FA: Architectural Gardens of Italy by Arthur Holland Forbes

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6550166832

This book is retailing at www.abe.com for $2200; I am offering a fine
copy at a significant discount from this.

I have been a seller on eBay for seven and a half years, have no
negative feedback, and offer a money back guarantee on this item. (I
mention this because I normally sell stamps, not books, so you wouldn't
know me from this group).

FORBES , ARTHUR HOLLAND.
Architectural gardens of Italy. A series of photogravure plates from
photographs made for and selected by A. Holland Forbes.
New York: Forbes & Co., Ltd. and sold exclusively in the United States
by Jas. E. O'Neill 1902. Edition limited to 750 sets (this being set
no. 116), 3 pictorial green cloth portfolios (approx 17 1/2" x 13 1/2")
containing a total of 196 gravure plates; some wear on the portfolios;
plates are generally fine throughout.
Forbes (1863-1927) was a wealthy balloonist who organized the Aero Club
of Connecticut and wrote the basic draft for the first aeronautical law
in the United States, passed by the Connecticut Legislature and signed
into law by Governor Simeon Baldwin on June 8, 1911, and was appointed
Connecticut's first Commissioner of Aeronautics.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:59:45 GMT, "Eric Hochman"
wrote:

I have been a seller on eBay for seven and a half years, have no
negative feedback,

Well if you'd like some, just keep spamming your auctions to places
where they aren't welcome.

(complaints sent to ISP & eBay)

Funny how people can't read but still want to sell books....

Andy Dingley wrote:

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:59:45 GMT, "Eric Hochman"
wrote:

I have been a seller on eBay for seven and a half years, have no
negative feedback,

Well if you'd like some, just keep spamming your auctions to places
where they aren't welcome.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to be snotty, but let me point out
that if you look back several weeks on this group there are plenty of
"for sale" and "for auction" posts, and *NO FAQ* posted to say that
there shouldn't be.

I shouldn't have to look months back to find your semi-secret FAQ. If
you want people to follow the rules, they need to be visible.

Maybe if you had a .marketplace subgroup, people wouldn't feel the need
to post commercial stuff in the main group. One doesn't necessarily
want to post antiquarian/collectible book offers next to someone trying
to sell their box of romance novels. (Nothing wrong with the latter,
but different market.)


(complaints sent to ISP & eBay)

It will be one of the seven signs of the end of the world when eBay
cares more about your newsgroup than about making money.

Eric Hochman wrote:
Andy Dingley wrote:


On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:59:45 GMT, "Eric Hochman"
wrote:


I have been a seller on eBay for seven and a half years, have no
negative feedback,

Well if you'd like some, just keep spamming your auctions to places
where they aren't welcome.


I'm not sure why you feel the need to be snotty, but let me point out
that if you look back several weeks on this group there are plenty of
"for sale" and "for auction" posts, and *NO FAQ* posted to say that
there shouldn't be.

I shouldn't have to look months back to find your semi-secret FAQ. If
you want people to follow the rules, they need to be visible.

Maybe if you had a .marketplace subgroup, people wouldn't feel the need
to post commercial stuff in the main group. One doesn't necessarily
want to post antiquarian/collectible book offers next to someone trying
to sell their box of romance novels. (Nothing wrong with the latter,
but different market.)


(complaints sent to ISP & eBay)


It will be one of the seven signs of the end of the world when eBay
cares more about your newsgroup than about making money.



Your charming manner has truly impressed me. Do you handle complaints from a
buyer this well?


Francis A. Miniter

Eric Hochman wrote:

I'm not sure why you feel the need to be snotty, but let me point out [snip]

His excuse is that spammers are fair game! What's yours?

I shouldn't have to look months back to find your semi-secret FAQ.

Fair point, I suppose. No one has posted the faqs recently (for your
information, they are he http://www.massmedia.com/~mikeb/rcb/). But
it's only common sense to hang around and watch a newsgroup for a
while, and see which way the wind blows before barging in.

By the way, did you know that rec.collecting.stamps has a charter
prohibiting commercial postings
(http://www.angelfire.com/wa/andyhiggins/rcsdinfo.html)? It rather
looks as though the group's failure to shoo away spammers has led to
the demise of that forum as a place to discuss stamps, rather than buy
and sell them, despite the fact that there is a
rec.collecting.stamps.marketplace group. People are aggressive over
here because they don't want things to go the same way in this
newsgroup.

Maybe if you had a .marketplace subgroup

Try
alt.books.marketplace
rec.arts.books.marketplace

It will be one of the seven signs of the end of the world when eBay
cares more about your newsgroup than about making money.

Don't bank on it. Spamming newsgroups is a tosable offence, both with
eBay and with your ISP.

Andy could have been gentler with you, but when you post on Usenet you
take your chances. Your best bet now would be to stop whining and move
on.

Sorry, but there it is.

John
http://rarebooksinjapan.com

Francis A. Miniter wrote:

Eric Hochman wrote:
Andy Dingley wrote:


On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:59:45 GMT, "Eric Hochman"
wrote:


I have been a seller on eBay for seven and a half years, have no
negative feedback,

Well if you'd like some, just keep spamming your auctions to
places where they aren't welcome.


I'm not sure why you feel the need to be snotty, but let me point
out that if you look back several weeks on this group there are
plenty of "for sale" and "for auction" posts, and *NO FAQ* posted
to say that there shouldn't be.

I shouldn't have to look months back to find your semi-secret FAQ.
If you want people to follow the rules, they need to be visible.

Maybe if you had a .marketplace subgroup, people wouldn't feel the
need to post commercial stuff in the main group. One doesn't
necessarily want to post antiquarian/collectible book offers next
to someone trying to sell their box of romance novels. (Nothing
wrong with the latter, but different market.)


(complaints sent to ISP & eBay)


It will be one of the seven signs of the end of the world when eBay
cares more about your newsgroup than about making money.



Your charming manner has truly impressed me. Do you handle
complaints from a buyer this well?


Francis A. Miniter

Francis,

I don't get many complaints -- maybe one or two a year, and they've
always been handled reasonably. With one exception that I can think
of, they complained politely, and explained what their issue was.
Sometimes my response was to take the item back, and sometimes it was
to point out that their issue was addressed in the item's description.
But either way, it wasn't a matter of confrontation, or cause for
rudeness.

The point is rudeness begets rudeness. Only here on Usenet would
anyone expect me to be apologetic to someone who starts off by
insulting me and trying to get me in trouble with eBay and my ISP.

Let me explain it another way. Suppose you buy a toaster and it
doesn't work. Would you politely explain that it doesn't work and ask
to return it, or would you walk into the store ranting and raving and
tell them you've already reported them to the FTC and the Better
Business Bureau?

-Eric

"Eric Hochman" wrote in message
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Andy Dingley wrote:

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:59:45 GMT, "Eric Hochman"
wrote:

I have been a seller on eBay for seven and a half years, have no
negative feedback,

Well if you'd like some, just keep spamming your auctions to places
where they aren't welcome.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to be snotty, but let me point out
that if you look back several weeks on this group there are plenty of
"for sale" and "for auction" posts, and *NO FAQ* posted to say that
there shouldn't be.



It really depends on who responds to you. I sometimes write privately. (I
don't know how many others do.) But you rather made the point...if we don't
tell people publically that spamming this group isn't allowed, people like
you, who don't know how to look up a FAQ even though they've been on the
internet for 7 years, won't be aware of how egregious we find it. (For
future reference, try entering the name of the newsgroup and "FAQ" on
Google. it's the first .)

Interestingly enough, the few people who've respected their potential future
customers enough to apologize for offending them have been warmly invited to
stay and discuss books. It happened just a week or two ago.

Alice

--
Book collecting terms illustrated. Occasional books for sale.
http://www.mywingsbooks.com/

John R. Yamamoto-Wilson wrote:

Eric Hochman wrote:

I'm not sure why you feel the need to be snotty, but let me point
out [snip]

His excuse is that spammers are fair game! What's yours?

What's mine? That I don't appreciate being treated like some jerk for
posting something that is actually relevant to the group (it's not like
I'm posting ads for fake Viagra or something). My point is that if
you're going to have such a rigid definition of what is appropriate to
post, the rules should be easy to find.


I shouldn't have to look months back to find your semi-secret FAQ.

Fair point, I suppose. No one has posted the faqs recently (for your
information, they are he http://www.massmedia.com/~mikeb/rcb/). But
it's only common sense to hang around and watch a newsgroup for a
while, and see which way the wind blows before barging in.

I don't think it's out of line, if I have something to sell, to look
for a relevant group, see if there is a .marketplace subgroup attached
to it (no), see if people have been posting ads over the past few weeks
(yes), not see an FAQ, and figure that it's OK to post my auction. If
you don't agreee, so be it.


By the way, did you know that rec.collecting.stamps has a charter
prohibiting commercial postings
(http://www.angelfire.com/wa/andyhiggins/rcsdinfo.html)? It rather
looks as though the group's failure to shoo away spammers has led to
the demise of that forum as a place to discuss stamps, rather than buy
and sell them, despite the fact that there is a
rec.collecting.stamps.marketplace group. People are aggressive over
here because they don't want things to go the same way in this
newsgroup.

I'm well aware of rec.collecting.stamps.marketplace and post my stamp
ads there, not to the main group. I'm not sure why discussion in the
main stamp group is deadish. rec.collecting.coins doesn't have a
..marketplace and manages to carry on discussions about coins along with
ads from people selling/auctioning coins. The philatelic.com mailing
list manages to survive mixing stamp discussion with sales. I've never
understood why groups for collectors would want to shoo away RELEVANT
advertising.


Maybe if you had a .marketplace subgroup

Try
alt.books.marketplace
rec.arts.books.marketplace


I did, once it was pointed out to me. My point is it might be nice to
have a group to specifically market collectible books.

It will be one of the seven signs of the end of the world when eBay
cares more about your newsgroup than about making money.

Don't bank on it. Spamming newsgroups is a tosable offence, both with
eBay and with your ISP.

Andy could have been gentler with you, but when you post on Usenet you
take your chances. Your best bet now would be to stop whining and move
on.

Sorry, but there it is.

John
http://rarebooksinjapan.com


Yeah, probably. I just feel like getting the last word in today.

-Eric

my-wings wrote:


It really depends on who responds to you. I sometimes write
privately. (I don't know how many others do.) But you rather made the
point...if we don't tell people publically that spamming this group
isn't allowed, people like you, who don't know how to look up a FAQ
even though they've been on the internet for 7 years, won't be aware
of how egregious we find it. (For future reference, try entering the
name of the newsgroup and "FAQ" on Google. it's the first .)

Interestingly enough, the few people who've respected their potential
future customers enough to apologize for offending them have been
warmly invited to stay and discuss books. It happened just a week or
two ago.

Alice

Alice,

Is that the normal protocol, to Google for newsgroup FAQs rather than
expect to see them (or a link to them) posted in the group? I've
actually been on the Internet 23 years (it was the ARPAnet back then)
but haven't been a Usenet regular since the early '90s. If an FAQ
existed, it was posted to the group, frequently. It didn't occur to me
that things might have changed in that regard. I figured if there was
an FAQ, people would post links to it regularly.

My apologies to you and the group if I have been an Internet dinosaur.

-Eric