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12/9/2003 12:37 PM
Tracy Barber wrote in message ... On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:37:33 +0100, "Mette" wrote: Tony, I don't understand you. Do you mean to say that the sheet on the cover I show is a CTO? He thinks so. It's not quite exactly the same position on the left 2 cancels, if one looks close enough. The canceller would have to be very, very good to place them where they are though... I suppose that it could be done! I suppose it could be done, but the fact is that the sheet has been used to frank a cover carrying expres-mail from Ireland to Denmark ... Besides, a CTO for me would mean that it was CTOd on the date of issue, not one month after the actual issue. I don't know the actual date of issue for this sheet -- could find it out, though -- but I do know that it was sometime in September 2003, whereas the sheet is postmarked in October in a small village in the Irish countryside. None of the four postmarks are placed in exactly the same position. Postmark 1 top left has the 'H' in ATHA placed directly right of the perforation of the top left stamp. Postmark 2 top left has the same 'H' placed directly left of the perforation of the top right stamp. Postmark 3 bottom left has the number '7' placed in the middle of the perforation between stamp 1 and 2 in the third row. Postmark 4 bottom right has the number '7' placed slightly left of the perforation between stamp 3 and 4 in the third row. Similar sheets were issued in 2002 and 2001. I have also the 2002-sheet used on cover in 2003, where the difference between the four hand-cancels is even more visible. I don't think they were originally CTOd and then used afterwards for carrying an expres-cover to Denmark. I think they are neatly hand-cancelled. Mette I agree, Mette. And with the right type of cancellation device (not a hammer, but a self-inking rubber stamp device, placement can be quite precise. I myself recently hand-cancelled some covers at the main post office in Vancouver, and the result looked very nice. With a bit more care, I could probably do much the same as was done on your sheet. Bob |
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12/9/2003 1:35 PM
12/9/2003 12:37 PM Tracy Barber wrote in message ... On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:37:33 +0100, "Mette" wrote: Tony, I don't understand you. Do you mean to say that the sheet on the cover I show is a CTO? He thinks so. It's not quite exactly the same position on the left 2 cancels, if one looks close enough. The canceller would have to be very, very good to place them where they are though... I suppose that it could be done! I had a thought! Yay! How about asking the person who mailed the package? :^) Bob |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:17:04 GMT, Bob Ingraham
wrote: 12/9/2003 1:35 PM 12/9/2003 12:37 PM Tracy Barber wrote in message ... On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:37:33 +0100, "Mette" wrote: Tony, I don't understand you. Do you mean to say that the sheet on the cover I show is a CTO? He thinks so. It's not quite exactly the same position on the left 2 cancels, if one looks close enough. The canceller would have to be very, very good to place them where they are though... I suppose that it could be done! I had a thought! Yay! How about asking the person who mailed the package? :^) Um, utterly brilliant, boB! :^P You do come through in a pinch! --- :^P :^P :^P Tracy Barber |
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Bob Ingraham wrote in message
... 12/9/2003 1:35 PM 12/9/2003 12:37 PM Tracy Barber wrote in message ... On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:37:33 +0100, "Mette" wrote: Tony, I don't understand you. Do you mean to say that the sheet on the cover I show is a CTO? He thinks so. It's not quite exactly the same position on the left 2 cancels, if one looks close enough. The canceller would have to be very, very good to place them where they are though... I suppose that it could be done! I had a thought! Yay! How about asking the person who mailed the package? :^) Excellent boB, excellent! I thought this was "given" within the whole case. D'ya want his name and return address ;-) etteM |
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No, Mette, I meant that the cancellation was done at the same time as the
printing of the stamps. Take a good look at the position of the postmarks on the stamps. There is no way that a person hand cancelling the stamps can place it at the same exact place four times on the sheetlet. Perhaps a better phrase will be Pre-cancelled. This does not mean that the sheetlet does not exist without the cancellation. Tony "Mette" wrote in message ... Tony, I don't understand you. Do you mean to say that the sheet on the cover I show is a CTO? Mette A.E. Gelat wrote in message ... Close examination of the postmarks shows them perfectly centered over four stamps, four times in the sheetlet. This can only happen if they were applied at the time of priming. Tony "Mette" wrote in message ... Bob Ingraham wrote in message ... - snip - If a postal clerk cancels a stamp at the request of a customer, the resulting stamp is said to have been "favour cancelled". It may look like a CTO, but isn't. Good point, Bob. A couple of months ago I received this impressive expres-cover from Ireland, franked with a whole sheet of AnPost's latest art issue. The cover is cancelled on 11th October 2003, in Baile Atha Cliath, Ireland. http://w1.1429.telia.com/~u142900356...-ArtSheet1.jpg The cover is so big that it can't go into my scanner. If I had the nerve to soak off this sheet, it would be considered a CTO. Who would know the difference, since many CTOs are often soaked in order to make believe that they were postally used? The stamps show paintings on stamps by James Barry, Gabriel Metsu and Jean-Antoine Watteau, that have just been exhibited at the National Gallery of Ireland. Apart from the documents carried in this cover, it also contained a MNH-sheet + a prestige-booklet of the same paintings, with full info about the paintings, the artists, and the exhibition as such. Mette |
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Further to my reply below, and after reading all the comments, I took a
second look at the sheetlet. Close examination does show minute deviations from one block of four to another. But all that means is that the Pre-cancel was done at a later time, not during the original printing of the stamps. It is like an overprint, and the setting might show minor displacements on a sheet. Tony "A.E. Gelat" wrote in message news:... No, Mette, I meant that the cancellation was done at the same time as the printing of the stamps. Take a good look at the position of the postmarks on the stamps. There is no way that a person hand cancelling the stamps can place it at the same exact place four times on the sheetlet. Perhaps a better phrase will be Pre-cancelled. This does not mean that the sheetlet does not exist without the cancellation. Tony "Mette" wrote in message ... Tony, I don't understand you. Do you mean to say that the sheet on the cover I show is a CTO? Mette A.E. Gelat wrote in message ... Close examination of the postmarks shows them perfectly centered over four stamps, four times in the sheetlet. This can only happen if they were applied at the time of priming. Tony "Mette" wrote in message ... Bob Ingraham wrote in message ... - snip - If a postal clerk cancels a stamp at the request of a customer, the resulting stamp is said to have been "favour cancelled". It may look like a CTO, but isn't. Good point, Bob. A couple of months ago I received this impressive expres-cover from Ireland, franked with a whole sheet of AnPost's latest art issue. The cover is cancelled on 11th October 2003, in Baile Atha Cliath, Ireland. http://w1.1429.telia.com/~u142900356...-ArtSheet1.jpg The cover is so big that it can't go into my scanner. If I had the nerve to soak off this sheet, it would be considered a CTO. Who would know the difference, since many CTOs are often soaked in order to make believe that they were postally used? The stamps show paintings on stamps by James Barry, Gabriel Metsu and Jean-Antoine Watteau, that have just been exhibited at the National Gallery of Ireland. Apart from the documents carried in this cover, it also contained a MNH-sheet + a prestige-booklet of the same paintings, with full info about the paintings, the artists, and the exhibition as such. Mette |
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| There may be a dozen or so dusky maidens on Nauru, but definitely no | on Pitcairn! :^) Ummm Yes, you're right! ( I am claiming a "senior moment") They were dusky maidens, that's about all I got right. :0( They were from St. Vincent and they are supposedly cancelling FDC's ..........Funny looking FDC's see what you think.......... http://groups.msn.com/Stamps/shoebox...to&PhotoID=161 |
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:58:10 +0800, "Rodney"
wrote: | There may be a dozen or so dusky maidens on Nauru, but definitely no | on Pitcairn! :^) Ummm Yes, you're right! ( I am claiming a "senior moment") They were dusky maidens, that's about all I got right. :0( They were from St. Vincent and they are supposedly cancelling FDC's .........Funny looking FDC's see what you think.......... http://groups.msn.com/Stamps/shoebox...to&PhotoID=161 Ahhh, the old "St. Vincent FDC Club" bait and swithc routine, eh? That's probably where all Nauru and Pitcairn get their FDcs canceled! --- :^P Tracy Barber |
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I don't think it is a cto, just cancelled by a very conscientious postal
worker... kk "Mette" wrote in message ... Tony, I don't understand you. Do you mean to say that the sheet on the cover I show is a CTO? Mette --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 05/12/2003 |
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:52:49 +0800, "Rodney"
wrote: | In 50 years of collecting, I have never heard of Indian CTO stamps. | There are tons of postally used - why the need for CTO? Have you | ever seen any? Hi Blair, How about these? http://groups.msn.com/Stamps/shoebox...to&PhotoID=160 If not CTO, how would one describe them? FD Cancel? Was it printed on orcancelled? -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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