_ _ _ DAMNOT CDS

Looking for help in reading a cancellation on a French Colonies
general issue used in Cochin China. (Sorry Rodney and Tony, it’s the
other Cochin, not the one in India.) The town name seems to be nine
characters and end in DAMNOT. My best guess is IDUDAMNOT, but
Internet and atlas searches don’t find anything similar.

Unlikely to be particularly valuable, but I’d like to know where the
stamp was used.

Any help would be appreciated.

For those unfamiliar with the area, Cochin China was the southern
third-or-so of French Indochina or today’s Viet-Nam, so that would be
about the southern two-thirds of South Viet Nam.

Image is at: http://cjoint.com/?eCaHom0iqQ

On Apr 27, 6:39*pm, Stan wrote:
Looking for help in reading a cancellation on a French Colonies
general issue used in Cochin China. *(Sorry Rodney and Tony, it’s the
other Cochin, not the one in India.) *The town name seems to be nine
characters and end in DAMNOT. *My best guess is IDUDAMNOT, but
Internet and atlas searches don’t find anything similar.

Unlikely to be particularly valuable, but I’d like to know where the
stamp was used.

Any help would be appreciated.

For those unfamiliar with the area, Cochin China was the southern
third-or-so of French Indochina or today’s Viet-Nam, so that would be
about the southern two-thirds of South Viet Nam.

Image is at: * *http://cjoint.com/?eCaHom0iqQ

Ignoring the DAMNOT in Kashmir .........

Could it be Dam Noi ?
Lat (DMS) 21° 16' 60N Long (DMS) 106° 4' 60E
http://www.fallingrain.com/world/VM/11/Dam_Noi.html

OR

Dam Ngoc Bai ?
Lat (DMS) 10° 25' 60N Long (DMS) 106° 0' 0E
http://www.fallingrain.com/world/VM/..._Ngoc_Bai.html

Blair

On Apr 27, 6:39*pm, Stan wrote:
Looking for help in reading a cancellation on a French Colonies
general issue used in Cochin China. *(Sorry Rodney and Tony, it’s the
other Cochin, not the one in India.) *The town name seems to be nine
characters and end in DAMNOT. *My best guess is IDUDAMNOT, but
Internet and atlas searches don’t find anything similar.

Unlikely to be particularly valuable, but I’d like to know where the
stamp was used.

Any help would be appreciated.

For those unfamiliar with the area, Cochin China was the southern
third-or-so of French Indochina or today’s Viet-Nam, so that would be
about the southern two-thirds of South Viet Nam.

Image is at: * *http://cjoint.com/?eCaHom0iqQ

Alphabetical listing of Places in Vietnam starting with I :

Name Country Lat Long Elev ft. Pop est
I Teau Wan city Vietnam 22.55 104.33 4291 6308
Ich Hau city Vietnam 18.45 105.85 49 50802
Ich Vinh city Vietnam 20.93 105.83 55 373134
In Tchang city Vietnam 22.62 103.78 1040 6489
In Tchang city Vietnam 22.58 103.67 2995 6556
In Tchong city Vietnam 22.62 103.78 1040 6489
In Tchong city Vietnam 22.58 103.67 2995 6556
Irai Ma city Vietnam 19.97 105.53 78 115523
Iren Irang city Vietnam 18.70 105.78 16 23192
Iri Thuy city Vietnam 18.85 105.68 0 36957

On Apr 28, 2:32*pm, "Blair (TC)" wrote:
On Apr 27, 6:39*pm, Stan wrote:





Looking for help in reading a cancellation on a French Colonies
general issue used in Cochin China. *(Sorry Rodney and Tony, it’s the
other Cochin, not the one in India.) *The town name seems to be nine
characters and end in DAMNOT. *My best guess is IDUDAMNOT, but
Internet and atlas searches don’t find anything similar.

Unlikely to be particularly valuable, but I’d like to know where the
stamp was used.

Any help would be appreciated.

For those unfamiliar with the area, Cochin China was the southern
third-or-so of French Indochina or today’s Viet-Nam, so that would be
about the southern two-thirds of South Viet Nam.

Image is at: * *http://cjoint.com/?eCaHom0iqQ

Alphabetical listing of Places in Vietnam starting with I :

Name * * * * * * * * * *Country * * * * Lat * * * * * * Long * *Elev ft. * * * *Pop est
I Teau Wan city * * * * * * * * Vietnam * * * * 22.55 * 104.33 *4291 * * *6308
Ich Hau * * * * city * * * * * *Vietnam * * * * 18.45 * 105.85 *49 * * * * * * *50802
Ich Vinh * * * *city * * * * * *Vietnam * * * * 20.93 * 105.83 *55 * * * * * * 373134
In Tchang * * * city * * * * * *Vietnam * * * * 22.62 * 103.78 *1040 * * *6489
In Tchang * * * city * * * * * *Vietnam * * * * 22.58 * 103.67 *2995 * * *6556
In Tchong * * * city * * * * * *Vietnam * * * * 22.62 * 103.78 *1040 * * *6489
In Tchong * * * city * * * * * *Vietnam * * * * 22.58 * 103.67 *2995 * * *6556
Irai Ma * * * * city * * * * * *Vietnam * * * * 19.97 * 105.53 * * 78 * * * * * *115523
Iren Irang * * *city * * * * * *Vietnam * * * * 18.70 * 105.78 * * 16 * * * * * *23192
Iri Thuy * * * *city * * * * * *Vietnam * * * * 18.85 * 105.68 * * * 0 * * * * * 36957- Hide quoted text -

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Blair--thanks for the suggestions, but none seem to fit. The DAMNOT
look pretty certain, and it's hard to envision a French Colonies
general issue cancel that could look like COCHINCHINE and not be
COCHINCHINE. I'm guessing that the name existed during the late 19th
century and then was changed or disappeared as a post office, which is
why we find no current trace of the place.

Stan

On Apr 27, 6:39Â*pm, Stan wrote:
Looking for help in reading a cancellation on a French Colonies
general issue used in Cochin China. Â*(Sorry Rodney and Tony, it’s the
other Cochin, not the one in India.) Â*The town name seems to be nine
characters and end in DAMNOT. Â*My best guess is IDUDAMNOT, but
Internet and atlas searches don’t find anything similar.

Unlikely to be particularly valuable, but I’d like to know where the
stamp was used.

Any help would be appreciated.

For those unfamiliar with the area, Cochin China was the southern
third-or-so of French Indochina or today’s Viet-Nam, so that would be
about the southern two-thirds of South Viet Nam.

Image is at: Â* Â*http://cjoint.com/?eCaHom0iqQ

Hi Stan:

One of my posts has not appeared so I am reposting my summary of it.

I would propose: THU DAU MOT (Vietnamese spelling not French)
It is 20 km N of Ho Chi Minh city on the Saigon River.

http://www.cijoint.fr/cjlink.php?fil...cijwVqLTPb.jpg

The town has an area of 88 km², population (2003) was
158,000, and is located 20 km north of downtown Hồ
ChÃ* Minh City, on the left bank of the Saigon River,
upstream from Hồ ChÃ* Minh City.

Although this town is an administratively separate town,
it is considered as part of the Hồ ChÃ* Minh City
Metropolitan Area since this town is bordered by
Hồ ChÃ* Minh City’s urban area.

http://nguyentl.free.fr/autrefois/su...hu_dau_mot.jpg
http://www.sugia.vn/upload/fckeditor...-nhung-nam.jpg

Market Place 1917
http://sugia.vn/upload/fckeditor/upl...hu-Dau-Mot.jpg


Pics from circa 1950

Market Place
http://nguyentl.free.fr/Public/Cales..._du_marche.jpg

The Camp from the Outlook (Belvedere)
http://nguyentl.free.fr/Public/Cales..._belvedere.jpg

Old gate (door)
http://nguyentl.free.fr/Public/Cales...te_antique.jpg


Architecture today
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/o...l/17650023.jpg

Cheers
Blair

Hi Stan:

One of my posts has not appeared so I am reposting my summary of it.

I would propose: THU DAU MOT (Vietnamese spelling not French)
It is 20 km N of Ho Chi Minh city on the Saigon River.

http://www.cijoint.fr/cjlink.php?fil...cijwVqLTPb.jpg

The town has an area of 88 km², population (2003) was
158,000, and is located 20 km north of downtown Hồ
ChÃ* Minh City, on the left bank of the Saigon River,
upstream from Hồ ChÃ* Minh City.


Cheers
Blair-

Blair--I like your idea. It's in the right part of the country
(south), in Vietnamese, not French (and the cancel was in French), and
it has lots of the right letters in the right order. The only thing
that would be the capstone of our structure would be if someone who
knows both Vietnamese and French could confirm that THU DAU MOT could
be THUDAMNOT in French.

Thanks. I'm taking this as the answer until someone gives a good
reason why it is not likely to be correct.

Stan

Perhaps we should be clear about the relationship between French and
'Vietnamese'. The French devised the present romanization of
Vietnamese. The Vietnamese used Chinese characters previously. Thus
there isn't any 'French' version and 'Vietnamese' version.

Another point, Hanoi was/is in Tonkin, not Cochin China, so not in the
right part of the country - unless Cochin Chinese stamps were being
used in Tonkin at the time. (I have no idea on that.)

Tony

Stan wrote :

One of my posts has not appeared so I am reposting my summary of it.

I would propose: THU DAU MOT (Vietnamese spelling not French)
It is 20 km N of Ho Chi Minh city on the Saigon River.

Blair--I like your idea. It's in the right part of the country
(south), in Vietnamese, not French (and the cancel was in French), and
it has lots of the right letters in the right order. The only thing
that would be the capstone of our structure would be if someone who
knows both Vietnamese and French could confirm that THU DAU MOT could
be THUDAMNOT in French.

I concur. Thu Dau Mot.
I can't explain why this french colonial cds says something slightly
different from the city name on a 1932 map.

Here is this map (1932). Click on the bottom to enlarge the Saigon
region, and you will locate Thu Dau Mot, following Blair's
indications..

Regards,

--
Cordialement,
Bruno

bc92 wrote :

I concur. Thu Dau Mot.
I can't explain why this french colonial cds says something slightly
different from the city name on a 1932 map.

Here is this map (1932). Click on the bottom to enlarge the Saigon region,
and you will locate Thu Dau Mot, following Blair's indications..

Oops, the map :
http://belleindochine.free.fr/images...esMoussons.jpg

--
Cordialement,
Bruno

On Apr 29, 9:59*am, Sir F. A. Rien wrote:
Asia-translation found these unused
words:

Perhaps we should be clear about the relationship between French and
'Vietnamese'. *The French devised the present romanization of
Vietnamese. *The Vietnamese used Chinese characters previously. *Thus
there isn't any 'French' version and 'Vietnamese' version.

Another point, Hanoi was/is in Tonkin, not Cochin China, so not in the
right part of the country - unless Cochin Chinese stamps were being
used in Tonkin at the time. *(I have no idea on that.)

Tony

Guess I missed that post, the only place I saw named was Ho Chi Minh and
that's the current name for Saigon.

Correct . The city is 20 Km North of the former Saigon, not Hanoi.