China Manchukuo.

These are obviously different stamps.
Were the "china mail" issues redrawn?
http://cjoint.com/data/gnp03JhZSk.htm

rodney schrieb:
These are obviously different stamps.
Were the "china mail" issues redrawn?
http://cjoint.com/data/gnp03JhZSk.htm



Rodney, the left one should be the 1944 issue and the right one the
issue from 1937. As far as I remember, the design had been changed
slightly in 1944 - I realized that for the 20 Fen and 1 Yen design.






Peter
--
No Gates - no Bill!

Ta muchly Pete,
It is becoming obvious, I am going to have to ditch the "simplified"
and buy a new Catalogue set (ouch!)

I cannot for the life of me understand why a country "re-draws".
If the plates are worn, why not bring out a new issue?
It seems pointless to re draw an existing design. (well, to me anyhow


"Peter Baumann" wrote in message
...
rodney schrieb:
These are obviously different stamps.
Were the "china mail" issues redrawn?
http://cjoint.com/data/gnp03JhZSk.htm



Rodney, the left one should be the 1944 issue and the right one the
issue from 1937. As far as I remember, the design had been changed
slightly in 1944 - I realized that for the 20 Fen and 1 Yen design.






Peter
--
No Gates - no Bill!

"rodney" wrote in message
...

Ta muchly Pete,
It is becoming obvious, I am going to have to ditch the "simplified"
and buy a new Catalogue set (ouch!)

I cannot for the life of me understand why a country "re-draws".
If the plates are worn, why not bring out a new issue?
It seems pointless to re draw an existing design. (well, to me anyhow

It is, maybe, cheaper?

--
Victor

On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:11:24 +0200, Victor Manta wrote:

I cannot for the life of me understand why a country "re-draws". If the
plates are worn, why not bring out a new issue? It seems pointless to
re draw an existing design. (well, to me anyhow

It is, maybe, cheaper?

With a large and potentially suspicious population, for whom new designs
might be met with suspicion, it might not be worth the "social
engineering" required to introduce a new stamp.

--
Joshua H. McGee
San Marino, Los Angeles, California, USA, Earth
Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, MBPC
Trade?: http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/

On Jun 13, 10:13*am, Peter Baumann wrote:
rodney schrieb: These are obviously different stamps.
Were the "china mail" issues redrawn?
http://cjoint.com/data/gnp03JhZSk.htm

Rodney, the left one should be the 1944 issue and the right one the
issue from 1937. As far as I remember, the design had been changed
slightly in 1944 - I realized that for the 20 Fen and 1 Yen design.

Peter
--
No Gates - no Bill!

To add to what Peter said:

The original set of 4 (1935-01-01) was lithographed
on granite paper with a watermark of horizontal
wavy lines. This design was used for the 4 and
12 fen values. These exist imperf as well.

A revised set of 3 (1935) was issued with a
watermark of characters instead of lines.
This design was used for the 12 fen
value.

..A redrawn and engraved set of 4 (1936)
was issued with the watermark of
characters. This design was used for
the 4 and 12 fen values. The background
shading lines were now unbroken, shading
was removed from the left and right of the
mountains and nearly all lines were
removed from the lake.

In 1937, the two stamps were overprinted
in chinese chatacters for new postal rates.
5 fen on 4 fen (2 settings) character wmk.
5 fen on 4 fen (1 setting) wavy line wmk.
13 fen on 12 fen (3 settings) char. wmk.

Later in 1937, the 4 and 12 fen were
re-engraved for 5 fen black (right hand
stamp) and 13 fen. Char watermark.

In 1944, the 5 fen was produced by
lithography in grey-black (left hand
stamp.)

Blair

Hmmm, interesting and valid concept.

"Joshua McGee"
It is, maybe, cheaper?

With a large and potentially suspicious population, for whom new designs
might be met with suspicion, it might not be worth the "social
engineering" required to introduce a new stamp.

Thank you very much.
Now that's what I want in a catalogue
----------------------------
"Blair"
To add to what Peter said:
The original set of 4 (1935-01-01) was lithographed
on granite paper with a watermark of horizontal
wavy lines. This design was used for the 4 and
12 fen values. These exist imperf as well.

A revised set of 3 (1935) was issued with a
watermark of characters instead of lines.
This design was used for the 12 fen
value.

..A redrawn and engraved set of 4 (1936)
was issued with the watermark of
characters. This design was used for
the 4 and 12 fen values. The background
shading lines were now unbroken, shading
was removed from the left and right of the
mountains and nearly all lines were
removed from the lake.

In 1937, the two stamps were overprinted
in chinese chatacters for new postal rates.
5 fen on 4 fen (2 settings) character wmk.
5 fen on 4 fen (1 setting) wavy line wmk.
13 fen on 12 fen (3 settings) char. wmk.

Later in 1937, the 4 and 12 fen were
re-engraved for 5 fen black (right hand
stamp) and 13 fen. Char watermark.

In 1944, the 5 fen was produced by
lithography in grey-black (left hand
stamp.)

Blair

On Jun 13, 7:56*pm, "rodney" wrote:
Thank you very much.
Now that's what I want in a catalogue
----------------------------

It's called Scott. 8*)

By the way, that last auction had a full
2008 Gibbons catalogue (5 volumes)
that was estimated at $A 220 (about half
of last year's price). There were no bids.

$A 44 per volume is a good price for
a year old catalogue.


B

"Joshua McGee" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:11:24 +0200, Victor Manta wrote:

I cannot for the life of me understand why a country "re-draws". If the
plates are worn, why not bring out a new issue? It seems pointless to
re draw an existing design. (well, to me anyhow

It is, maybe, cheaper?

With a large and potentially suspicious population, for whom new designs
might be met with suspicion, it might not be worth the "social
engineering" required to introduce a new stamp.

Or is it that definitives should be produced as cheap as possible, because
they are much less collected (compared to the quantities that are issued),
as opposed to commemoratives, the number of which increases permanently?

--
Victor Manta

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