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On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:11:05 -0400, "Bruce Remick"
wrote: I never use hundred dollar bills to go shopping. First, I'd have to go to a bank just to get some. Waste of gas nowadays. Second, I simply prefer to write a check or use a credit card for higher dollar purchases. Both cost me nothing because my checking acct is free and I zero out any charges on my next statement. In over forty years of doing this, I've never had a problem with evil high schoolers, foreign hackers, identity thieves, etc., but I have been robbed of my cash several times. Fine. No one's _forcing_ you to use cash. And this is really point of the thread: people are being _forced_ into using one option only. By their government. Explanation acknowledged. I certainly don't agree with the radical logic for essentially eliminating all paper money in the original article. I also didn't realize there was so much drug trafficking, gambling, and blackmail in Norway. Nor I. Sounds like they need to work on that problem, rather than limiting the freedoms of law abiding Norwegians. But then I've only seen Norway as a business/tourist. Alas, I've never been there except in the pages of old sagas! And there was some kind of brewery strike at the time, making my visit all the more sobering. (: Padraic. Bruce la cieurgeourea provoer mal trasfu ast meiyoer ke 'l andrext ben trasfu. |
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Cash is the goal and medium for everything from drug trafficking, to gambling to blackmail, Woxholt said... nothing like the government punishing everyone for the actions of a few. i wonder if these people are the folks behind the "security" frisking when you leave major chain retail stores ... |
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Padraic Brown wrote:
Cultural difference. Most Americans would be horrified at the notion of government making life more difficult. Woxholt represents everything America isn't, summed up in two sentences: "You (Norwegian people) are incapable and undeserving of personal liberty. We (Norwegian government) shall make sure you have none." What an ass indeed! Gee, I had no idea that it is some Norwegians who are responsible for the recent restrictions of personal liberty in the US g. That may also explain how a "Business Security Council" in Norway has magically turned into the "Norwegian government" ... Basically I agree - eliminating such a high (well, medium ...) value note does not prevent crimes that a few people use such notes for. However, not everything that some organization suggests in the name of fighting against drug trafficking, terrorism, etc. does automatically become law. Not in America, and not in Europe either. Christian |
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Padraic Brown wrote:
Um -- I think there's some misunderstanding here? Indeed. Contrary to what you wrote, this Norwegian Business Security Council (NSR) is not "the government". Actually I tried to point at two different things in one short reply. Maybe that wasn't such a good idea g. First, the personal liberty of citizens and non-citizens has been limited in democratic socities in America and Europe (and elsewhere) in the recent past. So suggesting "security measures" that a few years ago would have been rejected tout de suite falls on more fertile ground these days. Certainly not just on this side of the Pond. However, even an influential association (Mr Woxholt works for the Oslo police dept. AFAIK) does not make the law in Norway ... Christian |
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Padraic Brown wrote:
What does this have to do with personal liberties in the US? From your message that I replied to: | Most Americans would be horrified at the notion of government making | life more difficult. Woxholt represents everything America isn't, | summed up in two sentences: "You (Norwegian people) are incapable and | undeserving of personal liberty. We (Norwegian government) shall make | sure you have none." That sounded very much like "restriction of personal liberties is something that happens elsewhere, not in the US". Hence my tongue-in-cheek remark about Norwegians being responsible for restrictions of personal liberty in the US, e.g. when it comes to fighting terrorism or organized crime. (Now which restrictions are necessary these days, and which will rather defeat the purpose of protecting a democratic society, is an issue that is currently debated in many countries. These two groups are IMO not the right place for such a debate; I just find it surprising when people believe their country is exempt from it.) Thank you for clarifying that it is not the "Norwegian governemnt" -- the fact remains that Norwegian liberties would be curtailed. True. Heh, they could use 500 euro notes instead - over here hardly anybody needs them g. Christian |
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