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Letter from Nudo to Russ Forster
After director Russ Forster asked Nudo to stop bootlegging his tapes,
here's the letter that Nudo send back in reply (Russ sent this to me, asked me to share it with you guys): Russ, There is no profit in the movie tape. After ebay listing/commission fees, paypal fees, USPS shipping costs, and the tape and time, that is basically grattice to other trackers. The movie is considered out of print- it is not available anymore commercially, anywhere- to my knowledge. I tried to find it. I ordered a copy from Amazon.com, waited for 2 months, got nothing, then had to work hard to get my money refunded. It ended up, I had to get my credit card to backcharge to get a refund. Just trying to get the movie message out to other trackers. I could not pay a 15 minute Friday night bar tab on the so-called "profits" of that movie. There is none. If you want the movie and its message to die out, that's ok with me. But be aware you are being influenced by a group of 8-track businessmen who sell pads, tapes, sensing foil, splicing tape, tape cases, 8-track memorabilia, etc. They have a chokehold on the hobby and don't allow any new blood- they stymie any new ideas. They are the "anal collector boys club" types you have spoken of. And they are jealously defending their market share, and using you to do their dirty work for them. These same guys actually make fun of your movie- and toss stones at it and the people in it. To be honest Russ, they aren't very cool people, and they don't like you either. But now they will use you as a tool to cause trouble on the net, and Ebay. Tell me you don't recognize these names- Dan Gibson, Paul Evans, John Winnard. No doubt one of them emailed you. These guys would go bananas if someone played a 90 minute Scotch blank tape without a label. Recently their world has been rocked by a quad blank that sold for $127 on ebay. So all their so-called "valuable" vintage 8-track quads, have been devalued greatly. By contrast, that same seller only got $62 for a real Pink Floyd Wish you were Here quad. Here are the auctions. The Archies quad blank that sold for $127- this is a home made tape. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=403195958 3 And now a real Pink Floyd quad tape http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=403173259 7 And most "real" quads now sell for less than $20. Yet a home made tape sells for $127. This is what the purists just can't stand. Their so-called "valuable" collections, being devalued. This is what led to all this commotion- believe it or not. They can't seem to handle the fact, that people want NEW tapes already, not the old, rare, hard to get tapes that they have jealousy hoarded and want $500 each for. Yes, these same guys that contacted you- they sell their quad tapes for $500 each through word of mouth. So if some old timer will do a transfer from LP to 8-track for them, is that some heinous crime ?? Russ, I've been into 8-tracks heavy since 1976, I'm 42 years old. Guys like me have been home recording for 30 years now. Back in the 1970's, one guy would buy an LP, we'd all make an 8-track copy. Like, what's the problem now ? Malcolm Riviera has always stayed out of this, but has recently tossed his lot in with this gang as well. He attacked me for making "fake" 8-tracks. I had to remind him, he gladly bought a dubbed Nirvana 8-track tape from me for $3, and was happy to get it- and he was well aware it was a dub too. Do you see the contradictions there ?? Just want you to be aware of it. I actually thought you wouldn't mind having your movie on ebay based on the positive attitude you always had-by what I've read and heard, you kind of gave up on 8-tracking back in 2000. I didn't think you'd even care now- honestly. It seemed you were done with tracking to me. I guess I was wrong. By stopping that movie auction, these guys are not hurting me at all- like I said there is no profit lost, as their is not profit TO lose there. Would you sit and make a recording for me for 2 hours, for $2 ?? Who this really hurts, is all the trackers out there who love that movie, and want a copy- and can't find it anywhere. You need to be reminded of that. ps- I didn't give up on 8-tracks. I've been listening to them long before you did, and still am. There's no need to get volatile in your emails- I've traded letters with you often. You know me better than that. Charlie |
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Letter from Nudo to Russ Forster Group: alt.collecting.8-track-tapes Date: Mon, Sep 6, 2004, 12:39pm (EDT-3) From: (Malco=A0the=A0Terrible) After director Russ Forster asked Nudo to stop bootlegging his tapes, here's the letter that Nudo send back in reply (Russ sent this to me, asked me to share it with you guys): Russ, There is no profit in the movie tape. After ebay listing/commission fees, paypal fees, USPS shipping costs, and the tape and time, that is basically grattice to other trackers. ////// I believe the word is 'gratis' and no, claiming typo won't work. |
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Russel Forster" Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:23 AM Subject: Out of Print Dear Charlie, SO WRONG THEY'RE RIGHT is still available on quality VHS copies directly from me via the 8-Track Heaven website, so it is not "out of print" as you assert. I will contact Amazon to have it removed from their catalog so there will be less confusion as to this issue. Further, I'm planning a DVD release of the film next year. If you want to copy my film and sell it, you will have to get an agreement in writing from me. This is standard business practice, and really wouldn't cost you that much to do. Sincerely, Russ Forster |
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Russel Forster" Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:23 AM Subject: Out of Print Dear Charlie, SO WRONG THEY'RE RIGHT is still available on quality VHS copies directly from me via the 8-Track Heaven website, so it is not "out of print" as you assert. I will contact Amazon to have it removed from their catalog so there will be less confusion as to this issue. Further, I'm planning a DVD release of the film next year. If you want to copy my film and sell it, you will have to get an agreement in writing from me. This is standard business practice, and really wouldn't cost you that much to do. Sincerely, Russ Forster |
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Maybe a new documentary could be made about Charlie--'So Wrong He's Wrong'.
later, ron |
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The Audiotex alignment cart is not copyrighted, is therefore in the
public domain, and anyone can dub it and copy it. The Audiotex Company is defunct and no longer in business. I am not selling copies of Russ Forster's movie. The movie was out of print for a short time- I was informed that he intends to re-release it in DVD. So line up and get your DVD copies for $20 each then. After investigating the matter via phone calls and email with the Copyright Office, I also found out Russ Forster never registered his movie with the US Copyright Office. The DVD version of the movie, that came free with "Movies" magazine, is not marked with the copyright mark or copyright holder's name- which is required by law- so any copying of the DVD is considered innocent infringement. Not an issue anyway, as I'm not dubbing or selling the movie. Your charges are unfounded and not supported by any facts. |
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The Audiotex alignment cart is not copyrighted, is therefore in the
public domain, and anyone can dub it and copy it. The Audiotex Company is defunct and no longer in business. Regardless of whether that's correct or not, a dub of an alignment tape is only as good as the machine it was dubbed from and onto, which adds too many question marks for the dub to be reliable. I don't care how good you are or aren't, it's not the factory-spec tape in the end. --Bob Farace "I only believe in fire." --Anais Nin |
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Regardless of whether that's correct or not, a dub of an alignment tape is only
as good as the machine it was dubbed from and onto, which adds too many question marks for the dub to be reliable. I don't care how good you are or aren't, it's not the factory-spec tape in the end. --Bob Farace As usual, you're WRONG, AGAIN !! Take a factory alignment tape, align one recording deck. Then align a second recording deck using the same tape. Now both decks are properly aligned to the alignment tape. Any dubbing done from one deck to the other will be dead nuts on for tracking- as you are using (2) aligned decks. So music tapes, or alignment tapes, whatever you dub, will be correct for tracking. How do you think the record companies did it back in the day ?? They made alignment tapes the same way. Why do you think some carts are so far off for track assignments ?? The slave decks went out of adjustment over time, and if not aligned made tapes that were mis-tracked. Every 8-track deck should be aligned at least a few times yearly, or at least checked. The channel switch mechanism & cam wears- and changes the alignment over time. I have a factory Lou Reed Rock and Roll Animal tape, that is off by a mile, plays 2 songs simultaneously, on any deck you try it in. The slave deck at the factory was out of adjustment that made that tape. |
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