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How to report shill bidders to the FBI
On 8/5/2010 6:23 AM, Relayer wrote:
On Aug 3, 6:36 am, wrote: When you suspect this I suggest you report it as a crime for investigation with shill bidders. Seller can get up to 10 years -www.cybercrime.govto learn more. Engaging Law Enforcement on suspicious activity is your job also. Don't neglect that aspect. If we want ebay to stay clean, it has to happen. I had a suspicious reverse shill expose my reserve, so I am making a report (Administrative Cancel). The FBI is cracking down (at least as I understand it). Cyber crime of shills is very catchable in the long run. Since you provided email addresses and IP;s in using the site, reverse lookups of public infomation can track down networks of shills. Shilling requires a naive seller or bidder. Report the suspected crime not just to ebay. Keep ebay informed if you plan to report suspicious activity. Shilling on ebay may be somewaht common, but it's a stupid crime. You'd have to do enough to make it worth while, and then your activity is noticed by the fraud investigation systems for targeting. If you are a criminal - stop, If you are thinking about doing it - don't. There are ways to catch you that even a ordinary computer person like me knows. Besides remember even the police buy and sell on ebay. 1 in 99 sellers is likely in Law Enforcement, legal (attorney), a security or in some type of justice role. I am not, but do I really want to take a chance??? I have used Intellius for one background check in another area (not ebay), it costs but was worth it. How do they know who you are shilling with... Google links and social networking, is just the start. Vigilant reporting is key, and not just to ebay.... They best way to prevent being a "victim" of it is to bid your best price and leave it at that. Always bid your proxy max ONCE and VERY LATE in the auction. If the price at that point does not meet your goals, do not bid. If the price does meet your goals, it does not matter in the least how the price got to that point. http://wwww.tinaja.com/glib/ebaybuys.pdf -- Many thanks, Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073 Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com |
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How to report shill bidders to the FBI
On Aug 5, 7:59*am, "Mr. Jaggers" wrote:
Relayer wrote: [cross-posted material removed] They best way to prevent being a "victim" of it is to bid your best price and leave it at that. That does not solve the problem, because of the way proxy bidding works. Whether it's an advance bid or a snipe bid makes no difference, either. *A shill bid placed at any time still increases the amount that the winning bidder must pay. *He might enjoy the satisfaction of winning, but he still pays more because of it. Due to eBay's current protocol, the likelihood of being shilled at some time or other is very high, while the likelihood of knowing that you have been shilled in a specific case and being able to prove it is very small. *That is the reason that eBay will not waste its resources following up on each and every shilling allegation it receives. Several years ago I reported a sickeningly obvious shill to eBay - the shill bidder was an employee of the coin dealer who had posted the auction, and I knew both of them. *The perpetrator got slapped for it, but that was back when a bidder's ID was much more transparent. *It would be massively more difficult to accomplish that today. James the Occasional Victim You've said it well, mon vieux. I well might want the item at my maximum bid, but why do I want to pay that if I can get the item for less??? Everything that ebay has done over the last one or two years to reduce the transparency of their "auctions" plays into the hands of the ebay seller with a heart of larceny. oly |
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How to report shill bidders to the FBI
On Aug 5, 8:23*am, Relayer wrote:
They best way to prevent being a "victim" of it is to bid your best price and leave it at that. While that will limit you to paying what you were willing, you can still end up paying more than you should. The fake/shill bid will run your bid up and possibly outbid it. You'll get a second-chance offer. Seller gets the maximum possible. Don's answer is best (snipe with your max. bid). In fact, e-bay should allow the option of a silent bid. This defeats the "it's just another $" psychology of the auction that drives prices up, so won't ever happen. - Kerry |
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How to report shill bidders to the FBI
oly wrote:
On Aug 5, 7:59 am, "Mr. Jaggers" wrote: Relayer wrote: [cross-posted material removed] They best way to prevent being a "victim" of it is to bid your best price and leave it at that. That does not solve the problem, because of the way proxy bidding works. Whether it's an advance bid or a snipe bid makes no difference, either. A shill bid placed at any time still increases the amount that the winning bidder must pay. He might enjoy the satisfaction of winning, but he still pays more because of it. Due to eBay's current protocol, the likelihood of being shilled at some time or other is very high, while the likelihood of knowing that you have been shilled in a specific case and being able to prove it is very small. That is the reason that eBay will not waste its resources following up on each and every shilling allegation it receives. Several years ago I reported a sickeningly obvious shill to eBay - the shill bidder was an employee of the coin dealer who had posted the auction, and I knew both of them. The perpetrator got slapped for it, but that was back when a bidder's ID was much more transparent. It would be massively more difficult to accomplish that today. James the Occasional Victim You've said it well, mon vieux. I well might want the item at my maximum bid, but why do I want to pay that if I can get the item for less??? Everything that ebay has done over the last one or two years to reduce the transparency of their "auctions" plays into the hands of the ebay seller with a heart of larceny. I guess we never really know if we got the best price, even when face-to-face with a dealer at a show. It's all a big poker game, and he who indulges with the idea that collecting coins is a profit-making activity is, oh heck, fill in the blank with your favorite predicate adjective_________________. James the Diagrammer |
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How to report shill bidders to the FBI
Kerry Imming wrote:
...In fact, e-bay should allow the option of a silent bid... Which would be totally demisincongruent to the purpose of an auction, and the purpose of eBay, and the purpose of the seller presence - to maximize profits. Lumpy In Your Ears for Fifty Years! www.LumpyMusic.com |
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How to report shill bidders to the FBI
On 8/5/2010 10:11 AM, Kerry Imming wrote:
On Aug 5, 8:23 am, wrote: They best way to prevent being a "victim" of it is to bid your best price and leave it at that. While that will limit you to paying what you were willing, you can still end up paying more than you should. The fake/shill bid will run your bid up and possibly outbid it. You'll get a second-chance offer. Seller gets the maximum possible. Don's answer is best (snipe with your max. bid). In fact, e-bay should allow the option of a silent bid. This defeats the "it's just another $" psychology of the auction that drives prices up, so won't ever happen. - Kerry You ALWAYS pay more than you should. Otherwise the transaction does not occur. -- Many thanks, Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073 Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com |
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How to report shill bidders to the FBI
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lid says... 1-800-CALLFBI On 2010-08-03, Rander wrote: When you suspect this I suggest you report it as a crime for investigation with shill bidders. Seller can get up to 10 years - www.cybercrime.gov to learn more. snip Use the direct line, 1-202-324-3000. Tell Director Mueller I sent you. -- James E. Morrow Email to: |
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How to report shill bidders to the FBI
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Always bid your proxy max ONCE and VERY LATE in the auction. If the price at that point does not meet your goals, do not bid. If the price does meet your goals, it does not matter in the least how the price got to that point. Everybody memorize Don's post. It is all you need to know about shilling. If you are not dumb nobody can shill you. -- James E. Morrow Email to: |
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How to report shill bidders to the FBI
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