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"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... I assume you know of the websites that deal with the MTT. If he didn't, he'd never admit it. See this web site for insight into Goldie's issues: Right Man Syndrome by Andrew T. AustinAn Exploration of Right Man Syndrome By Andrew T. Austin, author, trainer, therapist. http://www.rightmansyndrome.com/ |
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"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message ... On 2/21/2010 12:33 PM, Nick Knight wrote: , on 02/20/2010 at 10:29 PM, "Clyde babbled: Ahhhhhhhh shaddup, you festering gob of conceit. Perfect. Another one for the bit bucket. This is one tactic. I guess it works for you. What I do, typically, is engage those who flame and bait, but briefly before ignoring it, mostly ignoring it. Right now Bruce Remick seems to be the lead flamebaiter, but others have served this role in the past, responding as he has done recently to every post or most posts with flame junk, just being disruptive, trying to sabotage threads, then as he's doing now trying to explain it away by saying they're engaging in some kind of high art. One of your favorite tactics is to rag on your critics in your responses to others, not to the critic, especially after the initial flame has been extinguished. You obviously consider all comments that in any way demeans what you say as "flamebaiting". You know you would never call me a moron or challenge me to my face, so you're quite safe at your keyboard. No need to whine to Nick the Plonker about me. Why not address your comments to me. I'm right here. I was content to move on here until you just had to sneak in your dig on me in a response to Nick, which by the way had nothing whatsoever to do with coins. I see you've found a few friends now so enjoy yourself. I won't butt in, unless of course you decide to mention me again in a post to someone else and I happen to notice it. Sometimes you get sucked in, and drawn down, to their depth, into the sewer, or I do anyway. Others have been attacked in a similarly obsessive way here over the years, Ira, Frank, Fred, and so on. As I said I believe it's the flame junk combined with the excessive off-topic chat about the weather and such that's the chief reason Usenet is in such decline. Still, you pick out the nuggets, and there are some, still making it worthwhile to check things out once in a while. And as others have pointed out, there are differences among different newsgroups, but as far as I have seen, and as reported by others as well, this is the general trend. You must have quite a reach if you have concluded that all Usenet is in such a decline and that you know why. Haven't you noticed that the most prolific and active threads in RCC seem to be the OT ones or ones that you initiate? People just enjoying themselves. With such a severe decline here in RCC, I have to wonder who you thought would be left to care about your million word treatise on how you started collecting coins. Why is it that you seem to be the only one who feels stymied here by "flames"? |
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"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message ... While in Scottsdale, my wife, kids, and I visited the Buffalo Museum of America. Does anyone doubt that Reid is probably henpecked to the point of emasculation and that his wife wears the pants in their relationship? It would explain why he has to come here to huff and puff about what a genius he is. |
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In article , "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
wrote: In article , "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: Reid Goldsborough wrote: On 2/21/2010 12:28 AM, in wrote: i had to get all the walkers. 3 times....then i grew up, kept one set of the best, though i did keep the keys from the other 2. meaning just the 21's and obverse mint mark. and the 38 d's. Walkers are a very cool series. Big coins, silver, extremely attractive, among the three most beautifully designed of all U.S. coins, I'd say, and unlike the others much more affordable. If you had posted this when I was a kid I probably would have tried something similar. g I sold off all of my collection as a teenager when I stopped collecting. Wish I hadn't. I feel especially bad about selling my grandfather's silver dollars. My mother was mildly piqued at my doing that but only mildly. I wish today I had kept at least one. I got little for all of it. Took it to the local coin shop where I had bought a lot of stuff previously. All he did was talk everything down. I knew what he was doing but didn't want to spend the time shopping the coins around so I just took the money and ran. Dumb kid. Like you, I sold my collection when I was eighteen, in my case to raise money for college. I kept only two pieces from that collection, a 1787 British shilling and a Maria Teresa restrike thaler. Those were enough "seed" to gnaw at me until a couple of decades later when I started all over again. I like to think that I made *most* of my collecting errors as a kid, but reality dictates otherwise. James the Only Somewhat Reconstructed don't forget what flaubert said. Qu'est-ce que Gustave a dit? Jacques that wich is written without pain is read without pleasure. profit but no honor in his own land. |
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In article , "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
mazorj wrote: "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... tony cooper wrote: On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:45:22 -0600, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: In all due honesty, I was only on those two usage groups for a short time, at the end of which I got my hiney chewed royally for my analysis of the proper sequencing of tenses/moods that was the subject of a query post. I did it as a relative newbie, from the point of a classically trained Latin scholar, and that was all it took. To give you an idea of how tolerant the group is, I would put the period at the end of that quote after the closing quotation mark in violation of the accepted American style. However, because I am consistent in this, no one has ever Oy'd me on it. It's regarded as a style choice. I've had a lot of surprises after reading the latest edition of the Chicago Manual of Style, which I received as a Christmas gift. A lot of the rules I learned in school have changed, it seems. For example, we were taught that one should always capitalize President when referring to the POTUS. Apparently that is as passé as "23 skiddoo". Or is it "skiddoo."? "Skiddoo?." Oh, I give up. James the Indecisive Is this just when it's a stand-alone noun, or when it's used in a title, e.g., "President Bill Clinton"? Having cut my stylistic teeth on the AP Style Manual, I lower-case the noun but UC the title. I still stumble over the antiquated formalistic capitalizations that you find in business and legal writing. "The Corporation observes all Regulations under under the Act as promulgated by your Agency." Thankfully, I never had to wrestle with the CMS. Too many of its nit-picky rules appear to be intended for formal academic and legal requirements or to please overweening prescriptive grammar kops, and not for everyday use. I had one nice very old lady as a copy editor who meekly tried to impose CMS on my scribblings. I politely but firmly ignored most of her suggestions. - mazorj "whom ain't got no use for silly speling or grammer rules. or the caps key EXCEPT ON USENET!!!!!!" Well, damn! James the Profane he dunt spel so gud, hisself, yimmy! |
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In article , "Nick Knight" wrote:
In , on 02/21/2010 at 11:00 PM, in ) said: bust halves seem as varied as varieties of hi-tops. But that's what makes them so fun! Nick - "378 down, plenty left to find" (and that's not counting the bogo collection exactly. too bad both have gotten pricey. you still have theat page on the bogs? It hasn't been updated in quite some time, although it IS on my "to do" list: http://www.mr2ice.com/coins/bogos/bogolist.html Nick that's ok. it's still fun. there is too little goddam fun in the world. |
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On Feb 20, 1:13�am, Reid Goldsborough
wrote: This year marks exactly ten years of my beginning coin collecting again. Time for a retrospective, some analysis. Read at your own risk. This will be long (winded). Consider this post a medium-length magazine article, though more personal and less focused. Though this includes some dealer criticism, and some dealers may consider it anti-dealer, it also includes some dealer praise, and I consider it, overall, pro-dealer, pro-collector, and pro-numismatics. This may be a prelude to something else, or not. An earlier version of this, dealing almost entirely with ancient coins, appeared elsewhere. During the summer of 2000 I found myself standing over a bowl of Indian Head cents and another of Buffalo nickels. I had been invited to give a talk about the Internet at a national marketing convention in Scottsdale, Arizona. I wrote and still write a nationally syndicated newspaper/magazine column about computers and the Internet, and before this I wrote a book about the future of the Internet, which was used among other places in some college classrooms during the 13 minutes in which it was still up to date. While in Scottsdale, my wife, kids, and I visited the Buffalo Museum of America. Mesmerized, I stood over these VG and G cents and nickels, the cents priced at $1 each, the nickels at $2 each. Like many collectors today I collected as a kid, U.S. type coins for me while my best friend at the time worked on Whitman sets, before like many I gave up collecting for other things. In this little museum, almost exactly 30 years later, I couldn't take my eyes of these beat-up old coins. I bought one Indian Head cent and one Buffalo nickel. Total outlay: $3. What possible harm could this lead to? At the end of that summer the ANA had its big national show in Philadelphia, close to us. OK, I'll go. First day I bought the most affordable nice enough coin I could find having a date beginning with the numbers 17. I couldn't afford a 1798 large cent when I was a kid. The next day I bought a 1908 no-motto Saint, feeling genuinely guilty about the money I was spending. It was all downhill from there. This Saint quickly led me to what I regarded and still regard as the most fabulous of all U.S. coins, Bust dollars with heraldic eagle reverses. The 1804 dollar is considered the "king" of American coins not only because of its rarity and the circumstances surrounding its minting but also, I'd contend, because of the beauty of its design, and the 1798 to 1903 heraldic eagle Bust dollars have all the beauty without the stratospheric priceyness. I went fairly crazy with Bust dollars, creating several sets of these fairly big-ticket items, then wound up buying and selling for profit, playing dealer, buying what I regarded as undervalued Bust dollars at national and local coin shows as well as through eBay and selling entirely through eBay, doing well. My column at the time was being published among other places in AirTran's in-flight magazine, before AirTran switched publishers, and as payment here I received free airfare, so I wound up going not only to the NY Int'l and Baltimore shows by car and train but also by plane to the F.U.N. show and Chicago Int'l each year. In retrospect I probably should have also gone to a few Long Beach shows, but I didn't want to take advantage. I also began going backward in time, before the onset of U.S. coinage. The further back I looked the more interesting it seemed. All other things being equal, old is more interesting, but all other things aren't equal. Ancient coins, particularly ancient Greek coins, are considered by many today, myself included, as the most beautiful of all coins, though some modern U.S. and world coins give the Greeks a, well, run for their money. Ancient coins also have some terribly interesting history, with science, democracy, western philosophy, and the entire western way of life having its origins in ancient Greece. Rome copied Greece, and the founding fathers of the U.S. copied Rome. So I wound up focusing mostly on ancient Greek coins, more engaging to me in general than Roman coins. Just as Rome copied Greece with mythology, philosophy, science, architecture, and so on, it also copied Greek coins, only made them in general smaller, more often debased, and less attractive artistically. Rome also made the same mistake the U.S. has made over the past hundred years or so, in my view, by using human portraits as primary, obverse devices rather than more imaginative and inspirational symbolic or mythological figures. Greek coins were fantastic. I began specializing in discrete areas -- Alexander the Great, Athenian Owls, pre-Greek Lydian electrum, etc., 21 Greek-era areas in all, as of right now. I've also elected to focus on three Roman areas and several later areas, including English pennies through the centuries, Pieces of Eight and other Age of Exploration trade coins, Bust dollars, Saints, and a whacky set of holed U.S. types coins that I'm able to acquire for under $10 each (still looking for a holed Presidential dollar, if anybody comes across one). I've tried going deep in each area, soaking up as many journal articles and books as I could along with the coins, and still do. The acquisition of knowledge for me is just as enjoyable as the acquisition of coins, and I've spent many enjoyable hours at the libraries of the ANS and the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, near me. The ANA library has also been a good resource for me, as has Ted Buttrey, the well-respected numismatist and all-around good guy from the mother ship who has graciously put up with my disagreeableness about his thinking on Egyptian Owls. Fairly early on in beginning to collect again, however, I got caught up again in what partly led me to quit coin collecting back as a teenager. I got sucked in by the inevitable pull toward greed and deception. I suppose this is something that everybody who collects, and even more so everybody who deals, has to wrestle with, more or less. How honest will you be? By honest I'm referring not only to the accuracy of the information you knowingly communicate -- errors of commission -- but also whether you communicate all the relevant information you know -- errors of omission. With me, with one particular eBay sale, I withheld information when selling a Bust dollar, not disclosing in full how I believed the surfaces looked in hand. I had been asked by someone who turned out to be the winning bidder if I saw anything that my fairly revealing photo didn't reveal. The surfaces of this raw, unslabbed coin were pretty rough, with excessive porosity for a coin of this type (I hadn't paid much it), appearing this way more so with the coin in hand than in the photo. I felt bad about not fully disclosing this, saying instead something, which I don't recall exactly, that only approached full disclosure. The buyer didn't return the piece or complain. But he left no feedback either, positive or negative. I knew he must have known that I didn't disclose what I knew. Granted, this was far from the worst of numismatic sins, and I know that many dealers inevitably do similar things as part of making a living through dealing. You put coins in the best possible light, figuratively and actually. Most dealers appear to adhere to the maxim that if asked, you disclose, if not, you don't. But some, I know, don't even when asked. In this particular case I didn't disclose either. On the other hand, some dealers, even those at the top of the profession, don't disclose what they should, including serious concerns from reliable sources, at times even the most respected museum and academic people in the world, about the authenticity of expensive and sometimes very expensive coins. But mostly, I believe, the majority of coin dealers do the right thing in the majority of cases, pulling questionable coins and describing coins accurately, though forgery-detection skills, the use of hyperbole/exaggeration, grading accuracy, and attribution accuracy vary widely. Still, dealers as a whole can be trusted as a reliable means of building an enjoyable collection, as I've said many times. The old saw in numismatics very much applies, that to better protect yourself from fakes you should buy from reputable and knowledgeable dealers, even if this protection is not or could ever be ironclad or foolproof and even if having your own expertise provides additional protection in itself. Dealers are still indispensable, today, in the age of the Internet when collectors can easily buy and sell to one another directly. Because they handle so many coins, the sharpest coin dealers will be better at coin authentication than the sharpest collectors or academics ... provided the inevitable self-interest doesn't excessively cloud their perceptions. Dealers are also very good at making markets -- bringing sellers and buyers together. I don't want to give too much weight to my little guilt trip over this one incident of nondisclosure, since a number of other factors were and are involved in my attitudes and decisions about numismatics. I respect the profession of coin dealing as I respect the category of retailing in general. My mother's father owned a small retail hardware store for some 60 years, and when in high school I helped out there one summer. I've also spent a little time selling at computer swap shows, which are similar to large coin shows in that you stand behind a table, your wares in front of you, trying to sell to those who stop at your table. So coin dealing turned out not to be for me. I stopped selling on my own for profit, though since then I have offloaded coins on occasion when cleaning out dupes, extraneous material, and coins in areas I thought I would specialize in but never did, selling to or through dealers. This episode of ... read more � If I bid and win on a coin off of Ebay and if it dosen't remarkably look like the photo, I return it and I don't bid on "no return" unless the coin is graded and one of the big three and slabbed. I learned this after getting coins where lighting or photoshop were used to enhance the appearance. If I am not sure, I question the seller, just to have a record of the inquiry. |
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On 2/22/2010 8:30 AM, Relayer wrote:
If I bid and win on a coin off of Ebay and if it dosen't remarkably look like the photo, I return it and I don't bid on "no return" unless the coin is graded and one of the big three and slabbed. I learned this after getting coins where lighting or photoshop were used to enhance the appearance. If I am not sure, I question the seller, just to have a record of the inquiry. This happens a lot, sometimes deliberately, sometimes not, it seems. Many dealers blast a darkly patinated bronze coin with high-intensity light, or bump up the lightness and contrast in an image editing program, so bidders can better see the coin's details. Of course, when you actually have the coin in hand, the details can only been seen if you do the same things -- under ordinary light the details are obscured. My view is that if this is done, it should be disclosed when selling the coin, something like, "Coin image was lightened to make details better identifiable." But this doesn't seem to be the norm. There are lots of other ways that coin images can be photoshopped to improve them, even more blatantly deceptive. And there are lots of ways that Photoshop and similar programs can be used to more closely make a coin on screen look the way it looks in hand. -- Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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On Feb 20, 2:13�am, Reid Goldsborough
wrote: This year marks exactly ten years of my beginning coin collecting again. Time for a retrospective, some analysis. Read at your own risk. This will be long (winded). Consider this post a medium-length magazine article, though more personal and less focused. Though this includes some dealer criticism, and some dealers may consider it anti-dealer, it also includes some dealer praise, and I consider it, overall, pro-dealer, pro-collector, and pro-numismatics. This may be a prelude to something else, or not. An earlier version of this, dealing almost entirely with ancient coins, appeared elsewhere. During the summer of 2000 I found myself standing over a bowl of Indian Head cents and another of Buffalo nickels. I had been invited to give a talk about the Internet at a national marketing convention in Scottsdale, Arizona. I wrote and still write a nationally syndicated newspaper/magazine column about computers and the Internet, and before this I wrote a book about the future of the Internet, which was used among other places in some college classrooms during the 13 minutes in which it was still up to date. While in Scottsdale, my wife, kids, and I visited the Buffalo Museum of America. Mesmerized, I stood over these VG and G cents and nickels, the cents priced at $1 each, the nickels at $2 each. Like many collectors today I collected as a kid, U.S. type coins for me while my best friend at the time worked on Whitman sets, before like many I gave up collecting for other things. In this little museum, almost exactly 30 years later, I couldn't take my eyes of these beat-up old coins. I bought one Indian Head cent and one Buffalo nickel. Total outlay: $3. What possible harm could this lead to? At the end of that summer the ANA had its big national show in Philadelphia, close to us. OK, I'll go. First day I bought the most affordable nice enough coin I could find having a date beginning with the numbers 17. I couldn't afford a 1798 large cent when I was a kid. The next day I bought a 1908 no-motto Saint, feeling genuinely guilty about the money I was spending. It was all downhill from there. This Saint quickly led me to what I regarded and still regard as the most fabulous of all U.S. coins, Bust dollars with heraldic eagle reverses. The 1804 dollar is considered the "king" of American coins not only because of its rarity and the circumstances surrounding its minting but also, I'd contend, because of the beauty of its design, and the 1798 to 1903 heraldic eagle Bust dollars have all the beauty without the stratospheric priceyness. I went fairly crazy with Bust dollars, creating several sets of these fairly big-ticket items, then wound up buying and selling for profit, playing dealer, buying what I regarded as undervalued Bust dollars at national and local coin shows as well as through eBay and selling entirely through eBay, doing well. My column at the time was being published among other places in AirTran's in-flight magazine, before AirTran switched publishers, and as payment here I received free airfare, so I wound up going not only to the NY Int'l and Baltimore shows by car and train but also by plane to the F.U.N. show and Chicago Int'l each year. In retrospect I probably should have also gone to a few Long Beach shows, but I didn't want to take advantage. I also began going backward in time, before the onset of U.S. coinage. The further back I looked the more interesting it seemed. All other things being equal, old is more interesting, but all other things aren't equal. Ancient coins, particularly ancient Greek coins, are considered by many today, myself included, as the most beautiful of all coins, though some modern U.S. and world coins give the Greeks a, well, run for their money. Ancient coins also have some terribly interesting history, with science, democracy, western philosophy, and the entire western way of life having its origins in ancient Greece. Rome copied Greece, and the founding fathers of the U.S. copied Rome. So I wound up focusing mostly on ancient Greek coins, more engaging to me in general than Roman coins. Just as Rome copied Greece with mythology, philosophy, science, architecture, and so on, it also copied Greek coins, only made them in general smaller, more often debased, and less attractive artistically. Rome also made the same mistake the U.S. has made over the past hundred years or so, in my view, by using human portraits as primary, obverse devices rather than more imaginative and inspirational symbolic or mythological figures. Greek coins were fantastic. I began specializing in discrete areas -- Alexander the Great, Athenian Owls, pre-Greek Lydian electrum, etc., 21 Greek-era areas in all, as of right now. I've also elected to focus on three Roman areas and several later areas, including English pennies through the centuries, Pieces of Eight and other Age of Exploration trade coins, Bust dollars, Saints, and a whacky set of holed U.S. types coins that I'm able to acquire for under $10 each (still looking for a holed Presidential dollar, if anybody comes across one). I've tried going deep in each area, soaking up as many journal articles and books as I could along with the coins, and still do. The acquisition of knowledge for me is just as enjoyable as the acquisition of coins, and I've spent many enjoyable hours at the libraries of the ANS and the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, near me. The ANA library has also been a good resource for me, as has Ted Buttrey, the well-respected numismatist and all-around good guy from the mother ship who has graciously put up with my disagreeableness about his thinking on Egyptian Owls. Fairly early on in beginning to collect again, however, I got caught up again in what partly led me to quit coin collecting back as a teenager. I got sucked in by the inevitable pull toward greed and deception. I suppose this is something that everybody who collects, and even more so everybody who deals, has to wrestle with, more or less. How honest will you be? By honest I'm referring not only to the accuracy of the information you knowingly communicate -- errors of commission -- but also whether you communicate all the relevant information you know -- errors of omission. With me, with one particular eBay sale, I withheld information when selling a Bust dollar, not disclosing in full how I believed the surfaces looked in hand. I had been asked by someone who turned out to be the winning bidder if I saw anything that my fairly revealing photo didn't reveal. The surfaces of this raw, unslabbed coin were pretty rough, with excessive porosity for a coin of this type (I hadn't paid much it), appearing this way more so with the coin in hand than in the photo. I felt bad about not fully disclosing this, saying instead something, which I don't recall exactly, that only approached full disclosure. The buyer didn't return the piece or complain. But he left no feedback either, positive or negative. I knew he must have known that I didn't disclose what I knew. Granted, this was far from the worst of numismatic sins, and I know that many dealers inevitably do similar things as part of making a living through dealing. You put coins in the best possible light, figuratively and actually. Most dealers appear to adhere to the maxim that if asked, you disclose, if not, you don't. But some, I know, don't even when asked. In this particular case I didn't disclose either. On the other hand, some dealers, even those at the top of the profession, don't disclose what they should, including serious concerns from reliable sources, at times even the most respected museum and academic people in the world, about the authenticity of expensive and sometimes very expensive coins. But mostly, I believe, the majority of coin dealers do the right thing in the majority of cases, pulling questionable coins and describing coins accurately, though forgery-detection skills, the use of hyperbole/exaggeration, grading accuracy, and attribution accuracy vary widely. Still, dealers as a whole can be trusted as a reliable means of building an enjoyable collection, as I've said many times. The old saw in numismatics very much applies, that to better protect yourself from fakes you should buy from reputable and knowledgeable dealers, even if this protection is not or could ever be ironclad or foolproof and even if having your own expertise provides additional protection in itself. Dealers are still indispensable, today, in the age of the Internet when collectors can easily buy and sell to one another directly. Because they handle so many coins, the sharpest coin dealers will be better at coin authentication than the sharpest collectors or academics ... provided the inevitable self-interest doesn't excessively cloud their perceptions. Dealers are also very good at making markets -- bringing sellers and buyers together. I don't want to give too much weight to my little guilt trip over this one incident of nondisclosure, since a number of other factors were and are involved in my attitudes and decisions about numismatics. I respect the profession of coin dealing as I respect the category of retailing in general. My mother's father owned a small retail hardware store for some 60 years, and when in high school I helped out there one summer. I've also spent a little time selling at computer swap shows, which are similar to large coin shows in that you stand behind a table, your wares in front of you, trying to sell to those who stop at your table. So coin dealing turned out not to be for me. I stopped selling on my own for profit, though since then I have offloaded coins on occasion when cleaning out dupes, extraneous material, and coins in areas I thought I would specialize in but never did, selling to or through dealers. This episode of ... read more � Reid, you old windbag. ~Anka |
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