PING: Reid. Counterfeit St G's

Greetings!

A few days ago I said I thought I could likely assemble a date/mintmark set of
St G $20's, all counterfeit based on what I'd seen. I'm going to have to back
off on that, but here's a date by date breakdown.

!907 HR - First seen in 1976, by far the most common St counterfeit and the only
one I've seen more than two examples of.

!908 - One seen in 1979, I did not note if my example had the motto or not.
Plated base metal.

1909/8 - Altered date. seen at 1995 ANA convention.

1910 - two seen one in 1976, one in 1980, both described to me as "Lebanese
counterfeits". Good gold, die struck.

1911 - None seen

1912 - One seen in 1976, reverse appears identical to the 1910 and 1913 I list.

1913 - One seen in 1976.

1914 - None seen

1915 - None seen

1916 - none seen.

1920S - two seen, both in 1993, both added mintmark.

1921 - One seen in 1981, altered date 1927.

1922 - One seen in 1976, same reverse as the 1910.

1923 - One seen in 1976, same reverse as the 1910.

1924S - One seen 1996, added mintmark. My notes say "VERY poorly done'.

1924D - One seen 1998, added mintmark.

1925d - One seen 1988, added mintmark.

1926S - Two seen, one in 1986, one in 1995, added mintmark.

1927S - One seen in 1976, added mintmark.

1927d - One seen in 1976, added mintmark.

1928 - None seen

1929 - One seen in 1976, altered from 1928.

1930S - None seen

1931 - One seen in 1988, altered date from 1921(?)

1932 - One seen in 1993, altered date 1922.

1933 - Two seen, in 1981 and 1988....and one of them just might have been good!
Other certainly altered date 1923.

Bruce

On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:11:49 -0400, Reid Goldsborough is
alleged to have written:

On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:04:48 -0400, Bruce Hickmott
wrote:

Greetings!

A few days ago I said I thought I could likely assemble a date/mintmark set of
St G $20's, all counterfeit based on what I'd seen. I'm going to have to back
off on that

Hah! I knew it. All talk, all bluff, no action, no nuthin'.

Seriously, this is an impressive list.

!907 HR - First seen in 1976, by far the most common St counterfeit and the only
one I've seen more than two examples of.

I've seen one of these in person and a good number of pics. The HR
Saint fake I saw in person though wasn't an Omega fake, though the
seller tried to pawn it off as an Omega fake. A counterfeit of a
counterfeit! This was at one of the Baltimore shows, a seller whose
favorite grading company is SEGS and who calls himself a market maker
with high-end coins (to justify his pricing).

It was somewhat interesting to see that half of the coins on your list
you saw in 1980 or earlier. Well over half were altered authentic
coins rather than outright counterfeits, though I suppose adding
mintmarks and changing dates like this is a form of counterfeiting.


I just haven't seen much in the way of counterfeit St G's since then, other than
the 1907 HR. I think certification is driving them out of the market, which
would be a good thing.

Bruce