Russia Question

I am posting a scan of a RUSSIAN pair
of Scott 224. This is an imperforate
20 Ruble on 15 kopeck stamp from 1923.

http://cjoint.com/data/kpcYl5S3U6.htm

The thing is that this pair has an
inverted overprint.

Scott does not list an inverted over-
print variety for this stamp, although
it does so for other stamps in the series.

Can anyone out there please check
their non-scott catalogues and
let me know if any of them list
an inverted overprint variety for
this stamp?

If so, I'd appreciate an indication
of cat. number and value, if possible.

Thanks
Blair

"Blair (TC)" wrote in message
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I am posting a scan of a RUSSIAN pair
of Scott 224. This is an imperforate
20 Ruble on 15 kopeck stamp from 1923.

http://cjoint.com/data/kpcYl5S3U6.htm

The thing is that this pair has an
inverted overprint.

Scott does not list an inverted over-
print variety for this stamp, although
it does so for other stamps in the series.

Can anyone out there please check
their non-scott catalogues and
let me know if any of them list
an inverted overprint variety for
this stamp?

If so, I'd appreciate an indication
of cat. number and value, if possible.

Thanks
Blair

Blair,

I'm not a specialist of these stamps but it seems to me that something is
quite strange with your pair. Like Scott, Michel Europa-Katalog Ost 1998/99
doesn't list this one.

It should be listed as Michel 202 BK (B for Imperf, K from kopfstehend =
inverted) but it isn't. Considering that the not inverted overprinted
imperf. stamp is valued DM 3000 for mint and DM 5000 for cancelled ($1500 in
my Scott 1999), and that "counterfeits exist" - after Scott, I would say
that your pair is maybe too nice to be true. Hopefully I'm wrong.

The cancel is probably a First Day one, the not inverted overprinted stamp
202 B being issued 2.1923 (after Michel).

Regards,
--
Victor Manta

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"Victor Manta" wrote in message
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"Blair (TC)" wrote in message
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I am posting a scan of a RUSSIAN pair
of Scott 224. This is an imperforate
20 Ruble on 15 kopeck stamp from 1923.

http://cjoint.com/data/kpcYl5S3U6.htm

The thing is that this pair has an
inverted overprint.

Scott does not list an inverted over-
print variety for this stamp, although
it does so for other stamps in the series.

Can anyone out there please check
their non-scott catalogues and
let me know if any of them list
an inverted overprint variety for
this stamp?

If so, I'd appreciate an indication
of cat. number and value, if possible.

Thanks
Blair

Blair,

I'm not a specialist of these stamps but it seems to me that something is
quite strange with your pair. Like Scott, Michel Europa-Katalog Ost
1998/99 doesn't list this one.

It should be listed as Michel 202 BK (B for Imperf, K from kopfstehend =
inverted) but it isn't. Considering that the not inverted overprinted
imperf. stamp is valued DM 3000 for mint and DM 5000 for cancelled ($1500
in my Scott 1999), and that "counterfeits exist" - after Scott, I would
say that your pair is maybe too nice to be true. Hopefully I'm wrong.

The cancel is probably a First Day one, the not inverted overprinted stamp
202 B being issued 2.1923 (after Michel).

Completion. My Zumstein Europa Ost 1986/7 doesn't list it either. It should
be listed as "Kopfstehender Aufdruck 198: value". The not inverted overprint
is valued Fr. 2000 / 3000 .

--
Victor Manta

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"Blair (TC)" skrev i en meddelelse
ups.com...
I am posting a scan of a RUSSIAN pair
of Scott 224. This is an imperforate
20 Ruble on 15 kopeck stamp from 1923.

http://cjoint.com/data/kpcYl5S3U6.htm

The thing is that this pair has an
inverted overprint.

Scott does not list an inverted over-
print variety for this stamp, although
it does so for other stamps in the series.

Can anyone out there please check
their non-scott catalogues and
let me know if any of them list
an inverted overprint variety for
this stamp?

Blair, your stamp is Michel 202A or 202 B. Gibbons 290. Neither Michel nor
SG seem to list the inverted overprint.

When looking at your scan it seems to me that the cancellation is a bit too
"clean" to have been done in 1923. A genuine cancel from that time would be
more "smudged", which also leads me to believe that the inverted overprint
might be a fake.

I am for sure not an expert on early Russia, so just my 2c-worth.

Mette

Victor Manta wrote:
"Blair (TC)" wrote in message
ups.com...
I am posting a scan of a RUSSIAN pair
of Scott 224. This is an imperforate
20 Ruble on 15 kopeck stamp from 1923.

http://cjoint.com/data/kpcYl5S3U6.htm

The thing is that this pair has an
inverted overprint.

Scott does not list an inverted over-
print variety for this stamp, although
it does so for other stamps in the series.

Can anyone out there please check
their non-scott catalogues and
let me know if any of them list
an inverted overprint variety for
this stamp?

If so, I'd appreciate an indication
of cat. number and value, if possible.

Thanks
Blair

Blair,

I'm not a specialist of these stamps but it seems to me that something is
quite strange with your pair. Like Scott, Michel Europa-Katalog Ost 1998/=
99
doesn't list this one.

Not in SG Part 10 (1999) either.

It should be listed as Michel 202 BK (B for Imperf, K from kopfstehend =
=3D
inverted) but it isn't. Considering that the not inverted overprinted
imperf. stamp is valued DM 3000 for mint and DM 5000 for cancelled ($1500=
in
my Scott 1999),

SG 297: =A31000 mint, no price given for cancelled.

and that "counterfeits exist" - after Scott, I would say
that your pair is maybe too nice to be true. Hopefully I'm wrong.

No mention of counterfeits in SG.

The cancel is probably a First Day one, the not inverted overprinted stamp
202 B being issued 2.1923 (after Michel).

Strange; SG gives the issue date as _3_.1923. Only the 30R on 50k (p
and i) are shown as 2.1923.

Chris

Blair (TC) schrieb:
I am posting a scan of a RUSSIAN pair
of Scott 224. This is an imperforate
20 Ruble on 15 kopeck stamp from 1923.

http://cjoint.com/data/kpcYl5S3U6.htm

The thing is that this pair has an
inverted overprint.

Scott does not list an inverted over-
print variety for this stamp, although
it does so for other stamps in the series.

Can anyone out there please check
their non-scott catalogues and
let me know if any of them list
an inverted overprint variety for
this stamp?

If so, I'd appreciate an indication
of cat. number and value, if possible.

Thanks
Blair

hello
in fact, this example, looks like a fake. i am collecting russia and
have never seen or even seen it mentioned. however, it exists in the
perforated version and is mentioned in the new german michel russia
specialized catalogue. roundabout 40 us$ as mint, used is not priced and
i have never seen a genuine used one.
hope this might help you a bit.
peter

Thanks Victor, Mette, Chris and Peter.

I myself had some suspicions when I saw this.
Luckily, the seller's price was high enough that
I graciously declined to purchase it.

Blair