How to report shill bidders to the FBI

Lumpy wrote:
Ignoramus30382 wrote:
1-800-CALLFBI

This totally silly, to be devoting so much time
on such a nonsensical topic as shill bidding.

Did you guys see the color of Chelsea's gown?

And how 'bout Bristol and Levi. They're on and off
more than Frank and Brickie.


Lumpy

In Your Ears for Fifty Years!
www.LumpyMusic.com


They are coin dealers Lumpy. They think a Bristol or Levi is a coin in
Israel.

I wish they were in Israel. And the coin dealers too.

On Aug 4, 7:57*pm, BrotherBart wrote:
Lumpy wrote:
Ignoramus30382 wrote:
1-800-CALLFBI

This totally silly, to be devoting so much time
on such a nonsensical topic as shill bidding.

Did you guys see the color of Chelsea's gown?

And how 'bout Bristol and Levi. They're on and off
more than Frank and Brickie.

Lumpy

In Your Ears for Fifty Years!
www.LumpyMusic.com

They are coin dealers Lumpy. They think a Bristol or Levi is a coin in
Israel.

I wish they were in Israel. And the coin dealers too.- Hide quoted text -

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Back in the 1970s certain coin dealers got gaga about Israel Coins.
Today's crop of coin dealers have no idea, I've seen them offer less
than melt for a Seafaring.

oly

oly wrote:
Back in the 1970s certain coin dealers got gaga about Israel Coins.
Today's crop of coin dealers have no idea, I've seen them offer less
than melt for a Seafaring.

Waddl'ya give me for a 71 Levi?


Lumpy

In Your Ears for Fifty Years!
www.LumpyMusic.com

On Aug 4, 9:14*pm, "Lumpy" wrote:
oly wrote:
Back in the 1970s certain coin dealers got gaga about Israel Coins.
Today's crop of coin dealers have no idea, I've seen them offer less
than melt for a Seafaring.

Waddl'ya give me for a 71 Levi?

Lumpy

In Your Ears for Fifty Years!www.LumpyMusic.com

I know it shocking Mr. Lumpy, but I think Bristol's Levi is about a
1991 or 1992 model.

Almost everybody on the forum is a D-I-N-O-S-A-U-R pronounced "old
****".

oly

On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 18:53:43 -0400, BrotherBart
wrote:

Lumpy wrote:
Some idiot wrote:
When you suspect this I suggest you report it as a crime for
investigation with shill bidders. Seller can get up to 10 years
-www.cybercrime.govto learn more.

"Hey buddy...What are you in for?"

""Murder, rape, conspiracy and selling narcotics. You?""

"I shill bid a 1943 penny"

""Cool. You're my bitch!""


Lumpy

In Your Ears for Fifty Years!
www.LumpyMusic.com



It's a national security thing.



Silly me, I thought it was a national insecurity thing.

On Aug 3, 6:36*am, "Rander" wrote:
When you suspect this I suggest you report it as a crime for investigation
with shill bidders. Seller can get up to 10 years -www.cybercrime.govto
learn more.

Engaging Law Enforcement on suspicious activity is your job also. Don't
neglect that aspect. If we want ebay to stay clean, it has to happen. I had
a suspicious reverse shill expose my reserve, so I am making a report
(Administrative Cancel). The FBI is cracking down (at least as I understand
it).

Cyber crime of shills is very catchable in the long run. Since you provided
email addresses and IP;s in using the site, reverse lookups of public
infomation can track down networks of shills. Shilling requires a naive
seller or bidder. Report the suspected crime not just to ebay. Keep ebay
informed if you plan to report suspicious activity. Shilling on ebay may be
somewaht common, but it's a stupid crime. You'd have to do enough to make it
worth while, and then your activity is noticed by the fraud investigation
systems for targeting.

If you are a criminal - stop, If you are thinking about doing it - don't.
There are ways to catch you that even a ordinary computer person like me
knows. Besides remember even the police buy and sell on ebay. 1 in 99
sellers is likely in Law Enforcement, legal (attorney), a security or in
some type of justice role. I am not, but do I really want to take a
chance???

I have used Intellius for one background check in another area (not ebay),
it costs but was worth it.

How do they know who you are shilling with... Google links and social
networking, is just the start.

Vigilant reporting is key, and not just to ebay....

They best way to prevent being a "victim" of it is to bid your best
price and leave it at that.

Relayer wrote:

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They best way to prevent being a "victim" of it is to bid your best
price and leave it at that.

That does not solve the problem, because of the way proxy bidding works.
Whether it's an advance bid or a snipe bid makes no difference, either. A
shill bid placed at any time still increases the amount that the winning
bidder must pay. He might enjoy the satisfaction of winning, but he still
pays more because of it.

Due to eBay's current protocol, the likelihood of being shilled at some time
or other is very high, while the likelihood of knowing that you have been
shilled in a specific case and being able to prove it is very small. That
is the reason that eBay will not waste its resources following up on each
and every shilling allegation it receives.

Several years ago I reported a sickeningly obvious shill to eBay - the shill
bidder was an employee of the coin dealer who had posted the auction, and I
knew both of them. The perpetrator got slapped for it, but that was back
when a bidder's ID was much more transparent. It would be massively more
difficult to accomplish that today.

James the Occasional Victim

On Aug 3, 7:36*am, "Rander" wrote:
When you suspect this I suggest you report it as a crime for investigation
with shill bidders. Seller can get up to 10 years -www.cybercrime.govto
learn more.

Engaging Law Enforcement on suspicious activity is your job also. Don't
neglect that aspect. If we want ebay to stay clean, it has to happen. I had
a suspicious reverse shill expose my reserve, so I am making a report
(Administrative Cancel). The FBI is cracking down (at least as I understand
it).

Cyber crime of shills is very catchable in the long run. Since you provided
email addresses and IP;s in using the site, reverse lookups of public
infomation can track down networks of shills. Shilling requires a naive
seller or bidder. Report the suspected crime not just to ebay. Keep ebay
informed if you plan to report suspicious activity. Shilling on ebay may be
somewaht common, but it's a stupid crime. You'd have to do enough to make it
worth while, and then your activity is noticed by the fraud investigation
systems for targeting.

If you are a criminal - stop, If you are thinking about doing it - don't.
There are ways to catch you that even a ordinary computer person like me
knows. Besides remember even the police buy and sell on ebay. 1 in 99
sellers is likely in Law Enforcement, legal (attorney), a security or in
some type of justice role. I am not, but do I really want to take a
chance???

I have used Intellius for one background check in another area (not ebay),
it costs but was worth it.

How do they know who you are shilling with... Google links and social
networking, is just the start.

Vigilant reporting is key, and not just to ebay....

rat *******

On 8/4/2010 5:58 PM, Lumpy wrote:
Ignoramus30382 wrote:
1-800-CALLFBI

This totally silly, to be devoting so much time
on such a nonsensical topic as shill bidding.

Did you guys see the color of Chelsea's gown?

And how 'bout Bristol and Levi. They're on and off
more than Frank and Brickie.


Lumpy

In Your Ears for Fifty Years!
www.LumpyMusic.com




What do you get when you cross a crooked politician with a shyster lawyer?

Chelsea.

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On 8/4/2010 8:14 PM, Lumpy wrote:
oly wrote:

Waddl'ya give me for a 71 Levi?


Lumpy

In Your Ears for Fifty Years!
www.LumpyMusic.com



With or without the steel belted radials?


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