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Bad news folks - artgallery10 is back - registered user
Now - are eBay complete idiots?
I have just been threatened by him via e-mail because I told him I was going to report him - he thinkgs that I am the person he copied the description from. All his shill accounts are still NARUed, but this fraud is reinstated. ARGHHHHHHHHHH Tom L-M |
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The correspondance that I have had with this idiot tonight is hilarious, its
pasted below but I will give a short introduction. After getting Narued 'cristian' e-mailed me thinking I had another username, the one he copied the description from. He then went through some barmy asertions - like I was this username or that username - then that i was a shill bidder - he demanded my username, which I didnt give him - if he wasnt so slow he would have realised that i e-mailed him an 'ask seller a question' using my username. Anyway, the rest is self evident - apologies for poor typing - i have a plastered finger: Cheers Tom L-M ----- Original Message ----- From: "cristian argesanu" To: "Tom L-M" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:23 PM Subject: HARRASING OTHER MEMBERS Thank you very much ! That's the information eBay was looking for. These gangs that are bidding on each other items. This "Newsgroup" rec.collecting books is the actual fraud on eBay.You are a gang of friends who are placing bids on each other auctions.Now I have the proof to show eBay that you are using shill bidding . I have all the emails and names I needed to send them .Thanks again. I'm sure eBay will be interested to look at all of your auctions.They have the emails and the names now. I'd just sent them the header from your email with the link you provided.Moreover you hacked in the eBay files that were supposed to be private.The informations you 've got from my account were accesible only to hackers they were supossed to be private .Thanks again --- Tom L-M wrote: More misconstrusions: I am actually talking about a discussion that we had on eBay about you and your accounts - and all the people that reported you - everyone knows now that your account is fraudulent. Take a look: http://tinyurl.com/gomb I have never used shill bidding - it seems that you are the master of this with your private auctions. ----- Original Message ----- From: "cristian argesanu" To: "Tom L-M" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 9:06 PM Subject: HARRASING OTHER MEMBERS SO YOU HAVE 20 COLLEGUES AND FRIENDS WHO ARE BIDDING ON EACH OTHER ITEMS RIGHT ? THAT'S CALLED SHILL BIDDING AND IT'S ILLEGAL ON EBAY . YOU WILL BE REPORTED FOR THIS TOO.YOU AND YOUR 20 FRIENDS SHOULD HAVE YOUR ACCOUNTS SUSPENDED FOR SHILL BIDDING.IT'S JUST NOT FAIR FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BIDDING ON YOUR ITEMS. --- Tom L-M wrote: Haha, you are perhaps the most immature person I have met on eBay. I would like to say that I have the backing of around 20 members of the rec.collecting.books newsgroup - take a look. ----- Original Message ----- From: "cristian argesanu" To: "Tom L-M" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 8:48 PM Subject: HARRASING OTHER MEMBERS FOR WHAT FOR TELLING THE TRUTH ?? YOU THREATENED ME PHISICALLY I HAVE THE EMAILS (MANY MANY OF THEM ) TO PROVE IT !YOU ARE DENGEROUS . A MENACE FOR EBAY COMMUNITY. --- Tom L-M wrote: Thats libellious and will be reported to eBay - I have not lied and I have never done a fraudulent thing in my life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "cristian argesanu" To: "Tom L-M" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: HARRASING OTHER MEMBERS SHUT UP YOU ARE A LIAR AND A FRAUD ! --- Tom L-M wrote: Did you know that you could be kicked off ebay for lying to them - when they find out that I am perfectly innocent they will kick you off for lying. I see that everything has turned out for the best after all! ----- Original Message ----- From: "cristian argesanu" To: "Tom L-M" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 8:21 PM Subject: HARRASING OTHER MEMBERS YOU ARE THE FRAUD . I'VE GOT EBAY TO LOOK IN YOUR ACCOUNT . WHAT YOU DID WAS SO LOW ESPECIALLY THAT YOU HAVE A BAD HISTORY LOL --- Tom L-M wrote: OK - however eBay will put 2 and 2 together and find out that because i got you NARUed (yes, i complained about your auctions, as they were fraudulent), you are trying to retaliate. They wont do anything - they dont help frauds. ----- Original Message ----- From: "cristian argesanu" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 8:14 PM Subject: HARRASING OTHER MEMBERS IMMEDIATE REPORT TO EBAY WILL FOLLOW ! "Tom" wrote in message ... Now - are eBay complete idiots? I have just been threatened by him via e-mail because I told him I was going to report him - he thinkgs that I am the person he copied the description from. All his shill accounts are still NARUed, but this fraud is reinstated. ARGHHHHHHHHHH Tom L-M |
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I think you would all be smarter to allow these frauds to go on and have the
sales made and then try and get either the buyer or maybe a class-action lawyer involved. Only lawsuits will bring E-bay to a position where it will police it's own sales. E-Bay could easily take action by more closely supervising any sale that goes over $100, but if you guys continue to act as their unpaid police force, why would they bother. Cheers, Randy -- Tom wrote in message ... Now - are eBay complete idiots? I have just been threatened by him via e-mail because I told him I was going to report him - he thinkgs that I am the person he copied the description from. All his shill accounts are still NARUed, but this fraud is reinstated. ARGHHHHHHHHHH Tom L-M |
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Kris Baker wrote in message .. . Randy, do you know how much it would cost eBay to "supervise" $100+ sales? I don't know. More than a couple of one hundred million dollar class-action lawsuits? More than fighting a RICO charge? if they still have such things. If you see a rape or bank robbery, do you report it (or do you just sit back and watch, because you're not the "unpaid police force"). Society in general is self-policing. This is a rape or burglery that is happening on someone's private property, I would expect the owner's of the property to take notice first. Either they should police their own site or it should be shut down permanently. That is what society does with a bar that is given to rape and robbery, is it not? Cheers, Randy |
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"Randy Burns" wrote in message ... Kris Baker wrote in message .. . Randy, do you know how much it would cost eBay to "supervise" $100+ sales? I don't know. More than a couple of one hundred million dollar class-action lawsuits? More than fighting a RICO charge? if they still have such things. RICO? Egads. You'll have to start with the ads in your local newspaper (after all, they don't "supervise" them)....and then move on to the late-night infomercials If you see a rape or bank robbery, do you report it (or do you just sit back and watch, because you're not the "unpaid police force"). Society in general is self-policing. This is a rape or burglery that is happening on someone's private property, I would expect the owner's of the property to take notice first. Either they should police their own site or it should be shut down permanently. That is what society does with a bar that is given to rape and robbery, is it not? Cheers, Randy You *are* aware of what you just typed? It's OK to watch, because you're not responsible to call the cops -- because it's not your property? I feel quite sorry for any female acquaintances and relatives you have. Kris |
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"MindElec" wrote in message ... snip makes one wonder what he got NARU'd for/ i got this from ebay today. "Hello, Thank you for writing to eBay's SafeHarbor Department about a member who has false contact information. We understand your concern and will investigate this situation as soon as possible, usually within 24 hours. I have forwarded this email to our fraud department. We understand how important it is that every eBay user has valid contact information. There are some instances where a member may have forgotten to update their information after a move or change of phone number. We will work closely with the member you are reporting over the next day or so to ensure the matter is brought to his or her attention. snip Like EVERY other email I've ever gotten from eBay support, this has nothing whatsoever to do with what you reported. It makes me wonder if eBay support even exists, or whether it's some kind of primative bot that spits out random replies based on keywords found in the customer email. --gary |
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About a year ago I turned in a seller for using shill bidders. I thought
it was obvious and said so to safeharbor. It is the general rule that one receives a form answer from ebay and then, later, an answer to the complaint. In this case the form response was not received within 48 hours so I sent a second complaint identical to the first. The second did get the form response. The following then happened: 1) It turned out that the first complaint was in fact received. The person who handled it replied that there were no indications whatsoever that shill bidding was involved and implied that I had made a false complaint. 2) One day later another person replied, using the second complaint, and said that it was obvious that shill bidding was involved and that the seller had been suspended. The suspension lasted for 30 days. Complaints about counterfeit or false items being sold are almost always met, on the other hand, with the canned response that law enforcement should be notified. In other words, ebay will do nothing and you won't be able to either. This may well be the case with artgallery10 . RW Julian fiziwig wrote: "MindElec" wrote in message .. . snip makes one wonder what he got NARU'd for/ i got this from ebay today. "Hello, Thank you for writing to eBay's SafeHarbor Department about a member who has false contact information. We understand your concern and will investigate this situation as soon as possible, usually within 24 hours. I have forwarded this email to our fraud department. We understand how important it is that every eBay user has valid contact information. There are some instances where a member may have forgotten to update their information after a move or change of phone number. We will work closely with the member you are reporting over the next day or so to ensure the matter is brought to his or her attention. snip Like EVERY other email I've ever gotten from eBay support, this has nothing whatsoever to do with what you reported. It makes me wonder if eBay support even exists, or whether it's some kind of primative bot that spits out random replies based on keywords found in the customer email. --gary |
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"RW Julian" wrote in message ... About a year ago I turned in a seller for using shill bidders. I thought it was obvious and said so to safeharbor. It is the general rule that one receives a form answer from ebay and then, later, an answer to the complaint. It's been my experience that shill bidding gets only a warning, and a temporary suspension. An acquaintance, who was bragging about her eBay sales, was clearly engaged in shilling when I found her account. She was suspended for 30 days....and was back later. What I don't understand is this case, is why the main account holder was reinstated *but* the shill accounts were NARU. I'm wondering if he convinced eBay that he was the target of a group....who were "the real shillers". ?? Kris |
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:47:37 GMT, "Kris Baker"
declared: "RW Julian" wrote in message ... About a year ago I turned in a seller for using shill bidders. I thought it was obvious and said so to safeharbor. It is the general rule that one receives a form answer from ebay and then, later, an answer to the complaint. It's been my experience that shill bidding gets only a warning, and a temporary suspension. An acquaintance, who was bragging about her eBay sales, was clearly engaged in shilling when I found her account. She was suspended for 30 days....and was back later. What I don't understand is this case, is why the main account holder was reinstated *but* the shill accounts were NARU. I'm wondering if he convinced eBay that he was the target of a group....who were "the real shillers". ?? it's possible that they weren't NARU'd for shilling at all, but for invalid contact info. which would be easy to fix for one of the accounts. i think what ebay does when alerted to something like this, is look for the easiest NARU possible without giving further investigation. robert "there must be one night in your life that you will remember forever. The must be one night for everyone. And if you know that the night is coming on and that this night will be that particular night, then take it and don't question it and don't talk about it to anyone ever after that. For if you let it pass it might not come again. Many have let it pass, many have seen it go by and have never seen another like it, when all the circumstances of weather, light, moon and time, of night hill and warm grass and train and town and distance were balanced upon the trembling of a finger." |
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STOP THE HARRASMENT ! WHAT YOU SAID ARE LIES . DEFAIMATION WITHOUT
PROPER EVIDENCE IS ILLEGAL . I COULD SENT EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU A COPY OF THE SIGNATURE ! STOP LYING ABOUT ME .TOM STARTED THIS AS A REVENGE . HE RUNS ANOTHER SITE AN EBAY . IT'S CALLED FINE-ITEMS .I HAVE PROOF . HE DID THAT AS A REVENGE BECAUSE I USED HIS STUPID INTRODUCTION .HARRASING AN EBAY MEMBER IS ILLEGAL SO IT'S DEFAIMATION WITHOUT PROPER EVIDENCE .THIS SO CALLED TOM IS ACTUALLY SCOT THE LEADER OF THIS GROUP AND HE RUNS FINE-ITEMS AN EBAY .I CAN PROVE THIS TOO : SO PLEASE DON'T BE FULLED BY AN IMPOSTOR . |
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