad spectrum
of countries which have genuine or otherwise imperf copies of issues.
I only have SG simplified, so perforations are not always listed.

Diana comes in several styles of what I all "appendix stamps"
There is one style that she adorns across
Afghanistan / Benin (Dahomey) / Cambodia / Cuba / and Somalia.

Others in the "painted" style of yours, come from the dune states
and Equatorial Guinea, where imperf and ungummed labels proliferate.
I have seen a very similar stamp somewhere but I couldn't locate it quickly.
I looked in Ajman / Sharjah / Yemen Royalist / Upper Volta without luck.


"Joshua McGee" wrote in message
...
On Dec 18, 8:15 pm, "rodney" wrote:
This piece of paper has the same design as a Cote d'Ivoire stamp -- it
was identified as the stamp itself by the (inept) kiloware dealer.

I'd agree with the dealer, SG715 Ivory coast [imperf]

I don't have Scott in front of me, but this piece of paper is ungummed
and about the thickness of thin Xerox paper. This is very surprising
to me for a stamp.

Does SG list this stamp as coming both perf and imperf, or imperf
only?

Thanks for the other answers....

--
Joshua McGee, Los Angeles, California, USA
Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, AFDCS, MBPC, MCC, BPS
President: http://www.penguinstamps.org
Trade?: http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:35:43 -0800 (PST), Joshua McGee
wrote:

On Dec 18, 7:28*pm, Joshua McGee wrote:
6. A used copy, in Scott, is worth far more than an unused copy, and
used copies are italicized. *I am extremely suspicious of this crisp
cancellation. *Anyone?

Sorry, forgot the image for this one:

http://cjoint.com/data/mtfmXnpt5j.htm

There's nothing special about this stamp, very common, except, check
the watermark (if you can see it), inverted watermarks are rare.


--
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd. http://www.sandrila.co.uk/

On Dec 19, 2:28 pm, Joshua McGee wrote:
OK, a roundup of questions from kiloware that I just sorted:

1.http://cjoint.com/?mtfg5ypcWY

This piece of paper has the same design as a Cote d'Ivoire stamp -- it
was identified as the stamp itself by the (inept) kiloware dealer.
However, it is imperf, ungummed, on roughly 20# stock, and clearly cut
with scissors. I think it's a cut square from Ivory Coast postal
stationary -- or maybe just from advertising material. Can anyone
verify, and anyone have a catalogue number (from anywhere?)

Not my area at all, but ... I gather that a number of postal
forgeries, or varying quality, have emerged from Nigeria over recent
years - particularly on Nigerian scam letters. I wonder if the
contagion might have spread to the Cote d'Ivoire.

4.http://cjoint.com/data/mtfkzEThPp.htm

Scott identifies the standard perf gauge for this issue as "15x14".
It then says that this stamp perforated "15 horiz." is worth much
money. What? This stamp is indeed perf 15 horizontally, but I'm sure
I didn't just find a $1,500 stamp in kiloware. When Scott is listing
the expensive variety as "15 horiz.", what is it meant to say?

Gibbons notes that the rare stamp is perf 15 x imperf. Yours is perf
all around, so is presumably SG 74, catalogued at 10p used.

Tony

On 19 Dec, 07:43, (Jay T. Carrigan) wrote:
The stamp in question (Scott 68b) is a coil. *Here's my copy
http://www.jaypex.com/Ireland/coil.jpg.

The Yahoo 'eirestamps' group has scans of 15 more in their Photos
section, but you have to be a member to view them.

Here's a very informative post by Tony Cassidy regarding this
stamp, known to Irish collectors as the "rare coil":

Hi everyone
This is a quick reply - there are no simple replies on this subject.

Some years ago Richard Luettiken of the FAI (basically the German Society for
Irish Philately) started a survey on the Rare 2 pence coil in used form. This
was printed in Die Harfe (The Harp) the quarterly journal of the FAI. *

As I had developed a major interest in this stamp since finding it in a bag of
1930s kiloware (cost of bag 3 pounds stirling = 6 US Dollars at today's rate -
but that is another story!!) I made contact with Richard and together we
attempted to get somewhere near the number of genuine used copies. *Some
members of this group may remember me requesting details of copies from
members of the EPA, IPC & FAI groups. What was important was that I was
recording photographic proof (photocopies)

Suffice to say that we started about 8-10 years ago with the then generally
held premise of there being approx 50, maybe 60 used copies. *Some 4 or 5
years down the line we stopped, partly because the project was getting too big
and partly because we had reached a figure of photographically-proofed
individual copies that far, far, far *exceeded the previously assumed total. *
My / our fear was that we might dramatically collapse the market for this
particular stamp if our figures were released. For this reason I shelved the
project (many thanks to all who contributed)

However last summer I was in the company of a major Irish philatelic
auctioneer in Dublin and his words were basically "You must go ahead with
this. Don't worry about the market price. Don't *forget that it is the
ultimate aim of almost every collector of Irish stamps to have this in his
collection. There are a lot more than 1000 serious collectors around the
world. *The market will sort itself out. *It will still be a valuable and very
valued stamp."

Since then personal and family time & health constraints have meant no return *
to the project. *Hopefully, next Autumn. * Until then my copy together most of
my notes have been securely locked away off-site, so I am sorry to say - no
correspondence. *However if any members of this group would care to send
details with photographic proof via this group,or direct on avcassennis@.... I
promise to file them away securely and incorporate them when I re-start the
exercise. I will supply previous history of that stamp if known.

Answering the current questions:
Are there known mint copies: *Yes, probably at least 40 *(that will shock a
few!!!)

Are there multiples (1): *Yes strip of 4 or 5 mint no gum is probably the
biggest

Are there multiples (2): Yes 2 or 3 copies of used pairs

Any on cover (1): *Yes the first example was sent to the mother of a young
Michael Leonard who went on to be President of the IPC - Irish Philatelic
Circle. *Unfortunately Michael cut the stamp and slogan cancel off the
envelope so that it would fit the space on his album page!!

Any on cover (2): Yes, about 15 or 20 years ago, Ian Whyte, since retired from
stamp dealing and auctioneering but then with David MacDonnell the leading
figure in Dublin, showed me a copy on cover that had been found in the back of
a collection that had, I believe, been sent for valuation and sale. *It was
quickly sold privately - but to whom?

So how many copies of the Rare 2 pence coil in used condition are there?. *I
won't say, but there is a good clue in my notes above . *Be prepared to be
shocked. !!

Finally, if the Rare 2 pence coil in used condition is more common than
thought, is there a rarer Irish stamp in used condition *- rare overprints and
specialised (missing colour, inverted watermark, etc) excepted. * * YES and
the clue has also been given in the correspondence just before mine.

Best regards Tony *

* * *Jay Carrigan * * * * *see web site for email address
* * *www.jaypex.com

In article ,
says...
...



4.http://cjoint.com/data/mtfkzEThPp.htm

Scott identifies the standard perf gauge for this issue as "15x14".
It then says that this stamp perforated "15 horiz." is worth much
money. *What? *This stamp is indeed perf 15 horizontally, but I'm sure
I didn't just find a $1,500 stamp in kiloware. *When Scott is listing
the expensive variety as "15 horiz.", what is it meant to say?

I'll just add that there are 2 varieties of the valuable p15ximperf:
one (SG72c) is completely imperf vertically, the other (SG72a) has a
single perf at the top corner of the vertical and is worth even more.

There's lots of fun in sorting Irish kilowa-

The watermark changed from "s" inside "e" to plain "e" in 1940, when
the 1922 defin set was reprinted, so the early defins come with both.

The plain "e" comes in different sizes, from 8 to 10mm high.

Both 1922 and 1940 defins, and some other stamps, come in inverted
watermark or even inverted/reversed varieties with significantly
higher CVs. They are not that uncommon in kiloware, though it's often
difficult to be sure where the open bit of the "e" is.

Life didn't get any easier with the later defins, where there are a
multiplicity of WMs, perfs, and paper types.

SG Commonwealth was expanded somewhen between the 1997 and 2002
editions in front of me to include the above varieties and others, so
if you have an early one...

Chris