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Are we falling down on the job of collecting?
"mazorj" wrote in message ... "note.boy" wrote in message ... "mazorj" wrote in message ... "Bruce Remick" wrote in message ... "oly" wrote in message ... On Feb 7, 10:42 am, "Bruce Remick" wrote: snips If you've gotten back far more than your contributions and any possible earnings over the years, call your current checks what you may. And yes, you are being intellectually dishonest - the money has to come from somebody else (even if it is only from those in your pension system that died prematurely - before recieving their monies back in full). ____________ When I signed up, the possibility of getting back more than I put in was trumped at the time by some private companies where employees didn't have to contribute at all to their retirement or health care. It still was meant as an incentive to encourage federal employees to stay on, unlike today where few people will ever stay their career with the same employer. All money we receive basically comes from somebody else, like the GM employees' generous retirement which comes from the inflated price GM charges us taxpayers for its cars. Worker health care and pensions have to come from somewhere. Here we've done it by collective bargaining for those benefits, so the cost is passed directly to the buyer. Many foreign governments subsidize the manufacturing cost of their cars and other goods by providing universal pensions and health care paid for by all their taxpayers. As the old motor oil commercial once put it, "You pays me now, or you pays me later." Neither method is inherently good or evil, it's a question of which works best in a given economy and culture. The only way to not pay sooner or later is to eliminate the pensions and health care. Is that what we really want? A government could always start a flu epidemic similar to the one at the end of WWI which killed millions of old people, this is not necessarily a suggestion but if one suddenly breaks out the conspiracy people will have a new one to ponder over. Billy Conspiracymongers don't need no stinkin' epidemic to start wagging their tongues. Gold id up? It's a conspiracy, sheeple! Gold is down? It's a conspiracy, sheeple! A hurricane hit New Orleans? It's a conspiracy, dammit! The sun rose in the east again? It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! You need an extra layer on your tin foil hat. :-) Billy |
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OT - Are we falling down on the job of collecting?
"mazorj" wrote in message ... "Bruce Remick" wrote in message ... "mazorj" wrote in message ... "oly" wrote in message ... On Feb 8, 6:43 am, "note.boy" wrote: ... A government could always start a flu epidemic similar to the one at the end of WWI which killed millions of old people, this is not necessarily a suggestion but if one suddenly breaks out the conspiracy people will have a new one to ponder over. Billy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The conspiracy people are already doing so, over various bird and swine flu. Vietnam, China, some parts of Africa have had some virulent, but isolated, outbreaks already. It's about time that all you sheeple broke that code. There's a building in the southeast corner of Ft. Detrick, MD where they've cooked up every outbreak of polio, bird and swine flu, SARS, and AIDS, not to mention virulent new forms of psoriasis and teenage acne. Thankfully, I am immune to teenage acne. They used to run their ebola virus operation out of a building on Einstein Square in Reston, VA, but the monkeys escaped and they had to raze the building, which was right across the street from a heavily frequented Mcdonald's. There's a completely new building on the site now, occupied by a tech company. You may THINK it's an innocent tech company. There's no such thing in NoVA. There's a 3-mile stretch of road near my former office that in addition to the ebola site has seven buildings surrounded by boulders or concrete-filled steel barrier pipes to block car bombs, most are surrounded with razor-wire fencing, and all have armed guards at the controlled entrances, many of which have steel spike or plate barriers guarding the entry and exit lanes. Of course, there are no names showing anywhere. That's in addition to the endless warrens of office buildings with cryptic company names like "Omega Corporation" or "Global Strategic Services". As far as you can tell, they're legitimate high-tech companies but it would be a great way to hide a clandestine operation right out in plain view. Ya think? |
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Are we falling down on the job of collecting?
On Feb 8, 11:10*am, "note.boy" wrote:
"mazorj" wrote in message ... "note.boy" wrote in message ... "mazorj" wrote in message .. . "Bruce Remick" wrote in message ... "oly" wrote in message ... On Feb 7, 10:42 am, "Bruce Remick" wrote: snips If you've gotten back far more than your contributions and any possible earnings over the years, call your current checks what you may. *And yes, you are being intellectually dishonest - the money has to come from somebody else (even if it is only from those in your pension system that died prematurely - before recieving their monies back in full). ____________ When I signed up, the possibility of getting back more than I put in was trumped at the time by some private companies where employees didn't have to contribute at all to their retirement or health care. It still was meant as an incentive to encourage federal employees to stay on, unlike today where few people will ever stay their career with the same employer. All money we receive basically comes from somebody else, like the GM employees' generous retirement which comes from the inflated price GM charges us taxpayers for its cars. Worker health care and pensions have to come from somewhere. *Here we've done it by collective bargaining for those benefits, so the cost is passed directly to the buyer. *Many foreign governments subsidize the manufacturing cost of their cars and other goods by providing universal pensions and health care paid for by all their taxpayers. As the old motor oil commercial once put it, "You pays me now, or you pays me later." Neither method is inherently good or evil, it's a question of which works best in a given economy and culture. *The only way to not pay sooner or later is to eliminate the pensions and health care. *Is that what we really want? A government could always start a flu epidemic similar to the one at the end of WWI which killed millions of old people, this is not necessarily a suggestion but if one suddenly breaks out the conspiracy people will have a new one to ponder over. *Billy Conspiracymongers don't need no stinkin' epidemic to start wagging their tongues. *Gold id up? *It's a conspiracy, sheeple! *Gold is down? *It's a conspiracy, sheeple! *A hurricane hit New Orleans? *It's a conspiracy, dammit! *The sun rose in the east again? *It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! You need an extra layer on your tin foil hat. *:-) *Billy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Always remember, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out to get you! oly |
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Are we falling down on the job of collecting?
"note.boy" wrote in message ... "mazorj" wrote in message ... "note.boy" wrote in message ... "mazorj" wrote in message ... "Bruce Remick" wrote in message ... "oly" wrote in message ... On Feb 7, 10:42 am, "Bruce Remick" wrote: snips If you've gotten back far more than your contributions and any possible earnings over the years, call your current checks what you may. And yes, you are being intellectually dishonest - the money has to come from somebody else (even if it is only from those in your pension system that died prematurely - before recieving their monies back in full). ____________ When I signed up, the possibility of getting back more than I put in was trumped at the time by some private companies where employees didn't have to contribute at all to their retirement or health care. It still was meant as an incentive to encourage federal employees to stay on, unlike today where few people will ever stay their career with the same employer. All money we receive basically comes from somebody else, like the GM employees' generous retirement which comes from the inflated price GM charges us taxpayers for its cars. Worker health care and pensions have to come from somewhere. Here we've done it by collective bargaining for those benefits, so the cost is passed directly to the buyer. Many foreign governments subsidize the manufacturing cost of their cars and other goods by providing universal pensions and health care paid for by all their taxpayers. As the old motor oil commercial once put it, "You pays me now, or you pays me later." Neither method is inherently good or evil, it's a question of which works best in a given economy and culture. The only way to not pay sooner or later is to eliminate the pensions and health care. Is that what we really want? A government could always start a flu epidemic similar to the one at the end of WWI which killed millions of old people, this is not necessarily a suggestion but if one suddenly breaks out the conspiracy people will have a new one to ponder over. Billy Conspiracymongers don't need no stinkin' epidemic to start wagging their tongues. Gold id up? It's a conspiracy, sheeple! Gold is down? It's a conspiracy, sheeple! A hurricane hit New Orleans? It's a conspiracy, dammit! The sun rose in the east again? It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! You need an extra layer on your tin foil hat. :-) Billy Heh, heh - from your side of the pond: http://eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php |
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Are we falling down on the job of collecting?
"mazorj" wrote in message ... "note.boy" wrote in message ... "mazorj" wrote in message ... "note.boy" wrote in message ... "mazorj" wrote in message ... "Bruce Remick" wrote in message ... "oly" wrote in message ... On Feb 7, 10:42 am, "Bruce Remick" wrote: snips If you've gotten back far more than your contributions and any possible earnings over the years, call your current checks what you may. And yes, you are being intellectually dishonest - the money has to come from somebody else (even if it is only from those in your pension system that died prematurely - before recieving their monies back in full). ____________ When I signed up, the possibility of getting back more than I put in was trumped at the time by some private companies where employees didn't have to contribute at all to their retirement or health care. It still was meant as an incentive to encourage federal employees to stay on, unlike today where few people will ever stay their career with the same employer. All money we receive basically comes from somebody else, like the GM employees' generous retirement which comes from the inflated price GM charges us taxpayers for its cars. Worker health care and pensions have to come from somewhere. Here we've done it by collective bargaining for those benefits, so the cost is passed directly to the buyer. Many foreign governments subsidize the manufacturing cost of their cars and other goods by providing universal pensions and health care paid for by all their taxpayers. As the old motor oil commercial once put it, "You pays me now, or you pays me later." Neither method is inherently good or evil, it's a question of which works best in a given economy and culture. The only way to not pay sooner or later is to eliminate the pensions and health care. Is that what we really want? A government could always start a flu epidemic similar to the one at the end of WWI which killed millions of old people, this is not necessarily a suggestion but if one suddenly breaks out the conspiracy people will have a new one to ponder over. Billy Conspiracymongers don't need no stinkin' epidemic to start wagging their tongues. Gold id up? It's a conspiracy, sheeple! Gold is down? It's a conspiracy, sheeple! A hurricane hit New Orleans? It's a conspiracy, dammit! The sun rose in the east again? It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! You need an extra layer on your tin foil hat. :-) Billy Heh, heh - from your side of the pond: http://eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php I am greatly concerned that you can supply a link like that, better make it two extra layers. Billy |
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Are we falling down on the job of collecting?
"note.boy" wrote in message ... "mazorj" wrote in message ... "note.boy" wrote in message ... "mazorj" wrote in message ... .... Conspiracymongers don't need no stinkin' epidemic to start wagging their tongues. Gold id up? It's a conspiracy, sheeple! Gold is down? It's a conspiracy, sheeple! A hurricane hit New Orleans? It's a conspiracy, dammit! The sun rose in the east again? It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! You need an extra layer on your tin foil hat. :-) Billy Heh, heh - from your side of the pond: http://eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php I am greatly concerned that you can supply a link like that, better make it two extra layers. Billy I was googling for a parody page put up years ago by Harvard students that discussed the tin foil hat in mock academic terms. We frequently used that link on a newsgroup that attracted more than its fair share of conspirowacko types. Couldn't find it but this popped up. |
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