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wrote in message oups.com... Hi, So to go back to the original question of the poster - Is a 5th Printing of a 1st Edition considered a 1st Edition? I usually collect books that say "First Edition" together with the complete number line - "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10" This to me is a TRUE 1st Edition. A 5th Printing of a 1st Edition is not a 1st Edition for me. Argue all you want but I think this is not the same as a complete number line. So please try to answer the poster's question before you insult his knowledge. Because I think even the so called experts here were once also novice. A 5th Printing of a 1st Edition is technically a 1st Edition. If you were taking a class and needed a copy of the first edition for your course work, the 5th printing would be just as acceptable as the 1st, because all of the text would be the same. As "bookeditions" has explained elsewhere in the thread, a first edition remains a first edition through multiple printings as long as there are no changes to the text. Book collectors, however, have created a special case for the unqualified term 1st edition, and among knowledgeable book buyers and sellers, the term 1st edition without further explanation means 1st edition 1st printing. The thing is, as a buyer, you can't assume an eBay seller is knowledgeable, so more information is better. In my opinion, the auction seller was both technically correct and admirably precise in his description. Just because his book isn't necessarily a collectible printing doesn't mean he shouldn't tell people exactly what he is offering. His method of doing so, with edition and printing clearly stated, and the number line cited to boot, follows the conventions of both the collecting and the non-collecting traditions. The only quibble I have is that he shouldn't have highlighted "1st" in the title. It's misleading to collectors, and if the seller concentrates on that market, his potential customers will be annoyed with him for wasting their time. Alice -- Book collecting terms illustrated. Occasional books for sale. http://www.mywingsbooks.com/ |
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I'll bet fewer people would ever open it. That's what I'm suggesting is less than honest... The seller was completely honest in his description. Nothing in the least bit dishonest. -- Bob Finnan http://bobfinnan.com |
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Francis A. Miniter wrote: Wildwood wrote: , we accidentally replaced your heart with a baked potato. You have about three seconds to live. Hi, here is the original ebay link http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=6946446270 on top it says: Special Attributes : 1st Edition Which was truthful... which was what led me to the link because I was looking for a 1st edition. And you found one... just not the one you were looking for. ;-) Bill From The Antique Traders Book Collector's Price Guide. Iola, WI: Krause Publications, 2003. "So, when you say, 'first edition' you are basically talking about the first appearance of a piece of writing in book form. Ideally, you want the first printing, the first state, complete as it was issued (with errata slips, dust jacket etc.) This is important to the collector in the same way an original painting is important to an art collector. It represents the first appearance in the real world of the piece of writing." Francis A. Miniter Truly serious collectors come to blows over whether it is the copy with the first pages off the press or the first to be bound which is more desirable. Matthew Hill |
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my information says that a 1st edition should have the No. 1 on the line information part 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 .... When oh when are these newbies going to learn the difference between 1st editions and 1st printings? -- Bob Finnan http://bobfinnan.com |
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"Matthew Hill" wrote...
Truly serious collectors come to blows over whether it is the copy with the first pages off the press or the first to be bound which is more desirable. Yeah, I beat the crap out of one of those First-Bounders yesterday. "It's not really a book until it appears between covers," he whined. "Print quality! Print quality! Print quality!" I screamed as I snatched his copy of Carter's ABC from his hands and used it to smack him down. -- Jon Meyers (BTW-- FS: One copy of Carter's ABC, 5th edition, later printing. Corners badly bumped, few reddish-brown stains, jacket ripped--else fine.) (To reply, lose your way) |
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Having finally seen the actual ad the OP was talking about, I'm amazed
that the book went for so much money. It really isn't *that* collectible as a Fifth Printing, is it? And yet, an Eighth Printing is--even as I type--going for still more! I think the seller knew exactly what he had, presented it quite clearly (as can now be seen), and sat back to make his sale. (I don't pay any attention to Bob's snarkiness--he's rude to everybody.) |
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Wildwood wrote: francis m wrote: "So, when you say, 'first edition' you are basically talking about the first appearance of a piece of writing in book form. Ideally, you want the first printing, the first state, complete as it was issued (with errata slips, dust jacket etc.) This is important to the collector in the same way an original painting is important to an art collector. It represents the first appearance in the real world of the piece of writing." Not meaning to sound sarcastic, but do you *really* expect that to apply to eBay listings? Bubba the seller has no idea what professional book dealers consider first editions. All he knows is that the book is a first edition "'cuz it sayz sew rit 'chere" and points at the copyright page . And shouldn't he? eBay has no information that I can find anywhere about when to apply the "special attributes" like first edition, and there sure as heck is no information on distinguishing different printings or editions. I'm just impressed that the listing included number line information... that's more information than many sellers bother with. actually, the last paragraph wildwood quoted from the listing [i.e. the number line] is what makes me suspicious about the seller's supposed naivete. the fact that the seller knew enough, and was careful enough, to quote the number line makes me think that he/she does know the difference between publishers' use of the term first edition and collectors' use of the term, and that the mixup was intentional. the seller wanted the listing to be technically accurate but misleading, and hoped the buyer wouldn't tell the difference. chiwito |
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"fundoc" writes:
wrote in message oups.com... hi, i saw this on ebay.com. it states that it is a 1st edition but the description says: Published by : Scholastic Published Year: 1995 Print Edition / Impression: 5th has the number line 6 8 10 9 7 5 on copyright page (see photo) if the lowest number is 5 how can it be a 1st edition? Could be that publisher uses a Base 4 numerical system. No, it couldn't. If the publisher used base 4, they would not be using the digits 5 through 9, just as in base 10 that we use everyday there is no single digit that means 11. The fifth printing would be represented as 11: 1 group of four plus 1 group of one. -- Patrick |
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the seller wanted the listing to be technically accurate but misleading, and hoped the buyer wouldn't tell the difference. Hey Karnak, please tell us more of your great psychic abilities! -- Bob Finnan http://bobfinnan.com |
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I think this seller knew exactly what he was doing and very cleverly if
not ethically made out in the heading that the book was a true First Edition and then hoping some mug would come along and not read or understand the full description showing it was a fifth printing. Apparently some mug did come along. I dont understand why the seller has private feedback presumably because it isnt good. Also, would be interested to know whether the some of the other books he is selling ie the American Editions are indeed First Editions. ASD |
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