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Cut Squares of Postal Stationary
On 14 Jan 2007 21:28:53 -0800, "TL" wrote:
YMMV = your monkey might vomit? That too! Your Mileage May Vary... wrote: On 14 Jan 2007 17:58:56 -0800, "TL" wrote: Tracy, Seems to me that soaking some cut corners would be more ruinous than leaving the hinge remnant. Maybe if the entire corner was there. If it is truly a cut with no backing paper, then why keep it dirty? I've soaked quite a few older U.S. cut Squares with no ill effect. Of course, YMMV. YMMV = your monkey might vomit? The embossed concept seems to have been an early idea that stayed and made up somewhat for the simplistic designs. And with stamps, like Portugal. wrote: On 14 Jan 2007 14:21:13 -0800, "TL" wrote: I'm going through a cut square collection. I seem to have hundreds if not thousands. I'm at the same time writing in a message box the pros and cons of cut squares trying to understand why they have never excited the stamp collector as much as other areas. Are they boring? Difficult with their die variations? Postal Stationary enjoys popularity in Postal History with up-rating with stamps and rare cancels. Some hard core stamp collectors would even collect used Entires for select reasons but what are some reasons that a stamp collector would go after a lowly cut square? US cut squares have some huge catalog values but I rarely witness the sale of these items. Why is it you like or dislike Cut Squares? I used to collect them. I now save them to give away to anyone who wants them. I was going to collect postal stationery but with my current collecting interests, it was way out of my league (money & time). Positives: Never been soaked No necessarily. Had to soak many of them with nasty hinges. Has clear cancels because of flatness What about the embossed squares? No hinged problems (or is hinging a problem?) Plenty, in older collections. Multi-hinged gunk at times. |
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Cut Squares of Postal Stationary
Weiss has had large stationery auctions years ago at the NY Collectors club.
I have saved one of these catalogs for reference as he talks at length on rareity. For the record, I don't approve of cut squares, I like the entires. But, I also collect cancelations, and cut squares have quite the variety - with strikes are almost always full on piece. -al "JOBI01" wrote in message news:fsPqh.1685$hi7.267@trnddc08... Tom, I am not aware of any on-line references scarcity of US cut squares. Someday I will try to add that information into my classic cut square price list like I have done on my postal card price list. Most printed information I have seen on scarcity is in auction catalogs. -- Bill Lehr JOBI Philatelic Services specializing in US postal stationery APEX, APS, NSDA, SDI, IFSDA, IPDA, UPSS, PSS 312 Lower Coleville RD Bellefonte, PA 16823-8726 814-355-8871 http://jobi.bizhosting.com "TL" wrote in message ups.com... Bill, Thanks for the link. I have a series of Bremen cut squares that are stamped on the back "counterfeit", probably by an expert. Next to those is a series of "reprints" and then the originals. The collections that I have of worldwide seem to be quite thorough from the beginning up to 1906. In one album, countries such as Austria have no empty spaces. I'm wondering, therefore, if the cut squares of value may run similarly to the higher valued entires of H&G. I realize that in many instances the aspects of variation in PS have been cut away from the cut square. In the web links is there a site that mentions the rarer cut squares? Tom JOBI01 wrote: Counterfeits, fakes and forgeries are an interesting study of postal stationery. Forgeries of 19th century material were extremely common, especially in European collections. Forgeries were almost always done as cut squares. Counterfeits of both stamped envelopes and postal cards are know and some are extremely well documented. Fakes occur mostly of 20th century material in the form of surcharges. Common material that becomes valuable when surcharged and common material not known to be surcharged are the typical fakes. Even entire envelope types have been faked to create rarities! Several articles, with color pics, are archived he http://jobi.bizhosting.com -- Bill Lehr JOBI Philatelic Services specializing in US postal stationery APEX, APS, NSDA, SDI, IFSDA, IPDA, UPSS, PSS 312 Lower Coleville RD Bellefonte, PA 16823-8726 814-355-8871 http://jobi.bizhosting.com "TL" wrote in message ups.com... I'm going through a cut square collection. I seem to have hundreds if not thousands. I'm at the same time writing in a message box the pros and cons of cut squares trying to understand why they have never excited the stamp collector as much as other areas. Are they boring? Difficult with their die variations? Postal Stationary enjoys popularity in Postal History with up-rating with stamps and rare cancels. Some hard core stamp collectors would even collect used Entires for select reasons but what are some reasons that a stamp collector would go after a lowly cut square? US cut squares have some huge catalog values but I rarely witness the sale of these items. Why is it you like or dislike Cut Squares? Positives: Never been soaked Rarely with thins Never pulled perfs On nice papers Resembles imperforates but with nice big margins Has many overprint varieties Has clear cancels because of flatness Has some unique designs Can be in combination with stamps Not much forgery No gum problems, maybe on registered flaps No hinged problems (or is hinging a problem?) Can contain the entire cancel Negatives: Not many series of denominations Not many commemorative designs Many designs lack the complexity of stamp designs Mostly one color So many cameos Margin problems and cancels cut away A mint cut square really isn't mint, now is it TL |
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Cut Squares of Postal Stationary
Thousand words say less as a picture, that is why you may look at them:
http://cjoint.com/?bqj7Vfu1NV http://cjoint.com/?bqkbheDXG6 Cut Squares would be equal at both. Mitja TL wrote: I'm going through a cut square collection. I seem to have hundreds if not thousands. I'm at the same time writing in a message box the pros and cons of cut squares trying to understand why they have never excited the stamp collector as much as other areas. Are they boring? Difficult with their die variations? Postal Stationary enjoys popularity in Postal History with up-rating with stamps and rare cancels. Some hard core stamp collectors would even collect used Entires for select reasons but what are some reasons that a stamp collector would go after a lowly cut square? US cut squares have some huge catalog values but I rarely witness the sale of these items. Why is it you like or dislike Cut Squares? Positives: Never been soaked Rarely with thins Never pulled perfs On nice papers Resembles imperforates but with nice big margins Has many overprint varieties Has clear cancels because of flatness Has some unique designs Can be in combination with stamps Not much forgery No gum problems, maybe on registered flaps No hinged problems (or is hinging a problem?) Can contain the entire cancel Negatives: Not many series of denominations Not many commemorative designs Many designs lack the complexity of stamp designs Mostly one color So many cameos Margin problems and cancels cut away A mint cut square really isn't mint, now is it TL |
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Cut Squares of Postal Stationary
Completely off-the-wall - but how would one collect an unused
cut-square postal stationery stamp,subsequently stuck on an envelope and used to post it ( as some countries allow) ? As a postmark collector I weep at the number of rare early postmarks which must have been thrown away with inwanted cut-outs. Malcolm MJancar wrote: Thousand words say less as a picture, that is why you may look at them: http://cjoint.com/?bqj7Vfu1NV http://cjoint.com/?bqkbheDXG6 Cut Squares would be equal at both. Mitja TL wrote: I'm going through a cut square collection. I seem to have hundreds if not thousands. I'm at the same time writing in a message box the pros and cons of cut squares trying to understand why they have never excited the stamp collector as much as other areas. Are they boring? Difficult with their die variations? Postal Stationary enjoys popularity in Postal History with up-rating with stamps and rare cancels. Some hard core stamp collectors would even collect used Entires for select reasons but what are some reasons that a stamp collector would go after a lowly cut square? US cut squares have some huge catalog values but I rarely witness the sale of these items. Why is it you like or dislike Cut Squares? Positives: Never been soaked Rarely with thins Never pulled perfs On nice papers Resembles imperforates but with nice big margins Has many overprint varieties Has clear cancels because of flatness Has some unique designs Can be in combination with stamps Not much forgery No gum problems, maybe on registered flaps No hinged problems (or is hinging a problem?) Can contain the entire cancel Negatives: Not many series of denominations Not many commemorative designs Many designs lack the complexity of stamp designs Mostly one color So many cameos Margin problems and cancels cut away A mint cut square really isn't mint, now is it TL |
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