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Old January 11th 04, 10:53 AM
Mette
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Grandpa and Dakota,

None of you are the culprits, and neither are those who
have contacted me at my yahoo-address.

When it happens that an irate troll harrasses me in a closed
circuit on a private email-address not published anywhere
on Usenet or the Internet, and this *only* happens when I
have sent a message on Usenet, the perpetrator is bound
to be someone who has my private email-address. This
has been given only to those whom I considered friends.
But these happenings have revealed that at least one of
them is not a friend, and I am ready to go *very* far to
find that person.

It has been suggested by many that the calamity has
been caused by a Swen-virus or similar. If this would
be the case I would receive "regular" spam, but I don't.
My return address on Usenet is invalid, and the offender
uses my private address not known to the public. As
said, his junk appeared *only* when I have posted on
Usenet, and not in normal showers from regular spammers.

To find the offender it is not enough to yell out on Usenet
"stop spamming me!". I had to go other ways, and one
of them was to provoke people to contact me on my
Yahoo-address to narrow down the offender. I did well.
So many people, both from this group and others that I
read, have contacted me, so by simple exclusion methods
I can now concentrate my search among very few people.
In a few more days I will know for sure who that "friend"
was, and he/she can be sure to be killfiled for eternity,
both on my Usenet-account and my private accounts.

My private address is still not public, and my return address
on Usenet still not valid. If he/she wants to spam me again,
so be it, but his junk will go to my Yahoo-address, where
spam-guard is very efficient, so I will never see his crap.

Thank you, Dakota and Grandpa, and everybody else for
your patience :-)
--
Ann Mette Heindorff (Mette)
return address invalid -- contact me through
heindorffstamps at yahoo dot dk
http://slaniastamps.school.dk
http://arthistory1.school.dk
http://danish-christmasseals.school.dk





Dakota wrote in message
om...
Mette:

I'd like to think that I'm not the culprit - but you've put many of us
on the defensive.

Could we (individually) be the guilty party?

Your post is a sort of "shotgun" offense/defense at all of us that may
have shared private posts with you in the past.

You only state that you 'think' you know who the guilty party is (if
there is indeed a guilty party).

But your post seems to indicate nobody and yet everybody. Guilt by
association is a heavy load to bear.

I know how to find your private e-mail address - I think - but be
assured that I'm going to be very hesitant in the future to make any
sort of contact with you. And I think that many here will feel the
same!

Dakota



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  #22  
Old January 11th 04, 12:59 PM
kevin
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what a waste of bandspace.... kk

"Mette" wrote in message
...
Tom,
I have just answered your email in private but it bounced
back. Anyhow, I know it's not you Buddy :-)
Mette





Tom Loepp wrote in message
...
Mette,
"It ain't me, babe. It ain't me your looking for, babe..."
(that's from a song) but in all seriousness, I'm igorant of the
know-how of such dastardly deeds. I checked my address book and
I've been very lax in adding addresses to it but I do have
personal emails from you so I become a suspect in my own mind. I
do keep all emails and very seldom cull through them to delete
unwanted information. I run a Mac but probably am not immune to
mole-type entities that may grab stuff off of my computer. I
notice that in my spamblocker, I receive spam from unusual but
familiar names as I know many people from many countries. I know
an Ake, Kai, Lucien, Deirdre, etc. and receive spam with these
names on them. I've even noticed similarities in posts that I've
made to the newsgroup and subject titles of spam. I receive spam
with similar subjects to sites that I've visited which makes me
think that cookies do more than go with milk. When I buy real
estate, I receive mortgage spam. When I buy electronics, I
receive spam about the exact same products. Everytime I buy
printer ink I get printer ink spam. So there is much evil afoot
out there ready and able to rip asunder fragile friendships.
Humans relegate themselves to partnership with supremacy but are
more akin to the lowly virus, sad as it is (viruses are quite
supreme, really). I'm really going to miss something, not seeing
the future of this fine planet.
Yours in etherwax,
Tom

Mette wrote:

It appears that some jerk is abusing my very private email
address, that is not published anywhere on the Internet,
neither on websites nor in newsgroups, nor eBay, nor PayPal,
nor elsewhere. Thus, spam is now constantly generating on
that address!

This can only mean that I myself have given my address
to someone whom I considered a friend, but who seems
to have betrayed my confidence.

Whoever you are, be notified now that the address in
question is closed, and that I have -- again -- another
private address, strictly reserved for private correspondence.

So far anyone can reach me at my Yahoo-address
heindorffstamps at yahoo dot dk
--
Ann Mette Heindorff (Mette)
Return address invalid -- contact me at
heindorffstamps at yahoo dot dk
http://slaniastamps.school.dk
http://danish-christmasseals.school.dk


-- Tom Loepp

Email:
Website:
http://loepp.home.mindspring.com/tom/





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  #23  
Old January 11th 04, 03:59 PM
Victor Manta
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"Mette" wrote in message
...
Grandpa and Dakota,

None of you are the culprits, and neither are those who
have contacted me at my yahoo-address.

snip

To find the offender it is not enough to yell out on Usenet
"stop spamming me!". I had to go other ways, and one
of them was to provoke people to contact me on my
Yahoo-address to narrow down the offender. I did well.
So many people, both from this group and others that I
read, have contacted me, so by simple exclusion methods
I can now concentrate my search among very few people.
In a few more days I will know for sure who that "friend"
was, and he/she can be sure to be killfiled for eternity,
both on my Usenet-account and my private accounts.

snip

Thank you, Dakota and Grandpa, and everybody else for
your patience :-)
--
Ann Mette Heindorff (Mette)


"Tom,
I have just answered your email in private but it bounced
back. Anyhow, I know it's not you Buddy :-)
Mette"

Three of RCSD participants (Tom, Dakota, Grandpa) aren't on the black list
anymore. The work progresses, slowly but efficiently.

BTW, the abuse game isn't still over, because other 30 or more permanents
here still have to somehow prove that they aren't the "culprits".

Maybe a better place for us would be a Danish Guaxxxxxmo. Some suggestions
for a proper place, because I'm not familiar with Denmark's geography? :-)

Nevertheless we stay patient, isn't it?

Victor Manta

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  #24  
Old January 11th 04, 05:22 PM
Douglas Myall
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"Victor Manta" wrote in message
...
"Mette" wrote in message
...
Grandpa and Dakota,

None of you are the culprits, and neither are those who
have contacted me at my yahoo-address.

snip

To find the offender it is not enough to yell out on Usenet
"stop spamming me!". I had to go other ways, and one
of them was to provoke people to contact me on my
Yahoo-address to narrow down the offender. I did well.
So many people, both from this group and others that I
read, have contacted me, so by simple exclusion methods
I can now concentrate my search among very few people.
In a few more days I will know for sure who that "friend"
was, and he/she can be sure to be killfiled for eternity,
both on my Usenet-account and my private accounts.

snip

Thank you, Dakota and Grandpa, and everybody else for
your patience :-)
--
Ann Mette Heindorff (Mette)


"Tom,
I have just answered your email in private but it bounced
back. Anyhow, I know it's not you Buddy :-)
Mette"

Three of RCSD participants (Tom, Dakota, Grandpa) aren't on the

black list
anymore. The work progresses, slowly but efficiently.

BTW, the abuse game isn't still over, because other 30 or more

permanents
here still have to somehow prove that they aren't the "culprits".

Maybe a better place for us would be a Danish Guaxxxxxmo. Some

suggestions
for a proper place, because I'm not familiar with Denmark's

geography? :-)

Nevertheless we stay patient, isn't it?

Victor Manta


I don't think Victor needs to keep stirring this pot and his
references to a prison camp are over the top. I am content for Mette
to do whatever is necessary to identify the person who is plaguing
her. Even although she felt it necessary (desirable?) to inform this
NG of her problem I do not see how that means that 30 or more NG
members are under any obligation to `prove' (Victor's word) their
innocence.

Douglas

  #25  
Old January 11th 04, 05:31 PM
Alan
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Douglas Myall wrote:
"Victor Manta" wrote in message
...

"Mette" wrote in message
...

Grandpa and Dakota,

None of you are the culprits, and neither are those who
have contacted me at my yahoo-address.

snip

To find the offender it is not enough to yell out on Usenet
"stop spamming me!". I had to go other ways, and one
of them was to provoke people to contact me on my
Yahoo-address to narrow down the offender. I did well.
So many people, both from this group and others that I
read, have contacted me, so by simple exclusion methods
I can now concentrate my search among very few people.
In a few more days I will know for sure who that "friend"
was, and he/she can be sure to be killfiled for eternity,
both on my Usenet-account and my private accounts.

snip

Thank you, Dakota and Grandpa, and everybody else for
your patience :-)
--
Ann Mette Heindorff (Mette)


"Tom,
I have just answered your email in private but it bounced
back. Anyhow, I know it's not you Buddy :-)
Mette"

Three of RCSD participants (Tom, Dakota, Grandpa) aren't on the


black list

anymore. The work progresses, slowly but efficiently.

BTW, the abuse game isn't still over, because other 30 or more


permanents

here still have to somehow prove that they aren't the "culprits".

Maybe a better place for us would be a Danish Guaxxxxxmo. Some


suggestions

for a proper place, because I'm not familiar with Denmark's


geography? :-)

Nevertheless we stay patient, isn't it?

Victor Manta



I don't think Victor needs to keep stirring this pot and his
references to a prison camp are over the top. I am content for Mette
to do whatever is necessary to identify the person who is plaguing
her. Even although she felt it necessary (desirable?) to inform this
NG of her problem I do not see how that means that 30 or more NG
members are under any obligation to `prove' (Victor's word) their
innocence.

Douglas


I think the problem is that Damark is a cold and loneley place this time
of year and some people need to get attention any way they can.
  #26  
Old January 11th 04, 05:51 PM
Didier Cuidet
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Le Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:59:09 +0100, dans rec.collecting.stamps.discuss,
"Victor Manta" a écrit :

BTW, the abuse game isn't still over, because other 30 or more permanents
here still have to somehow prove that they aren't the "culprits".


And don't forget the crowd of lurkers, who say nothing but think what
they think.

Maybe a better place for us would be a Danish Guaxxxxxmo. Some suggestions
for a proper place, because I'm not familiar with Denmark's geography? :-)


Some place in the far north of Greenland. It is a Danish territory, no ?

Nevertheless we stay patient, isn't it?


I receive usually spams with my own name as sender. I know that it is a
way found by the spammers to pass my filters. No more. I only have to
imagine other filters to suppress these spams.

--
DC
  #27  
Old January 11th 04, 05:54 PM
Tracy Barber
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:24:15 -0700, Grandpa jsdebooATcomcast.net
wrote:

Didier Cuidet wrote:

snip

I think that someone knowing your address has his computer infected by a
worm or a virus that copied his address book, and use random names in it
to send copies of it all around the world.


Thats why I use Netscape. Its not foolproof but the hackers LOVE
Micro$oft products and rarely fiddle with NS, or Mozilla if you prefer.


Hopefully, you're using one of the 4.xx versions, unless you have a
speed demon / RAM hog of a PC that can load / paly NutScrape 6.x or
7.x - they just hog your PC.

Tracy Barber
  #28  
Old January 11th 04, 06:06 PM
Tracy Barber
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:21:36 +0100, "Victor Manta"
wrote:

From different postings it is clear to me that several participants feel the
same like you, and some even try to justify one's self.

I have also tried, as politely as I could, to point toward some problems,
but I've got rather puzzling answers.


Victor, et al:

I'm at the point of almost - who cares (who gives a S_I_) because of
all of the abuse given to me here. I'm sick of it, but my skin has
gotten a bit thicker in the past year.

Heh... Spam is only a small pittance to pay whilst you play on the
'Net. Today I received 23 messages and none of them legit. Total
spammage 23 - Tracy 0.

OK - here's the poop - if someone wnats to mess around with someone
elses internet "entities", they can do it. All one has to do is post
anonymously and put the legit return address of someone else and
"poof!" - instant spam from the harvesters. We see it every day.

I know even you tried to keep up with it, but finally even you gave in
a while back. Nature of the beast.

Ahhhh... the price we pay to play here. Sux, but there isn't much of
an alternative, except to go -silence- those who want to deep six our
activities here.

One can play defensively, but hopefully that doesn't lead to outright
paranoia, because then the hobby setting can trigger those thoughts
simply by association... It does take a little while to get used to
the idiots and avoid them.

The spammers will morph, connive, manipulate and so forth because
there's a bunch of sick b_s_a_d_ out there and even a sicker bunch of
greedy _a_t_r_s that only are concerend with themselves.

I keep mentioning it here, but it falls on deaf ears, or so it seems.

Not all of us play on the same baseball field. Although we have a
common topic, stamp collecting, the rest is various (and even spans
the range of normal (?) to outright psychotic) here.

As usual, YMMV.

Tracy Barber
  #29  
Old January 11th 04, 06:59 PM
Victor Manta
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"Douglas Myall" wrote in message
...
"Victor Manta" wrote in message
...

Three of RCSD participants (Tom, Dakota, Grandpa) aren't on the

black list
anymore. The work progresses, slowly but efficiently.

BTW, the abuse game isn't still over, because other 30 or more

permanents
here still have to somehow prove that they aren't the "culprits".

Maybe a better place for us would be a Danish Guaxxxxxmo. Some

suggestions
for a proper place, because I'm not familiar with Denmark's

geography? :-)

Nevertheless we stay patient, isn't it?

Victor Manta


I don't think Victor needs to keep stirring this pot and his
references to a prison camp are over the top. I am content for Mette
to do whatever is necessary to identify the person who is plaguing
her. Even although she felt it necessary (desirable?) to inform this
NG of her problem I do not see how that means that 30 or more NG
members are under any obligation to `prove' (Victor's word) their
innocence.

Douglas


I strongly disagree with this kind of investigations of RCSD. Please see
below the most relevant parts of what disturbs me:

------------------------
" Why are you even posting this information here in the first place ?.

To try and locate the offender(s) to see if my suspicion
can bear. " (Mette)

" To find the offender it is not enough to yell out on Usenet
"stop spamming me!". I had to go other ways, and one
of them was to provoke people to contact me on my
Yahoo-address to narrow down the offender. I did well.
So many people, both from this group and others that I
read, have contacted me, so by simple exclusion methods
I can now concentrate my search among very few people. (Mette)

-----------------------------

It starts by "yell out on Usenet" and is followed by "other ways", about we
are menacingly informed. These "simple exclusion methods" look as absurd to
me. Does it mean that those who now contact Mette are real friends and those
who not stay on the black list? Personally, I have no intention to prove my
correctness, political or other one.

My joke about a Danish investigation camp was merely, yes, a joke (not
enough English, I admit . Have you noticed the :-) and generally the tone
of my posting? It was nothing more than an exaggeration that should reveal a
certain absurdity of the whole.

Just to mention that it was also too much to swallow at once : firstly it
was a rather non-existing person (John Smith) that tragically disappeared,
and shortly after him it was a hidden and treacherous spammer that appeared,
both strongly related to the same person.

Perhaps Alan is right with his (somehow harsh when referring to a lady, at
least in my ears) final comment, that I will abstain from citing here.

Victor Manta

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Old January 11th 04, 08:06 PM
Bob Ingraham
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1/11/2004 8:31 AM

Douglas Myall wrote:
"Victor Manta" wrote in message
...

"Mette" wrote in message
...

Grandpa and Dakota,

None of you are the culprits, and neither are those who
have contacted me at my yahoo-address.

snip

To find the offender it is not enough to yell out on Usenet
"stop spamming me!". I had to go other ways, and one
of them was to provoke people to contact me on my
Yahoo-address to narrow down the offender. I did well.
So many people, both from this group and others that I
read, have contacted me, so by simple exclusion methods
I can now concentrate my search among very few people.
In a few more days I will know for sure who that "friend"
was, and he/she can be sure to be killfiled for eternity,
both on my Usenet-account and my private accounts.

snip

Thank you, Dakota and Grandpa, and everybody else for
your patience :-)
--
Ann Mette Heindorff (Mette)

"Tom,
I have just answered your email in private but it bounced
back. Anyhow, I know it's not you Buddy :-)
Mette"

Three of RCSD participants (Tom, Dakota, Grandpa) aren't on the


black list

anymore. The work progresses, slowly but efficiently.

BTW, the abuse game isn't still over, because other 30 or more


permanents

here still have to somehow prove that they aren't the "culprits".

Maybe a better place for us would be a Danish Guaxxxxxmo. Some


suggestions

for a proper place, because I'm not familiar with Denmark's


geography? :-)

Nevertheless we stay patient, isn't it?

Victor Manta



I don't think Victor needs to keep stirring this pot and his
references to a prison camp are over the top. I am content for Mette
to do whatever is necessary to identify the person who is plaguing
her. Even although she felt it necessary (desirable?) to inform this
NG of her problem I do not see how that means that 30 or more NG
members are under any obligation to `prove' (Victor's word) their
innocence.

Douglas


I think the problem is that Damark is a cold and loneley place this time
of year and some people need to get attention any way they can.


ENOUGH ALREADY! Mette Heindorff has a long and respectable history as a
supportive and generous member of this newsgroup. She's trying to deal with
something that she perceives as a problem, and hardly needs the petty
criticisms that some people in the newsgroup seem all too willing to pass
out. Check the mote in your own eye, Doug.

Her country's name is "Denmark," by the way, not "Damark."

Bob Ingraham

 




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