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WHAT WILL IT REALLY TAKE TO MAKE DEALERS CARE?
WHAT WILL IT REALLY TAKE TO MAKE DEALERS CARE?
In my opinion, it seems hell has to freeze over or the market to end due to shoddy coins from the lack of real self policing. Almost two months into the PCGS Lawsuit and all I hear from other dealers is disgust. Not disgust the right way. Many are sympathetic to the conspirators and feel PCGS is the bad guy. The PNG thinks I am just making noise for publictiy about them, yet they are hiding behind an internal wall of silence. At the ANA Show, I witnessed no changes, no dealers were scared, nothing. Sure, the coin docting issue was a topic, but no dealers cared to step forward and say stop. More complained about "airing laundry" then helping. What a bunch of BS. As far as I am concerned, there is s still a horribly disgusting mentality among most wholesale dealers that they have a right to ruin coins for profit. And my fellow retailers need to get over the fact its ok to look the other way-it is not. Well, I lump all of them (Non and PNG dealers) in to a "deadwood" catagory. ANY retail dealer who does nothing about this gets lumped in too. I predict within a year, unless the PNG really moves on his issue, they will be done as an organziation. I also predict you won't see many of your favorite dealers doing much business as they will be out of business. I am tired of pointing out how the PNG has been slow to react and has done little enforcement on coin doctoring. However, my new favorite routine is when they now say, since a doctor is not one of our members, why should we chase them? How would they like it if no one attended their PNG days? I think the public is starting to be fed up and will send them a message. Are there ANY dealers, ANY at all with ANY shred of decency or ehtics? I am blown away how at the ANA show all the bright young dealers are doing nothing but crackouts and a few are even becoming coin docs. This is NOT the way to go. Why isn't the PNG teaching or demanding strict ehtics from ALL dealers? How can ANY retail dealer not put pressure on a coin doctor? I find it hard to believe that save for a small handful of dealers I know of-Doug Winter, Al Pinkall, Bill Shamhart, John Albanese are the ONLY ones speaking out with any sincerity. Few others have been PUBLICALLY attacking the coins doctoring situation. Why? I guess its hard when your joined at the hip to a "crackout dealer" or coin doctor (or are related). If your town had posion in its drinking water, wouldn't you join any legit cause to rid the problem? ALL other retail dealers should be ashamed of themselves. I so tempted to name names. Ask your dealer what they are doing about this situation? If they say little or nothing, deal with someone who does! We need MORE pressure put on the bad guys! Dealers should be the direct warriors againts their own gone astry peers. I WILL PAY TO SEE THE COIN DOCTORS CAUGHT AND PUNISHED-I'M PUTTING OUT A CONTRACT! I have made a good living buying and selling coins. My passion is deep and I can not stand to see any negatives hurting the hobby. I am a collector first, dealer second. It is my strong personal opinion, coin doctors should not be allowed to walk a bourse floor or make a living by destroying precious rarities. Since I am NOT a member of the PNG nor plan on becoming on-but have been so highly critical of their lack of action, I will propose this unlikley motivation for them: I Laura Sperber, will donate to the ANA Young Numismatist fund ( or ANY fund of the PNGs choosing) 1,000.00 for EVERY coin doctor the PNG identifies and permenatley expells from their membership. If anyone wants to join me in creating a bigger fund, please email me. This is NOT a gimmick or PR move. I am desperate for these guys to do something NOW. I'd LOVE to see them convict 25 of the top dealers who are coin doctors. It would mean so much to the hobby. THE FIGHT GOES ON Some VERY interesting and mindblowing things will be reveald shortly from the PCGS lawsuit. Some of it will be shocking i am told. Dealers have to wake up NOW. Again, my main issue is the dealers attitudes. Sure, PCGS and NGC are paid to detect doctoring, BUT (the big BUT), its the dealers who are the criminals in that they try to defraud the grading services by altering the coins. The amount of dealers who think PCGS is wrong just amazes me. Only after they read their contract with them do they say an "oh". We need to work harder-especially the PNG to change dealers greedy attitudes. The ANA and ALL numismatic publications need to push harder too. I do not want to leave a good show like the ANA feeling "dirty" again. I am hoping by this time next year, a dozen or so docs and ruthless "crackout" dealers (mini docs-putting, haze, etc) are gone. If we do not put more pressure on these guys now, we'll have multiples more coins ruined by this time next year. I am sick of looking at ruined and overgraded coins! All comments are welcome. Please email . I would love to hear what you are doing about the coin doctoring situation. |
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On Aug 18, 6:33*am, "Laura Sperber" bloviated
excessively. First she's accused of stock manipulation. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.c...fead65b9a7e8d# Now she's complaining about the PNG. I can see this topic taking off on a tangent, eventually going OT, with hours and hours of entertainment contained therein. Can I get an "Oh, yeah!"? Jerry, the Cheerleader |
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WHAT WILL IT REALLY TAKE TO MAKE DEALERS CARE?
Jerry Dennis wrote:
On Aug 18, 6:33 am, "Laura Sperber" bloviated excessively. First she's accused of stock manipulation. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.c...fead65b9a7e8d# Now she's complaining about the PNG. I can see this topic taking off on a tangent, eventually going OT, with hours and hours of entertainment contained therein. Can I get an "Oh, yeah!"? It's awfully early in the thread to invoke Godwin's Law, but what the hey. Let's talk Schicklgruber! James the Bellicose |
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On Aug 18, 6:33*am, "Laura Sperber" wrote:
WHAT WILL IT REALLY TAKE TO MAKE DEALERS CARE? In my opinion, it seems hell has to freeze over or the market to end due to shoddy coins from the lack of real self policing. Almost two months into the PCGS Lawsuit and all I hear from other dealers is disgust. Not disgust the right way. Many are sympathetic to the conspirators and feel PCGS is the bad guy. The PNG thinks I am just making noise for publictiy about them, yet they are hiding behind an internal wall of silence. At the ANA Show, I witnessed no changes, no dealers were scared, nothing. Sure, the coin docting issue was a topic, but no dealers cared to step forward and say stop. More complained about "airing laundry" then helping. What a bunch of BS. As far as I am concerned, there is s still a horribly disgusting mentality among most wholesale dealers that they have a right to ruin coins for profit. And my fellow retailers need to get over the fact its ok to look the other way-it is not. Well, I lump all of them (Non and PNG dealers) in to a "deadwood" catagory. ANY retail dealer who does nothing about this gets lumped in too. I predict within a year, unless the PNG really moves on his issue, they will be done as an organziation. I also predict you won't see many of your favorite dealers doing much business as they will be out of business. I am tired of pointing out how the PNG has been slow to react and has done little enforcement on coin doctoring. However, my new favorite routine is when they now say, since a doctor is not one of our members, why should we chase them? *How would they like it if no one attended their PNG days? I think the public is starting to be fed up and will send them a message. Are there ANY dealers, ANY at all with ANY shred of decency or ehtics? I am blown away how at the ANA show all the bright young dealers are doing nothing but crackouts and a few are even becoming coin docs. This is NOT the way to go. Why isn't the PNG teaching or demanding strict ehtics from ALL dealers? How can ANY retail dealer not put pressure on a coin doctor? *I find it hard to believe that save for a small handful of dealers I know of-Doug Winter, Al Pinkall, Bill Shamhart, John Albanese are the ONLY ones speaking out with any sincerity. Few others have been PUBLICALLY attacking the coins doctoring situation. Why? I guess its hard when your joined at the hip to a "crackout dealer" or coin doctor (or are related). If your town had posion in its drinking water, wouldn't you join any legit cause to rid the problem? ALL other retail dealers should be ashamed of themselves. I so tempted to name names. Ask your dealer what they are doing about this situation? If they say little or nothing, deal with someone who does! We need MORE pressure put on the bad guys! Dealers should be the direct warriors againts their own gone astry peers. I WILL PAY TO SEE THE COIN DOCTORS CAUGHT AND PUNISHED-I'M PUTTING OUT A CONTRACT! I have made a good living buying and selling coins. My passion is deep and I can not stand to see any negatives hurting the hobby. I am a collector first, dealer second. It is my strong personal opinion, coin doctors should not be allowed to walk a bourse floor or make a living by destroying precious rarities. Since I am NOT a member of the PNG nor plan on becoming on-but have been so highly critical of their lack of action, I will propose this unlikley motivation for them: I Laura Sperber, will donate to the ANA Young Numismatist fund ( or ANY fund of the PNGs choosing) 1,000.00 for EVERY coin doctor the PNG identifies and permenatley expells from their membership. If anyone wants to join me in creating a bigger fund, please email me. *This is NOT a gimmick or PR move. I am desperate for these guys to do something NOW. I'd LOVE to see them convict 25 of the top dealers who are coin doctors. It would mean so much to the hobby. THE FIGHT GOES ON Some VERY interesting and mindblowing things will be reveald shortly from the PCGS lawsuit. Some of it will be shocking i am told. Dealers have to wake up NOW. Again, my main issue is the dealers attitudes. Sure, PCGS and NGC are paid to detect doctoring, BUT (the big BUT), its the dealers who are the criminals in that they try to defraud the grading services by altering the coins. The amount of dealers who think PCGS is wrong just amazes me. Only after they read their contract with them do they say an "oh". We need to work harder-especially the PNG to change dealers greedy attitudes. The ANA and ALL numismatic publications need to push harder too. I do not want to leave a good show like the ANA feeling "dirty" again. I am hoping by this time next year, a dozen or so docs and ruthless "crackout" dealers (mini docs-putting, haze, etc) are gone. If we do not put more pressure on these guys now, we'll have multiples more coins ruined by this time next year. I am sick of looking at ruined and overgraded coins! All comments are welcome. Please email . I would love to hear what you are doing about the coin doctoring situation. I guess I thought that leadership involved defining an issue clearly and explaining fully the remedies. Anger and revenge seem to flow in other channels. |
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Laura Sperber wrote:
WHAT WILL IT REALLY TAKE TO MAKE DEALERS CARE? In my opinion, it seems hell has to freeze over or the market to end due to shoddy coins from the lack of real self policing. Almost two months into the PCGS Lawsuit and all I hear from other dealers is disgust. Not disgust the right way. Many are sympathetic to the conspirators and feel PCGS is the bad guy. The PNG thinks I am just making noise for publictiy about them, yet they are hiding behind an internal wall of silence. At the ANA Show, I witnessed no changes, no dealers were scared, nothing. Sure, the coin docting issue was a topic, but no dealers cared to step forward and say stop. More complained about "airing laundry" then helping. What a bunch of BS. As far as I am concerned, there is s still a horribly disgusting mentality among most wholesale dealers that they have a right to ruin coins for profit. And my fellow retailers need to get over the fact its ok to look the other way-it is not. Well, I lump all of them (Non and PNG dealers) in to a "deadwood" catagory. ANY retail dealer who does nothing about this gets lumped in too. I predict within a year, unless the PNG really moves on his issue, they will be done as an organziation. I also predict you won't see many of your favorite dealers doing much business as they will be out of business. I am tired of pointing out how the PNG has been slow to react and has done little enforcement on coin doctoring. However, my new favorite routine is when they now say, since a doctor is not one of our members, why should we chase them? How would they like it if no one attended their PNG days? I think the public is starting to be fed up and will send them a message. Are there ANY dealers, ANY at all with ANY shred of decency or ehtics? I am blown away how at the ANA show all the bright young dealers are doing nothing but crackouts and a few are even becoming coin docs. This is NOT the way to go. Why isn't the PNG teaching or demanding strict ehtics from ALL dealers? How can ANY retail dealer not put pressure on a coin doctor? I find it hard to believe that save for a small handful of dealers I know of-Doug Winter, Al Pinkall, Bill Shamhart, John Albanese are the ONLY ones speaking out with any sincerity. Few others have been PUBLICALLY attacking the coins doctoring situation. Why? I guess its hard when your joined at the hip to a "crackout dealer" or coin doctor (or are related). If your town had posion in its drinking water, wouldn't you join any legit cause to rid the problem? ALL other retail dealers should be ashamed of themselves. I so tempted to name names. Ask your dealer what they are doing about this situation? If they say little or nothing, deal with someone who does! We need MORE pressure put on the bad guys! Dealers should be the direct warriors againts their own gone astry peers. I WILL PAY TO SEE THE COIN DOCTORS CAUGHT AND PUNISHED-I'M PUTTING OUT A CONTRACT! I have made a good living buying and selling coins. My passion is deep and I can not stand to see any negatives hurting the hobby. I am a collector first, dealer second. It is my strong personal opinion, coin doctors should not be allowed to walk a bourse floor or make a living by destroying precious rarities. Since I am NOT a member of the PNG nor plan on becoming on-but have been so highly critical of their lack of action, I will propose this unlikley motivation for them: I Laura Sperber, will donate to the ANA Young Numismatist fund ( or ANY fund of the PNGs choosing) 1,000.00 for EVERY coin doctor the PNG identifies and permenatley expells from their membership. If anyone wants to join me in creating a bigger fund, please email me. This is NOT a gimmick or PR move. I am desperate for these guys to do something NOW. I'd LOVE to see them convict 25 of the top dealers who are coin doctors. It would mean so much to the hobby. THE FIGHT GOES ON Some VERY interesting and mindblowing things will be reveald shortly from the PCGS lawsuit. Some of it will be shocking i am told. Dealers have to wake up NOW. Again, my main issue is the dealers attitudes. Sure, PCGS and NGC are paid to detect doctoring, BUT (the big BUT), its the dealers who are the criminals in that they try to defraud the grading services by altering the coins. The amount of dealers who think PCGS is wrong just amazes me. Only after they read their contract with them do they say an "oh". We need to work harder-especially the PNG to change dealers greedy attitudes. The ANA and ALL numismatic publications need to push harder too. I do not want to leave a good show like the ANA feeling "dirty" again. I am hoping by this time next year, a dozen or so docs and ruthless "crackout" dealers (mini docs-putting, haze, etc) are gone. If we do not put more pressure on these guys now, we'll have multiples more coins ruined by this time next year. I am sick of looking at ruined and overgraded coins! All comments are welcome. Please email . I would love to hear what you are doing about the coin doctoring situation. How many doctored coins did you see in the dealers inventory? How many dealers were in favor coin doctoring? JAM |
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