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Old April 24th 04, 08:33 AM
Peter Paul de Jong
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Hi everyone!

Can anybody tell me if a lot of counterfeits exist of the Hong Kong 1866 1
dollar coin? If so, how can you distinguish the difference from a real one?
Or can anyone tell me more about where these counterfeits come from?

best regards,

Peter Paul de Jong


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Old April 24th 04, 10:48 AM
Ian
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Peter Paul de Jong wrote:

Hi everyone!

Can anybody tell me if a lot of counterfeits exist of the Hong Kong 1866 1
dollar coin? If so, how can you distinguish the difference from a real one?
Or can anyone tell me more about where these counterfeits come from?

best regards,

Peter Paul de Jong


I must say that I have never come across a counterfeit of this
particular coin. That is not to say they don't exist, just that if they
do, they are not common (at least ...not yet!). The HK dollar is getting
into the `specialist' field, and although it is not particularly
difficult to get hold of one, people actively seeking them are likely to
be able to determine whether or not they are the real McCoy. It is not
a coin Ii would think that a counterfeiter is going to profit by
manufacturing. There are far better coins to dabble with.

Do you think that you might have a counterfeit? If so what is it about
the coin that makes you doubt its authenticity? Something grab you as
being `not quite right'? It's feel? appearance? density?

If you have such a coin / counterfeit, I would really appreciate seeing
a good quality scan of it.


Ian
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Old April 24th 04, 03:08 PM
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Because so many counterfeit coins are coming out of China these days, a Hong
Kong dollar would be a good coin to be suspicious of. It doesn't matter how
valuable a coin is; if they have an original, they will duplicate it. I have
seen a counterfeit modern Swiss one franc piece that came out of a group of
coins bought in the Orient.
Tom DeLorey
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Subject: HONG KONG 1 dollar 1866 falsification
From: Ian
Date: 4/24/2004 4:48 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Peter Paul de Jong wrote:

Hi everyone!

Can anybody tell me if a lot of counterfeits exist of the Hong Kong 1866 1
dollar coin? If so, how can you distinguish the difference from a real one?
Or can anyone tell me more about where these counterfeits come from?

best regards,

Peter Paul de Jong


I must say that I have never come across a counterfeit of this
particular coin. That is not to say they don't exist, just that if they
do, they are not common (at least ...not yet!). The HK dollar is getting
into the `specialist' field, and although it is not particularly
difficult to get hold of one, people actively seeking them are likely to
be able to determine whether or not they are the real McCoy. It is not
a coin Ii would think that a counterfeiter is going to profit by
manufacturing. There are far better coins to dabble with.

Do you think that you might have a counterfeit? If so what is it about
the coin that makes you doubt its authenticity? Something grab you as
being `not quite right'? It's feel? appearance? density?

If you have such a coin / counterfeit, I would really appreciate seeing
a good quality scan of it.


Ian








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Old April 24th 04, 03:49 PM
Ian
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I wouldn't disagree at all with what you say. While it is always prudent
and good sense to check out any coin, (ie do not take it for granted as
being genuine), I would suspect that most collectors of world crowns
would spot a `fake' one quite readily, although with modern c/f's it is
becoming increasingly difficult to do so if the coin isn't available for
visual inspection.

IMHO it is only collectors of world crowns that are likely to come
across a real one of these. People who know what they are looking for
and are on the lookout for them. They generally don't stay on the market
for very long when they do appear....unless they are unreasonably priced.

There will always be a problem with people who are out of their relative
collector depth / knowledge being presented with a `once in a lifetime
opportunity' such as a fake presented as being genuine and at `a price
you can't (but should) refuse'.

Ian




TomDeLorey wrote:

Because so many counterfeit coins are coming out of China these days, a Hong
Kong dollar would be a good coin to be suspicious of. It doesn't matter how
valuable a coin is; if they have an original, they will duplicate it. I have
seen a counterfeit modern Swiss one franc piece that came out of a group of
coins bought in the Orient.
Tom DeLorey
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Subject: HONG KONG 1 dollar 1866 falsification
From: Ian
Date: 4/24/2004 4:48 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Peter Paul de Jong wrote:


Hi everyone!

Can anybody tell me if a lot of counterfeits exist of the Hong Kong 1866 1
dollar coin? If so, how can you distinguish the difference from a real one?
Or can anyone tell me more about where these counterfeits come from?

best regards,

Peter Paul de Jong



I must say that I have never come across a counterfeit of this
particular coin. That is not to say they don't exist, just that if they
do, they are not common (at least ...not yet!). The HK dollar is getting
into the `specialist' field, and although it is not particularly
difficult to get hold of one, people actively seeking them are likely to
be able to determine whether or not they are the real McCoy. It is not
a coin Ii would think that a counterfeiter is going to profit by
manufacturing. There are far better coins to dabble with.

Do you think that you might have a counterfeit? If so what is it about
the coin that makes you doubt its authenticity? Something grab you as
being `not quite right'? It's feel? appearance? density?

If you have such a coin / counterfeit, I would really appreciate seeing
a good quality scan of it.


Ian









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Old April 25th 04, 10:55 PM
Peter Paul de Jong
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At first look it didn't look suspicious to me. It's just that I bought it in
a coinshop in Madrid where I picked it out of a small basket with "genuine"
coins. Such baskets where you pick silver crown size coins for 6 euros each.
When I came home I checked it in the catalogue and saw the regular prices
for these coins. The moment I notice a difference of 150 dollars in
accordance to what I have paid, I get suspicious, even if the coin looks
genuine. I don't believe in simple luck anymore....
In Spain you find a lot of falsifications on (flee)markets of crown sized 5
pesetas-coins but those you recognize very easily. I was just wondering if
of this particular coin, falsifications were common.

Peter Paul


"Ian" schreef in bericht
...
I wouldn't disagree at all with what you say. While it is always prudent
and good sense to check out any coin, (ie do not take it for granted as
being genuine), I would suspect that most collectors of world crowns
would spot a `fake' one quite readily, although with modern c/f's it is
becoming increasingly difficult to do so if the coin isn't available for
visual inspection.

IMHO it is only collectors of world crowns that are likely to come
across a real one of these. People who know what they are looking for
and are on the lookout for them. They generally don't stay on the market
for very long when they do appear....unless they are unreasonably priced.

There will always be a problem with people who are out of their relative
collector depth / knowledge being presented with a `once in a lifetime
opportunity' such as a fake presented as being genuine and at `a price
you can't (but should) refuse'.

Ian




TomDeLorey wrote:

Because so many counterfeit coins are coming out of China these days, a

Hong
Kong dollar would be a good coin to be suspicious of. It doesn't matter

how
valuable a coin is; if they have an original, they will duplicate it. I

have
seen a counterfeit modern Swiss one franc piece that came out of a group

of
coins bought in the Orient.
Tom DeLorey
.

Subject: HONG KONG 1 dollar 1866 falsification
From: Ian
Date: 4/24/2004 4:48 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Peter Paul de Jong wrote:


Hi everyone!

Can anybody tell me if a lot of counterfeits exist of the Hong Kong

1866 1
dollar coin? If so, how can you distinguish the difference from a real

one?
Or can anyone tell me more about where these counterfeits come from?

best regards,

Peter Paul de Jong



I must say that I have never come across a counterfeit of this
particular coin. That is not to say they don't exist, just that if they
do, they are not common (at least ...not yet!). The HK dollar is getting
into the `specialist' field, and although it is not particularly
difficult to get hold of one, people actively seeking them are likely to
be able to determine whether or not they are the real McCoy. It is not
a coin Ii would think that a counterfeiter is going to profit by
manufacturing. There are far better coins to dabble with.

Do you think that you might have a counterfeit? If so what is it about
the coin that makes you doubt its authenticity? Something grab you as
being `not quite right'? It's feel? appearance? density?

If you have such a coin / counterfeit, I would really appreciate seeing
a good quality scan of it.


Ian











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Old January 30th 17, 03:03 AM posted to rec.collecting.coins
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I have an obvious fake 1866 Hong Kong dollar.....the give away? Edward VIi on the reverse.....of course it should be Victoria.....also the bust of Edward is quite amateurish.



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Old January 30th 17, 03:06 AM posted to rec.collecting.coins
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Yes I have a fake..... The person responsible obviously didn't know his history.... Edward VII was not King until Victoria died .....
 




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