how about an opinion on this coin please

what do you guys think of this coin? it seems to have a big fingerprint on
the reverse and yet is in a pcgs 65 holder. the color also does not seem
right. i love 1933 coins, but this one seems not quite right. is it just
me?

crownliner

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The spot above the 'E' in ONE irks me.

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 05:11:00 GMT, "Crownliner" wrote:

what do you guys think of this coin? it seems to have a big fingerprint on
the reverse and yet is in a pcgs 65 holder. the color also does not seem
right. i love 1933 coins, but this one seems not quite right. is it just
me?

crownliner

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=11 944


This seller is a well known liquidator of PCGS dogs, and yes there are dogs even
in PCGS holders.

PCGS is known not to use gloves when grading coins, and many submitters have
sent a coin in only to get it back and discover fingerprints. This coin is probably
another example, and as most know, fingerprints are impossible to dip off copper,
so somebody likely got screwed on it. It would be interesting to send this coin in
under their guarantee, no MS65 copper should have prints on it.
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http://www.k6az.com/web_pages.htm

"Crownliner" wrote in
news:ED5Lb.780673$Fm2.759426@attbi_s04:

what do you guys think of this coin? it seems to have a big
fingerprint on the reverse and yet is in a pcgs 65 holder. the color
also does not seem right. i love 1933 coins, but this one seems not
quite right. is it just me?

crownliner

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...7073&category=
11944


I'm with you.
Fingerprint obverse and reverse,and luster looks un naturally washed out.
Was likely over-dipped in a failed attempt to remove print,which turned the
print black inside the holder.
The seller has quite an impressive rating,but must know better than to
describe this damage as ' A few scattered microscopic carbon flecks'.

K6AZ wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 05:11:00 GMT, "Crownliner" wrote:

what do you guys think of this coin? it seems to have a big fingerprint on
the reverse and yet is in a pcgs 65 holder. the color also does not seem
right. i love 1933 coins, but this one seems not quite right. is it just
me?

crownliner

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=11 944


This seller is a well known liquidator of PCGS dogs, and yes there are dogs even
in PCGS holders.

PCGS is known not to use gloves when grading coins, and many submitters have
sent a coin in only to get it back and discover fingerprints. This coin is probably
another example, and as most know, fingerprints are impossible to dip off copper,
so somebody likely got screwed on it. It would be interesting to send this coin in
under their guarantee, no MS65 copper should have prints on it.
--

I would be one very unhappy coin collector to have sent this particular
piece away without a fingerprint and have it returned, slabbed, with
those marks. Yuck.

If I owned this coin, fingerprinted, and sent it away to be slabbed, I
would be delighted to get it back with that grade. ;-)

Alan
'sequence is important'

In article ED5Lb.780673$Fm2.759426@attbi_s04, "Crownliner" wrote:
what do you guys think of this coin? it seems to have a big fingerprint on
the reverse and yet is in a pcgs 65 holder. the color also does not seem
right. i love 1933 coins, but this one seems not quite right. is it just
me?

crownliner

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=11 944

MS-65 can be "lightly fingermarked" according to the ANA Standards. I see
fingermarks on both sides. The fingerprints are not black (yet?), so I
guess they can be considered light. There are also blemishes on both sides
and what looks like wear on Lincoln's cheek and jaw. I'd need to see the
actual coin to be sure these were not scanning artifacts. My opinion is
that the combination of the blemishes, the fingermarks and possible trace
wear would drop this coin to an MS-63. If I was in the market for it and
based on this scan, I would bid what a 63 is worth or maybe a little
more if I really wanted a mostly red 1933. The swing between 65 and 63 for
this coin is what? about US$40?

Deven Atkinson
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Penny Lane Numismatic - Categorized Web Links
http://www.bright.net/~deven/pennylane.htm
ANA Member #1197707

I wouldn't pay a premium for any coin with that big of a fingerprint on it.
I just find it ugly.

"Crownliner" wrote in message
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what do you guys think of this coin? it seems to have a big fingerprint
on
the reverse and yet is in a pcgs 65 holder. the color also does not seem
right. i love 1933 coins, but this one seems not quite right. is it just
me?

crownliner


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=11 944

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 00:28:27 -0500, K6AZ wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 05:11:00 GMT, "Crownliner" wrote:

what do you guys think of this coin? it seems to have a big fingerprint on
the reverse and yet is in a pcgs 65 holder. the color also does not seem
right. i love 1933 coins, but this one seems not quite right. is it just
me?

crownliner

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=11 944


This seller is a well known liquidator of PCGS dogs, and yes there are dogs even
in PCGS holders.

PCGS is known not to use gloves when grading coins, and many submitters have
sent a coin in only to get it back and discover fingerprints. This coin is probably
another example, and as most know, fingerprints are impossible to dip off copper,
so somebody likely got screwed on it. It would be interesting to send this coin in
under their guarantee, no MS65 copper should have prints on it.
--
K6AZ WEB PAGES

http://www.k6az.com/web_pages.htm

Does NGC use gloves when grading coins?

Gary

Crownliner wrote:

what do you guys think of this coin? it seems to have a big fingerprint on
the reverse and yet is in a pcgs 65 holder. the color also does not seem
right. i love 1933 coins, but this one seems not quite right. is it just
me?

crownliner

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=11 944



The color looks ok to me. I'm guessing that the thumbprint exposed
itself after the coin was slabbed. Wouldn't PCGS give it an RB due to
the prints?


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In article ED5Lb.780673$Fm2.759426@attbi_s04, "Crownliner"
writes:


what do you guys think of this coin? it seems to have a big fingerprint on
the reverse and yet is in a pcgs 65 holder. the color also does not seem
right. i love 1933 coins, but this one seems not quite right. is it just
me?

crownliner

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=11 944

The coin's ugly, in my opinion. I wouldn't buy it for anything above 60 money
as it shows a very unnatural color (possibly cleaned) and NO premium grade cent
should have carbon and fingermarks on it. PCGS permits light carbon damage on
MS65s which, in my mind, invalidates their grading of most copper...but then
I'm not on the slab worship team, either.

Like most slabbed coins, the purchaser must be aware of proper grading and
accepted standards. Buying any company's slab grade without personally
determining the accuracy of the grade is never a good idea. Paying a premium
for the "non-service" is just plain crazy. Never be afraid to honestly ask
yourself, "What would I pay for this coin if it was raw"?

Dondi3
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