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RUSSIA: Fake 1899 10 rouble coin
This must be fake, but is it a known counterfeit?
http://imagecloset.com/5/12041009-Ru...Faelschung.jpg (It's actually a gold 10 rouble coin, in spite of what the file name says). The mintmaster AR was only active after 1901. -- Bob Hairgrove |
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RUSSIA: Fake 1899 10 rouble coin
I have not seen this one before. The lettering on the edge looks bad
and, as you note, the mintmaster AP (Alexander Redko) did not begin his tenure until the latter part of 1901. Thanks for bringing it to the attention of collectors in this area. RWJ Bob Hairgrove wrote: Bob Hairgrove wrote: This must be fake, but is it a known counterfeit? http://imagecloset.com/5/12041009-Ru...Faelschung.jpg (It's actually a gold 10 rouble coin, in spite of what the file name says). The mintmaster AR was only active after 1901. -- Bob Hairgrove This must be fake, but is it a known counterfeit? http://imagecloset.com/5/12041009-Ru...Faelschung.jpg (It's actually a gold 10 rouble coin, in spite of what the file name says). The mintmaster AR was only active after 1901. -- Bob Hairgrove |
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RUSSIA: Fake 1899 10 rouble coin
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:32:11 -0500, RW Julian
wrote: I have not seen this one before. The lettering on the edge looks bad and, as you note, the mintmaster AP (Alexander Redko) did not begin his tenure until the latter part of 1901. Thanks for bringing it to the attention of collectors in this area. RWJ Thanks for looking, Bob. I wonder when this was made? Apparently it has seen some circulation, although not very much. Somewhere (maybe it was on Bob Reis' site? http://www.anythinganywhere.com) -- I had seen something referring to a counterfeit 10 rouble coin before, and I believe that it was 1899, but no details were given. Maybe it was on the list that the ANA puts out at irregular intervals. But I couldn't find it on his site anymore. Are there any good sources which describe known counterfeit Russian coins in detail? (not just gold, but also silver, copper and platinum). -- Bob Hairgrove |
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RUSSIA: Fake 1899 10 rouble coin
There is a published 1899 10 rouble counterfeit but it is badly done and
easily seen to be a fake. The one you have mentioned appears perectly normal for obverse and reverse. I doubt that it is contemporary and it may be a product of the Beirut forgers of the 1960s. RWJ Bob Hairgrove wrote: On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:32:11 -0500, RW Julian wrote: I have not seen this one before. The lettering on the edge looks bad and, as you note, the mintmaster AP (Alexander Redko) did not begin his tenure until the latter part of 1901. Thanks for bringing it to the attention of collectors in this area. RWJ Thanks for looking, Bob. I wonder when this was made? Apparently it has seen some circulation, although not very much. Somewhere (maybe it was on Bob Reis' site? http://www.anythinganywhere.com) -- I had seen something referring to a counterfeit 10 rouble coin before, and I believe that it was 1899, but no details were given. Maybe it was on the list that the ANA puts out at irregular intervals. But I couldn't find it on his site anymore. Are there any good sources which describe known counterfeit Russian coins in detail? (not just gold, but also silver, copper and platinum). -- Bob Hairgrove |
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RUSSIA: Fake 1899 10 rouble coin
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:13:29 -0500, RW Julian
wrote: There is a published 1899 10 rouble counterfeit but it is badly done and easily seen to be a fake. The one you have mentioned appears perectly normal for obverse and reverse. I doubt that it is contemporary and it may be a product of the Beirut forgers of the 1960s. RWJ Here are some more pictures: http://imagecloset.com/1/12480117-ob...comparison.jpg http://imagecloset.com/1/12500117-re...comparison.jpg http://imagecloset.com/1/12360117-edge_composite.jpg http://imagecloset.com/1/12220117-di...rse_design.jpg These are the main discrepancies. Also, the fake coin weighs 8.4 instead of 8.6 grams. The circled parts of the reverse design comparison in the last image above mean the following: a. Missing feather tip on the counterfeit; b. The thinnest parts of the round letters and digits are slightly thicker on the counterfeit coin; c. The distance between the letters and the rim denticles is slightly less on the counterfeit coin. There are more discrepancies, most of which are less obvious. Of course, it is possible that some of the differences noted above are actual varieties of a genuine 1899 10 rouble coin which might have been used to create dies for the counterfeit. -- Bob Hairgrove |
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RUSSIA: Fake 1899 10 rouble coin
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:25:55 +0100, Bob Hairgrove
wrote: On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:13:29 -0500, RW Julian wrote: There is a published 1899 10 rouble counterfeit but it is badly done and easily seen to be a fake. The one you have mentioned appears perectly normal for obverse and reverse. I doubt that it is contemporary and it may be a product of the Beirut forgers of the 1960s. RWJ Here are some more pictures: http://imagecloset.com/1/12480117-ob...comparison.jpg http://imagecloset.com/1/12500117-re...comparison.jpg http://imagecloset.com/1/12360117-edge_composite.jpg http://imagecloset.com/1/12220117-di...rse_design.jpg These are the main discrepancies. Also, the fake coin weighs 8.4 instead of 8.6 grams. The circled parts of the reverse design comparison in the last image above mean the following: a. Missing feather tip on the counterfeit; b. The thinnest parts of the round letters and digits are slightly thicker on the counterfeit coin; c. The distance between the letters and the rim denticles is slightly less on the counterfeit coin. There are more discrepancies, most of which are less obvious. Of course, it is possible that some of the differences noted above are actual varieties of a genuine 1899 10 rouble coin which might have been used to create dies for the counterfeit. Oops ... the "missing feather" is NOT missing, as you can see by comparing the image of the reverse in the first link with that in the last link. Must have been a trick of the lighting. Otherwise, the comments stand as is. -- Bob Hairgrove |
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UPDATED IMAGE LINKS: Fake 1899 10 rouble coin
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:44:45 +0100, Bob Hairgrove
wrote: This must be fake, but is it a known counterfeit? http://imagecloset.com/5/12041009-Ru...Faelschung.jpg (It's actually a gold 10 rouble coin, in spite of what the file name says). The mintmaster AR was only active after 1901. Unfortunately, ImageCloset seems to have deleted the images. Here is a link to the same pictures: http://www.coinpeople.com/uploads/11...124_116374.jpg -- Bob Hairgrove |
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RUSSIA: Fake 1899 10 rouble coin
hello anybody deals with coins here?
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RUSSIA: Fake 1899 10 rouble coin
On Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 9:08:36 AM UTC-5, wrote:
hello anybody deals with coins here? I collect coins, but I'm not able too currently buy any coins due too saving a coin show in Dalton, GA in April. |
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