Gold prices plummet!

George D wrote:
Mr. Jaggers wrote:
George D wrote:
Mr. Jaggers wrote:

The "beginning" of a downhill battle? We've been at this now for
220 years! That said, I am at a loss to even start a list of
freedoms that we have lost over the past 50 years. Perhaps you can
help me out here, sometimes I miss things.

Lets start here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act

While I agree that the Patriot Act has been foisted on us by
strutting and preening politicians desperate to keep from appearing
unpatriotic (and therefore un-re-electable) and unsympathetic to the
tragedy of 9-11 (and therefore un-re-electable), it is essentially a
rehash of the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798, using the technology
of the 21st century, so I don't see anything new under the sun here.

James the Anti-Terrorist


OK so I looked it up...

Section 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of
the United States of America in Congress assembled,In case of war, or
actual threatened invasion, the President shall make a proclamation.
That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States
and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory
incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the
territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government,
and the President of the United States shall make public proclamation
of the event,Act of July 6, 1812, ch. 130. all natives, citizens,
denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being
males of the age of fourteen years and upwards, who shall be within
the United States, and
Notice the 3rd line that says "declared war"

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United...ion/Chapter_66

Note the word "or" leading off the clause immediately after that. I seem to
remember the then-Current Occupant and his water-carriers harping that
Saddam Hussein was "contemplating" all those things, thus making a
convenient excuse both to invade Iraq and to pass the Patriot Act.

James "Makin' Things Up As Usual" Jaggers

George D wrote:
The Giant Brain wrote:
"George D" wrote in message
...

I am a smoker and I understand that some people don't want smoking
near them but in city parks?????

As I citizen I want to be free to enjoy a park without smelling
someone's stinking carcinogenic tobacco smoke.
You want to smoke? Go home, go in your car but don't expose others
to a proven health risk.



Documentation on the second hand smoke being a proven health risk in a
city park or any unenclosed area.

[raising my hand] When I get a gulletful of cigarette smoke, indoors or
out, and start coughing, wheezing, and feeling nauseous, I consider that a
"proven" health risk. Next question.

James the Hacker

In article , "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
George D wrote:
Mr. Jaggers wrote:
Bruce Remick wrote:
"George D" wrote in message
...



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As the documents change daily I know not how to do that and even
if I could find the most current of them I am not sufficiently
knowledgeable to be able to understand what they say and than
determine what the real effect will be if enacted. Damn even those
voting on them don't read them as you mention in your last
sentence. FWIW I do not listen to Limbaugh and the sources are from
both
right wing and left wing news. My home pages are azcentral, BBC,
and Foxnews anything else would only cause me to become more
confused. I only know that anytime the US government or any other
government
or quasi government gets started on anything they must grow or die.
This is true from your labor union, HOA, city, state, federal,
fire, or other group.

If the current bills pass into law it will only be the beginning of
a long down hill battle of more freedoms lost. One only needs to
look at what we had 40 or 50 years ago and where we are now to know
what a slippery slope we are on and as the years pass how much
faster we are slipping. You are a teacher of history so you must
know what we have lost in freedoms during this period. Many of the
laws could be considered for our own best interest BUT every one of
them reduces our ability to function independently. We are being
taught to let big brother take care of us and not learn to look out
for ourselves.
I was in college 50 years ago. The only freedoms I have lost since
that time, other than the freedom to be drafted, have been things
like checking in at an airport, walking out the door on the tarmack
to navigate a flight of stairs to my flight, and then lighting up a
smoke. Now we have to get to airport a couple hours early so our
selves and belongings can be searched. And smoke? Forgetaboutit. I
miss our old freedom there, but then we all have to go through the
same thing. Any other "freedoms" I might have lost in the past 50
years are equally as trivial and have little to do with our
government, per se. Which freedoms were you thinking of?

I consider it as having gained a freedom with the
smoking-in-public-places ban. No longer do I have to endure the
discomfort and danger of asthma from breathing secondary smoke or
smelling like a chimney when I leave a restaurant.

James the Nicotine-Addicted



I am a smoker and I understand that some people don't want smoking
near them but in city parks?????



http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...smoking0527-ON
.html

I also believe a restaurant should be able to run its affairs with out
government interference. Let the market prevail if people don't want
smoking in the restaurant don't eat there. Non smoking areas or rooms
should be allowed for any business owner... We have been smoking on
this earth for a very long time and these laws are definitely a loss
of freedoms, both for the smokers and the owners of the business.

http://www.tobacco.org/History/Tobacco_History.html

George, I'm prepared to make you a deal!

We'll meet at a restaurant of your choice and sit at adjoining tables. I
will be bringing with me a large bucket of fresh pig manure with a stir
stick and you may bring the cigarette brand of your choice, even if your
choice happens to be Gauloises. As you enjoy your smoke, I will stir the
manure at regular intervals for your dining and dancing pleasure. The only
requirements are that we both eat everything on our plates and tip the
server appropriately.

James the Farmerboy


if you really wish to produce el stink, goose **** is the way. makes pig poo
smell like roses. hoo-eee, cooter, that will staink out a skunk!

Smokers seem to be the only minority without rights.

Jud wrote:
Smokers seem to be the only minority without rights.

Smokers have rights. Those rights are necessarily abridged, as are
virtually *all* rights. If you do not agree, please provide a list of
groups, majority or minority, that enjoy unabridged rights, *or* any right
or rights themselves that are unabridged, historical or modern.

James the Abridger of Rights

On Oct 2, 10:29*am, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
Jud wrote:
Smokers seem to be the only minority without rights.

Smokers have rights. *Those rights are necessarily abridged, as are
virtually *all* rights. *If you do not agree, please provide a list of
groups, majority or minority, that enjoy unabridged rights, *or* any right
or rights themselves that are unabridged, historical or modern.

James the Abridger of Rights

IMHO, once the meddling ninny *******s make smoking tobacco a capital
offense, then they come after the beer.

Accordingly, I will be right there with the smokers in the last ditch
fighting the damn ninnies.

oly

"Jud" wrote in message
...
Smokers seem to be the only minority without rights.

Health officials wish that this were true. Smoker rights have only been
curtailed, not eliminated.

As have the rights of many other minorities besides smokers.

oly wrote:
On Oct 2, 10:29 am, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
Jud wrote:
Smokers seem to be the only minority without rights.

Smokers have rights. Those rights are necessarily abridged, as are
virtually *all* rights. If you do not agree, please provide a list of
groups, majority or minority, that enjoy unabridged rights, *or* any
right or rights themselves that are unabridged, historical or modern.

James the Abridger of Rights

IMHO, once the meddling ninny *******s make smoking tobacco a capital
offense, then they come after the beer.

Now oly, sayaing that smoking is a capital offense is just a tad extreme,
dontcha think?

Accordingly, I will be right there with the smokers in the last ditch
fighting the damn ninnies.

And I'll be right there with my bucket of fresh pig manure and my stir stick
and *really* stink up the joint. Anyway, there's a big difference between
smokers and drinkers. I've never sat next to a drinker who bothered me in
the least. They can swill all the booze they want and it doesn't affect my
liver in the least manner. Smokers...lungs...different story.

James the Mixmaster

On Oct 2, 10:59*am, "mazorj" wrote:
"Jud" wrote in message

...

Smokers seem to be the only minority without rights.

Health officials wish that this were true. *Smoker rights have only been
curtailed, not eliminated.

As have the rights of many other minorities besides smokers.

Well, to be intellectually rigorous here, cite some examples of groups
that have been trashed as badly as smokers.

oly

On Oct 2, 11:06*am, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
oly wrote:
On Oct 2, 10:29 am, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
Jud wrote:
Smokers seem to be the only minority without rights.

Smokers have rights. Those rights are necessarily abridged, as are
virtually *all* rights. If you do not agree, please provide a list of
groups, majority or minority, that enjoy unabridged rights, *or* any
right or rights themselves that are unabridged, historical or modern.

James the Abridger of Rights

IMHO, once the meddling ninny *******s make smoking tobacco a capital
offense, then they come after the beer.

Now oly, sayaing that smoking is a capital offense is just a tad extreme,
dontcha think?

Accordingly, I will be right there with the smokers in the last ditch
fighting the damn ninnies.

And I'll be right there with my bucket of fresh pig manure and my stir stick
and *really* stink up the joint. *Anyway, there's a big difference between
smokers and drinkers. *I've never sat next to a drinker who bothered me in
the least. *They can swill all the booze they want and it doesn't affect my
liver in the least manner. *Smokers...lungs...different story.

James the Mixmaster

Sorry, but the issue isn't about the particular vice. As has been the
case for a long time, the issue is about rather small people who want
to control your every aspect of your life.

BTW, once they get all the tobacco and alcohol, the next substances to
go will likely be gold and silver.

oly