How to report shill bidders to the FBI

On Aug 4, 9:35*am, oly wrote:
On Aug 4, 9:21*am, "Lumpy" wrote:

Robert Perkis wrote:
Racist comments are not welcome here.

Here? Just where is "here"?
You've cross posted to three newsgroups, you ****in' dickwad.
Something tells me you don't have the permission of
every subscriber of every group to be their proxy
spokesman.

Now go put your church lady dress back in the closet
and get back to work.

Lumpy

In Your Ears for Fifty Years!www.LumpyMusic.com

Give 'em hell, Lumpy, my man!!! *This being 8/4 and all!!!

oly

Speaking of shill bidders (people bidding on their own auctions):

Two days ago, on ebay, I bid on an old "Folio Society" book on Charles
II being sold by a UK vendor.

The thing had been up for about nine days or so, on a ten day listing,
with no bids.

Price was 9.75 GBP, plus 4 GBP postage. I bid 11.75 GBP because I an
interested in the book and I was trying to be polite offerring a bit
more than the minimum. However, I anticipated that bidder interest
would be low.

Within ten minutes (closer to five), there was a second bid of 12.25
GBP. I let the lot go, and a day or so later, it "sold" at that
price.

Last night, the same book was relisted at 9.75 GBP. Same book, same
exact auction description word for word (and this book was sold in
"less than perfect" condition with some specific faults).

I did rebid when I saw it, @ 9.75 GBP and no more.

This morning, I have a "second chance offer" from the seller @ 11.75
GBP plus the postage. She notes that she has seen my rebid and
explains that she just happens to have a second copy of the same
book. But she counters that I could save nine days of waiting.

Maybe I will, maybe I won't. The 'Memoirs of the Comte de Gramont, by
Anthony Hamilton' have waited 300 years for me so far.

That's the kind of thing that I am seeing more and more of on ebay.

oly

mazorj wrote:
Any response here is just feeding the troll...

I've seen photos of Frank and Brickboy playing
"feed the troll"


Lumpy

In Your Ears for Fifty Years!
www.LumpyMusic.com

On Aug 4, 12:18*pm, "The Unknown Poster" wrote:
What the **** does any of this have to do with aftershave?


Are all the troll posts coming from the same person at Genetech Inc.
in San Francisco, CA? I certainly hope they're not assuming that
anything Internet related is anonymous or that making up new profiles
helps to hide anything.

- Kerry

Kerry Imming wrote:

Are all the troll posts coming from the same person at Genetech Inc.
in San Francisco, CA? ...

Genetech is well known as the crack cocaine
distributing subsidiary of the ANA. They're
working on the pinballers next.


Lumpy

In Your Ears for Fifty Years!
www.LumpyMusic.com

On 8/3/2010 4:36 AM, Rander wrote:
When you suspect this I suggest you report it as a crime for
investigation with shill bidders. Seller can get up to 10 years -
www.cybercrime.gov to learn more.


Total bull****.

The Uniform Commercial Code specifically allows shill bidding under
certain circumstances. It is not in any manner illegal.

Under others, the henious remedy is that the price reverts to the
preshill price.

Shill bidding is not possible on eBay.
For a detailed explanation why, see
http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu10.asp#d07-03-10

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On Aug 3, 9:20*am, maldo wrote:
On Aug 3, 5:36*am, "Rander" wrote:





When you suspect this I suggest you report it as a crime for investigation
with shill bidders. Seller can get up to 10 years -www.cybercrime.govto
learn more.

Engaging Law Enforcement on suspicious activity is your job also. Don't
neglect that aspect. If we want ebay to stay clean, it has to happen. I had
a suspicious reverse shill expose my reserve, so I am making a report
(Administrative Cancel). The FBI is cracking down (at least as I understand
it).

Cyber crime of shills is very catchable in the long run. Since you provided
email addresses and IP;s in using the site, reverse lookups of public
infomation can track down networks of shills. Shilling requires a naive
seller or bidder. Report the suspected crime not just to ebay. Keep ebay
informed if you plan to report suspicious activity. Shilling on ebay may be
somewaht common, but it's a stupid crime. You'd have to do enough to make it
worth while, and then your activity is noticed by the fraud investigation
systems for targeting.

If you are a criminal - stop, If you are thinking about doing it - don't.

Some idiot wrote:
When you suspect this I suggest you report it as a crime for
investigation with shill bidders. Seller can get up to 10 years
-www.cybercrime.govto learn more.

"Hey buddy...What are you in for?"

""Murder, rape, conspiracy and selling narcotics. You?""

"I shill bid a 1943 penny"

""Cool. You're my bitch!""


Lumpy

In Your Ears for Fifty Years!
www.LumpyMusic.com

Lumpy wrote:
Some idiot wrote:
When you suspect this I suggest you report it as a crime for
investigation with shill bidders. Seller can get up to 10 years
-www.cybercrime.govto learn more.

"Hey buddy...What are you in for?"

""Murder, rape, conspiracy and selling narcotics. You?""

"I shill bid a 1943 penny"

""Cool. You're my bitch!""


Lumpy

In Your Ears for Fifty Years!
www.LumpyMusic.com



It's a national security thing.

1-800-CALLFBI

On 2010-08-03, Rander wrote:
When you suspect this I suggest you report it as a crime for investigation
with shill bidders. Seller can get up to 10 years - www.cybercrime.gov to
learn more.

Engaging Law Enforcement on suspicious activity is your job also. Don't
neglect that aspect. If we want ebay to stay clean, it has to happen. I had
a suspicious reverse shill expose my reserve, so I am making a report
(Administrative Cancel). The FBI is cracking down (at least as I understand
it).


Cyber crime of shills is very catchable in the long run. Since you provided
email addresses and IP;s in using the site, reverse lookups of public
infomation can track down networks of shills. Shilling requires a naive
seller or bidder. Report the suspected crime not just to ebay. Keep ebay
informed if you plan to report suspicious activity. Shilling on ebay may be
somewaht common, but it's a stupid crime. You'd have to do enough to make it
worth while, and then your activity is noticed by the fraud investigation
systems for targeting.

If you are a criminal - stop, If you are thinking about doing it - don't.
There are ways to catch you that even a ordinary computer person like me
knows. Besides remember even the police buy and sell on ebay. 1 in 99
sellers is likely in Law Enforcement, legal (attorney), a security or in
some type of justice role. I am not, but do I really want to take a
chance???

I have used Intellius for one background check in another area (not ebay),
it costs but was worth it.

How do they know who you are shilling with... Google links and social
networking, is just the start.

Vigilant reporting is key, and not just to ebay....

Ignoramus30382 wrote:
1-800-CALLFBI

This totally silly, to be devoting so much time
on such a nonsensical topic as shill bidding.

Did you guys see the color of Chelsea's gown?

And how 'bout Bristol and Levi. They're on and off
more than Frank and Brickie.


Lumpy

In Your Ears for Fifty Years!
www.LumpyMusic.com