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Mis-bound book values
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How much value (if any) does having a mis-bound book add to its value? I have a mis-bound Order of the Pheonix from the Harry Potter series and didn't know how rare this was. One entire section 50+ pages repeats itself (replacing what should have been there). Any insight is much appreciated. -Keith |
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Keith Williams wrote:
Hi! How much value (if any) does having a mis-bound book add to its value? I have a mis-bound Order of the Pheonix from the Harry Potter series and didn't know how rare this was. One entire section 50+ pages repeats itself (replacing what should have been there). Any insight is much appreciated. Generally, unless it's something that denotes a true first edition, a flaw detracts rather than adds to the value of the book. On the other hand, it's a Harry Potter book, and the prices for some of those things are just insane. Throw it on eBay at cover price and hope you have two crazy Potter collectors bid it up to crazy levels... Lawrence Person Lame Excuse Books Stock available online at www.tomfolio.com (searched by www.bookfinder.com), or at: http://home.austin.rr.com/lperson/lame.html |
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Keith Williams wrote:
How much value (if any) does having a mis-bound book add to its value? I've been trying to puzzle out why misprinted stamps and misstruck coins have great value: http://www.invertedcenter.com while misbound books (and most other defective collectibles, for that matter) are valueless curiosities. Perhaps the key is that the stamps and coins are issued officially by governments. Quality control in such situations is usually exceedingly high and thus such mistakes are exceedingly rare. Such things are also either legal tender or tantamount to such. And finally the responsible government agencies always seem to suppress such things. Whereas book binders probably end up with lots of problematic volumes, their standards are probably not so high, and the books don't have same official value that their philatelic and numismatic counterparts have. And, although they surely don't want such things circulating, publishers, printers, and binders don't have police powers to go round them up. Just my 1955-Double-Die-Lincoln two cents. William M. Klimon http://www.gateofbliss.com |
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"William M. Klimon" wrote in message oups.com... Keith Williams wrote: How much value (if any) does having a mis-bound book add to its value? I've been trying to puzzle out why misprinted stamps and misstruck coins have great value: http://www.invertedcenter.com while misbound books (and most other defective collectibles, for that matter) are valueless curiosities. Perhaps the key is that the stamps and coins are issued officially by governments. Quality control in such situations is usually exceedingly high and thus such mistakes are exceedingly rare. Such things are also either legal tender or tantamount to such. And finally the responsible government agencies always seem to suppress such things. Whereas book binders probably end up with lots of problematic volumes, their standards are probably not so high, and the books don't have same official value that their philatelic and numismatic counterparts have. And, although they surely don't want such things circulating, publishers, printers, and binders don't have police powers to go round them up. Just my 1955-Double-Die-Lincoln two cents. William M. Klimon http://www.gateofbliss.com Stamps are printed on sheets of between 400(?) and 1000 (?) They're easily examined, but neverthesss if one gets into circulation, then presumably another 399 - 999 will have done as well. And so they're easily identified and catalogued. Their likely rarity as compared with the entire issue of a particular stamp may also be guessed at, maybe. Misprinted stamps can be objects of research therefore. Binding errors are more likely to be singular - in the machine era from a machine handler clearing a blockage maybe - in the hand ear from a binder stacking or sewing the signatures in the incorrect order. Binding errors are only identified if someone takes the trouble to collate each and every book at the bindery - unlikely in the machine era at least - or even as a buyer - up until such time as they read the book. Whereas as we know all good collectors collate every single book they buy, immediately on purchase. Nevertheless as a consequence, binding errors don't admit to easy identification, and classification and are presumably all equally singular\rare. Misbound books are objects of curiosity, but not in the main, of research. Unlike in the case of broken type, where the presence of broken letters in a run of books may be used as an indication of edition or priority but will have no necessary impact on value either way. Presumably coins are manufactured in batches as well. And whether articles are made in batches on machines, or singly, ceramics etc clearly affects identification, classification, and subsequent evaluation. michael adams .... |
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michael adams wrote:
Stamps are printed on sheets of between 400(?) and 1000 (?) [snip] Presumably coins are manufactured in batches as well. And whether articles are made in batches on machines, or singly, ceramics etc clearly affects identification, classification, and subsequent evaluation. Those are all useful insights--though they don't perhaps really explain why misprinted stamps are desirable and misbound books are not. There is, e.g., plenty of research going on now (and for the last century since Sadlier and Carter) on book bindings--for some recent examples, see: http://www.finebooksmagazine.com/iss...ml#Bookbinders http://www.finebooksmagazine.com/iss...k_review.phtml Perhaps something is to be learned from misbound books? In any case, I return to my central point that there seems to be something particular about defective items issues officially by a governmental body. William M. Klimon http://www.gateofbliss.com |
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"William M. Klimon" wrote in message oups.com... michael adams wrote: Stamps are printed on sheets of between 400(?) and 1000 (?) [snip] Presumably coins are manufactured in batches as well. And whether articles are made in batches on machines, or singly, ceramics etc clearly affects identification, classification, and subsequent evaluation. Those are all useful insights--though they don't perhaps really explain why misprinted stamps are desirable and misbound books are not. There is, e.g., plenty of research going on now (and for the last century since Sadlier and Carter) on book bindings--for some recent examples, see: http://www.finebooksmagazine.com/iss...ml#Bookbinders http://www.finebooksmagazine.com/iss...k_review.phtml Perhaps something is to be learned from misbound books? .... It's doubtful. Both of those sources are mainly in relation to binding variations, which occur in batches which as I suggested in relation to broken type, can form a useful tool for maybe establishing priority. .... In any case, I return to my central point that there seems to be something particular about defective items issues officially by a governmental body. .... In addition, both stamps and coins have a face value, and the fact that they're defective doesn't detract from that face value - which means they're more likely to enter circulation. In addition the fact that they're defective doesn't affect their utility. Which is supposedly the raison d'etre behind stamp and coin collecting. That they're not just pieces of paper or metal discs. The fact that they enter circulaton means that they latterly become available to collectors. Books have no similar face value, and if found to be defective by readers are likely to be returned to the shop and thus not enter circulation at all. Misbound books have no remaining utility unlike stamps and coins but are simply a nuisance. The same would apply to collectors, who would be aware that there's no market in misbound books, for the reasons already given. And so they're less likely to enter circulation in the first place. By and large the only unique objects that are valued, have some merit in themselves. Misbound books are unique, but being defective of itself doesn't constitute merit, but merely detracts from any merit in the original book. michael adams William M. Klimon http://www.gateofbliss.com |
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michael adams wrote:
Presumably coins are manufactured in batches as well. A visit to a US Mint (and presumably any other mint) would reveal that coins are made in a continuous process. Coin blanks are constantly fed into a hopper, the blank stamped by dies and the finished coin is ejected. The process continues until quitting time or if there is a problem with the machine. Increased quality control has made error coins harder to find than in the past but they still exist and probably always will, this being an imperfect world. Common errors include off-center strikes, double strikes, clipped coin blanks. Less common are serious problems with the dies (such as the famous doubled die Lincoln cents) although coins showing minor die cracks are very common. |
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Flimpy McDoodlebug wrote: michael adams wrote: Presumably coins are manufactured in batches as well. A visit to a US Mint (and presumably any other mint) would reveal that coins are made in a continuous process. Coin blanks are constantly fed into a hopper, the blank stamped by dies and the finished coin is ejected. The process continues until quitting time or if there is a problem with the machine. Increased quality control has made error coins harder to find than in the past but they still exist and probably always will, this being an imperfect world. Common errors include off-center strikes, double strikes, clipped coin blanks. Less common are serious problems with the dies (such as the famous doubled die Lincoln cents) although coins showing minor die cracks are very common. Actually there is a way that errors in making a book can contribute to value. That happens usually when the first issue, first edition has glaring errors which the author or his publisher then fix. So the first issue first edition can be idenitied by its errors. Some of the Mark Twain books have a whole list of these. So, Whenever they are advertised for sale the list is trotted out, or a statement witrh all the known errors found in the earliest issues. Some times with the further statement, "Except....". And then a price. There are some books listed in BAL in which the publisher never changed the date for as long as twenty or thirty years, so the only way of identifying them is the errors, sometimes together with what is being advertised for sale, at what date, and placed where [?] in the ads. Best, Annibale |
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"Annibale" wrote in message oups.com... Flimpy McDoodlebug wrote: michael adams wrote: Presumably coins are manufactured in batches as well. A visit to a US Mint (and presumably any other mint) would reveal that coins are made in a continuous process. Coin blanks are constantly fed into a hopper, the blank stamped by dies and the finished coin is ejected. The process continues until quitting time or if there is a problem with the machine. Increased quality control has made error coins harder to find than in the past but they still exist and probably always will, this being an imperfect world. Common errors include off-center strikes, double strikes, clipped coin blanks. Less common are serious problems with the dies (such as the famous doubled die Lincoln cents) although coins showing minor die cracks are very common. Actually there is a way that errors in making a book can contribute to value. That happens usually when the first issue, first edition has glaring errors which the author or his publisher then fix. So the first issue first edition can be idenitied by its errors. Some of the Mark Twain books have a whole list of these. So, Whenever they are advertised for sale the list is trotted out, or a statement witrh all the known errors found in the earliest issues. Some times with the further statement, "Except....". And then a price. There are some books listed in BAL in which the publisher never changed the date for as long as twenty or thirty years, so the only way of identifying them is the errors, sometimes together with what is being advertised for sale, at what date, and placed where [?] in the ads. Best, Annibale Yes but those aren't binding errors. They're editorial or proofing errors which, as with broken type, as has already been pointed out are often well documented can help establish priority. What's being discussed are misbindings, which usually occur individually. michael adams |
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