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Charles Russell wrote:
I am often too busy even to search for a particular coin that I want. Sounds like BS, but doesn't describe most serious collectors of anything. I appreciate the effort that a seller makes to give me a heads-up on new purchases. Even long after you've acquired that particular coin and have zero interest in additional instances of it? Unsoliticed Commercial Email (UCE) is the stereotypical example of SPAM, regardless of what self-serving BS is spewed to "justify" it. It doesn't matter if 0.000013% of the spam recipients are actually happy to receive it. The rest of us will avail ourselves of whatever recourse is available. In the specific case of eBay sellers contacting past or potential bidders about new auctions, I will report them to eBay instantly. This is a clear violation of the eBay User Agreement. -- Regards, PO Box 248 Bob Niland Enterprise Kansas USA which, due to spam, is: 67441-0248 email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com http://www.access-one.com/rjn Unless otherwise specifically stated, expressing personal opinions and NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider. |
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(Charles Russell) wrote
(Curtis Desjardins) wrote: (Jean Tant) wrote Most serious collectors consider an email about new purchases as a favor. I most assuredly do NOT number among those "most". I can do my own searches, thank you very much. I am often too busy even to search for a particular coin that I want. Then tell the seller to put you on his mailing list. I appreciate the effort that a seller makes to give me a heads-up on new purchases. I only appreciate it if I ask for it. If I don't ask for it, it's spam. Period. Curtis. -- Wanna play 20 questions? // Okay // Are you a mineral? // Yes // Are you a tank? // Whoa! Good one! |
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In article , Bob Niland wrote:
Charles Russell wrote: I am often too busy even to search for a particular coin that I want. Sounds like BS, but doesn't describe most serious collectors of anything. I appreciate the effort that a seller makes to give me a heads-up on new purchases. Even long after you've acquired that particular coin and have zero interest in additional instances of it? Unsoliticed Commercial Email (UCE) is the stereotypical example of SPAM, regardless of what self-serving BS is spewed to "justify" it. It doesn't matter if 0.000013% of the spam recipients are actually happy to receive it. The rest of us will avail ourselves of whatever recourse is available. In the specific case of eBay sellers contacting past or potential bidders about new auctions, I will report them to eBay instantly. This is a clear violation of the eBay User Agreement. It is not UCE (spam) if you have a prior business relationship with someone. All anti-spam legislation provides an exemption for existing customers. If you don't see this difference, you have been brainwashed by ebay, |
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C. R. Boston wrote:
It is not UCE (spam) if you have a prior business relationship with someone. A relationship in the context of an auction systems whose terms specifically say that sellers will not do this. I get email offers all the time from dot.coms I buy from. I authorized them. All anti-spam legislation provides an exemption for existing customers. But eBay's terms don't. We aren't just talking law here. The seller may not go to jail, but they can still get kicked off eBay. If you don't see this difference, If an eBay buyer solicits seller email, or agrees if asked in the course of an auction, there's no problem. Absent a specific prior agreement (not just a relationship), the seller gets reported. you have been brainwashed by ebay, eBay sellers can brainwash themselves with all the this-is-not-spam spin they want, but if they send unsolicited commercial email to former buyers, they are playing with fire. Enough of those buyers will file complaints that NARU is sooner rather than later, but certain in any case. My opinion is irrelevant. What the email recipients are likely to do, and what eBay will do in response, is the bottom line. -- Regards, PO Box 248 Bob Niland Enterprise Kansas USA which, due to spam, is: 67441-0248 email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com http://www.access-one.com/rjn Unless otherwise specifically stated, expressing personal opinions and NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider. |
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C. R. Boston wrote:
snip It is not UCE (spam) if you have a prior business relationship with someone. All anti-spam legislation provides an exemption for existing customers. If you don't see this difference, you have been brainwashed by ebay, What part of "it's defined as spam by the eBay's user agreement, you agreed to it contractually when you signed up, and it doesn't matter in the slightest what the definition of spam is in unrelated anti-spam legislation" are you having a difficulty understanding? |
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Sending a personal email to a valued customer is not the same as sending a
spam ad to 100,000 uninterested strangers. Why is it you cannot understand the difference? -- RARE COIN AUCTIONS NO MINIMUMS http://www.frankcoins.com Ebay Powerseller FRANKCOINS Texas Auction License 11259 Board member of Texas Coin Dealers Association, Fort Worth Coin Club. Member: Texas Numismatic Assoc, American Numismatic Assoc. "Richard Ward" wrote in message ... C. R. Boston wrote: snip It is not UCE (spam) if you have a prior business relationship with someone. All anti-spam legislation provides an exemption for existing customers. If you don't see this difference, you have been brainwashed by ebay, What part of "it's defined as spam by the eBay's user agreement, you agreed to it contractually when you signed up, and it doesn't matter in the slightest what the definition of spam is in unrelated anti-spam legislation" are you having a difficulty understanding? |
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Frank Provasek wrote:
Sending a personal email to a valued customer ... If the customer didn't request or authorize it, then they aren't very highly valued by the sender. ... is not the same as sending a spam ad to 100,000 uninterested strangers. One spam is still a spam. The numbers matter only in how quickly the complaints add up. Why is it you cannot understand the difference? Because there isn't any. And anyone who wishes it to be different is missing the point. All it takes is a handful of eBay bidder complaints to get such a seller NARU'd. We aren't the droids you're looking for. Even if you persuade us, you'll still get NARU'd by complaints from the valued victims. You need to persuade the recipients, one at a time. And if you do, then it isn't spam. -- Regards, PO Box 248 Bob Niland Enterprise Kansas USA which, due to spam, is: 67441-0248 email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com http://www.access-one.com/rjn Unless otherwise specifically stated, expressing personal opinions and NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider. |
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Frank Provasek wrote:
Sending a personal email to a valued customer is not the same as sending a spam ad to 100,000 uninterested strangers. Why is it you cannot understand the difference? Certainly I understand the difference. However, since eBay's rules prohibit sending emails to eBay customers without their express prior permission, whether you send your message to 1 or or to 100,000,000, the difference is simply irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Why do you have such a hard time understanding that? |
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