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"Byron L. Reed" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:38:51 GMT, wrote: An outsourced operation, in a place like India, China, The Philippines, etc.; where some greedy American corporation is saving a few pieces of Silver and displacing American workers in the process. That "greedy American corporation" is probably included in the 401(k) retirement plans of most everybody who reads this. Average American workers gain from this. The savings the corporation makes gives them pricing power, causing the average American worker to spend less money to acquire their goods and services. The establishment of business infrastructure in third world companies require the purchase of capital goods from the United States. This is good for average American workers who produce it. The removal of expensively educated American workers from mundane operations allows productivity to increase and engenders new business enterprise in the United States. This is good for average American workers (who aren't content with being lazy and insisting they keep the same job for life). For every non-competitive American job that is moved overseas, many more poor local people are to work. Thus, many more people are allowed to improve their lives. This injection of income encourages adoption of a modern economy, government, and social stability which will reduce the excuses for terrorism. This is good for average American workers - and everybody else in the world. The only people who really lose in the outsourcing equation are members of outdated and inefficient un-American union labor. BLReed There was a piece on the national TV news a couple weeks ago about a company in Massachusetts who was ready to outsource its $30/hour computer tech jobs overseas where they could get the same results for $10/hour. Someone proposed that the company first offer these jobs locally at $10/hour. They ended up with a ton of applications from out-of-work computer people who were indeed willing to work for $10/hour rather than starve. Several of them were promoted before long into better paying jobs. I doubt I recalled all the specific details accurately, but the premise would seem a viable one to at least try in some cases. Bruce 'glad to be retired' |
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"Byron L. Reed" wrote in message news On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:10:21 -0500, "Bruce Remick" wrote: There was a piece on the national TV news a couple weeks ago about a company in Massachusetts who was ready to outsource its $30/hour computer tech jobs overseas where they could get the same results for $10/hour. Someone proposed that the company first offer these jobs locally at $10/hour. They ended up with a ton of applications from out-of-work computer people who were indeed willing to work for $10/hour rather than starve. Several of them were promoted before long into better paying jobs. I doubt I recalled all the specific details accurately, but the premise would seem a viable one to at least try in some cases. Bruce 'glad to be retired' Yes, an outstanding option, but the average $10/hr job in the us actually costs the employer $12-$13/hr by the time taxes, healthcare, retirement, etc. are paid. Of course, if he looks at his output quality as being 40% better by staying at home, that's a good option. Along a similar line, there are many places in the US where a 30 year employee stands right next to a new hire (year) and does exactly the same job for a much higher cost due to tenure. That has never made sense to me in instances where experience is not an important performance factor. I ran into this in Govt service in a group where people from grade GS-9 through GS-15 were doing similar jobs and projects, with the GS-15 not always the one most proficient in his/her specialized area of responsibility. The GS-15 usually had the most savvy and "corporate knowledge" from years of experience, but when joining a new group in a new area of responsibility, the GS-9 in that group might end up with a better substantive background than the GS-15. Funny though, everyone seemed to accept what would be considered a huge inequity in other workplaces, and the salary/grade thing seldom was looked upon as an issue. The one perceived inequity that always bugged me was that I had to pay the same health insurance premium for myself and my wife as the employee who had a wife and seven children. Before I retired, they did offer cash incentives to get some of us high-cost, 30+ year employees to leave early, so management certainly recognized what you mention. Bruce Bruce |
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:10:21 -0500, "Bruce Remick" wrote:
There was a piece on the national TV news a couple weeks ago about a company in Massachusetts who was ready to outsource its $30/hour computer tech jobs overseas where they could get the same results for $10/hour. Someone proposed that the company first offer these jobs locally at $10/hour. They ended up with a ton of applications from out-of-work computer people who were indeed willing to work for $10/hour rather than starve. Several of them were promoted before long into better paying jobs. I doubt I recalled all the specific details accurately, but the premise would seem a viable one to at least try in some cases. Bruce 'glad to be retired' Yes, an outstanding option, but the average $10/hr job in the us actually costs the employer $12-$13/hr by the time taxes, healthcare, retirement, etc. are paid. Of course, if he looks at his output quality as being 40% better by staying at home, that's a good option. Along a similar line, there are many places in the US where a 30 year employee stands right next to a new hire (year) and does exactly the same job for a much higher cost due to tenure. That has never made sense to me in instances where experience is not an important performance factor. BLReed To email me click he http://tinyurl.com/nd66 For collector coins and supplies at fair prices: http://tinyurl.com/pt9r Cool things: http://www.byronreed.com/byrons_collections/default.htm Talk bust coins: http://www.byronreed.com/phpBB2/index.php |
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Oh PULLEASE!!!
I have never heard such a cock in all my life. Who is creating the jobs for these highly educated Americans? The economy can only create new businesses oportunities at a certain rate, and then the pay will not match the lost wages in most cases, causing loss of revenue for local, state and federal coffers, which means that roads don't get fixed, people go sick without medical attention, and the standard of living for most americans falls. I ask, Have you been trickled on lately? -- * /?\ /___\ -O=O- ^ AS & His Magic Hat A conclusion is simply the place where you decided to stop thinking. "Byron L. Reed" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:38:51 GMT, wrote: An outsourced operation, in a place like India, China, The Philippines, etc.; where some greedy American corporation is saving a few pieces of Silver and displacing American workers in the process. That "greedy American corporation" is probably included in the 401(k) retirement plans of most everybody who reads this. Average American workers gain from this. The savings the corporation makes gives them pricing power, causing the average American worker to spend less money to acquire their goods and services. The establishment of business infrastructure in third world companies require the purchase of capital goods from the United States. This is good for average American workers who produce it. The removal of expensively educated American workers from mundane operations allows productivity to increase and engenders new business enterprise in the United States. This is good for average American workers (who aren't content with being lazy and insisting they keep the same job for life). For every non-competitive American job that is moved overseas, many more poor local people are to work. Thus, many more people are allowed to improve their lives. This injection of income encourages adoption of a modern economy, government, and social stability which will reduce the excuses for terrorism. This is good for average American workers - and everybody else in the world. The only people who really lose in the outsourcing equation are members of outdated and inefficient un-American union labor. BLReed To email me click he http://tinyurl.com/nd66 For collector coins and supplies at fair prices: http://tinyurl.com/pt9r Cool things: http://www.byronreed.com/byrons_collections/default.htm Talk bust coins: http://www.byronreed.com/phpBB2/index.php |
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An interesting discussion, But, it has nothing to do with purpose of this
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Maybe the "greedy" labor unions who demand 30.00/hour for a employee
to put screws in a refrigerator door should make up for this mythical lost medicine attention and cost of living decline. No one is guaranteed a job. Or maybe you'd like to have the US Government create jobs. We've all seen how that works. Two overpaid workers doing the same job as one in the private sector. Legalized welfare. People loose jobs everyday and MOST of them will find another one even if it is at a lower pay rate. There are no guarantees. Quite crying and start looking for work. On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:52:10 -0800, "Aladdin Sane" wrote: Oh PULLEASE!!! I have never heard such a cock in all my life. Who is creating the jobs for these highly educated Americans? The economy can only create new businesses oportunities at a certain rate, and then the pay will not match the lost wages in most cases, causing loss of revenue for local, state and federal coffers, which means that roads don't get fixed, people go sick without medical attention, and the standard of living for most americans falls. I ask, Have you been trickled on lately? Steve M |
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Which refridgerator door screwer gets $30/hr? How many make that amount?
Prove your point. Give us three examples by citing the contract that produces such economic largees. And if someone makes this salary, where do they spend it? In their neighborhood and country, stimulating paying jobs for grocery workers, furniture makers, and providing tax revenue to maintain highways and socitial infrastructure HERE. Otherwise you are just making up "FACTS". -- * /?\ /___\ -O=O- ^ AS & His Magic Hat A conclusion is simply the place where you decided to stop thinking. "Stephen Moore" wrote in message ... Maybe the "greedy" labor unions who demand 30.00/hour for a employee to put screws in a refrigerator door should make up for this mythical lost medicine attention and cost of living decline. No one is guaranteed a job. Or maybe you'd like to have the US Government create jobs. We've all seen how that works. Two overpaid workers doing the same job as one in the private sector. Legalized welfare. People loose jobs everyday and MOST of them will find another one even if it is at a lower pay rate. There are no guarantees. Quite crying and start looking for work. On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:52:10 -0800, "Aladdin Sane" wrote: Oh PULLEASE!!! I have never heard such a cock in all my life. Who is creating the jobs for these highly educated Americans? The economy can only create new businesses oportunities at a certain rate, and then the pay will not match the lost wages in most cases, causing loss of revenue for local, state and federal coffers, which means that roads don't get fixed, people go sick without medical attention, and the standard of living for most americans falls. I ask, Have you been trickled on lately? Steve M |
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