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Congress mandates use of "In God We Trust"
"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 May 2007 21:16:37 -0500, "Dale Hallmark" dalehall at cableone.net wrote: First of all the US is NOT a Democracy. We are a Federal Republic with some Democratic tendencies. Wrong. Federalism is a type of democracy. .... In God we Trust denotes no particular God, you have to have an agenda to presuppose it does. Wrong also. The motto "In God We Trust" denotes personal monotheism, .... Stop it, Reid. Stop it NOW! I feel distinctly unclean -creepy, even- when you post something I agree with. ewwwwww -- Jeff R. (off to take a shower) |
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Congress mandates use of "In God We Trust"
"Dale Hallmark" dalehall at cableone.net wrote in message ... In God we Trust denotes no particular God, you have to have an agenda to presuppose it does. Therefore the only real group it should upset are atheist. I stress SHOULD. Uh huh... (Jeepers, Dale!) Does that presuppose that the views of atheists don't count? "It will only upset atheists - therefore it doesn't matter." Try reversing the situation. How about the USA print "There is no God" on their coinage. Would that be reasonable? Only theists would (should/could) object. Don't bother arguing the "majority" position. Being part of a majority doesn't make you right. I don't see why coinage should include any articles of faith which, by definition, disnfranchise an enormous number of tax-paying citizens. If you think it doesn't matter, then try to promote the "There is no God" motto. Oh! ...and if you are not a Christian, you are not necessarily "anti"-Christian, as suggested. I don't play Lacrosse, yet I have no objection to the game. -- Jeff R. (part of moronic group 2) |
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Congress mandates use of "In God We Trust"
"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 May 2007 21:16:37 -0500, "Dale Hallmark" dalehall at cableone.net wrote: You characterize those who do care as moronic, but you appear have little understanding of the underlying issues involving government and less understanding of those involving religion. There's no other way to describe this post of yours than the word you yourself used about others: moronic. Next time instead of saying you don't care about this issue, say you don't know. You'll come across better, more genuine. I started to answer your statements but there is a lot of text that didn't quite address accurately some of the statements I made. Since you can't seem to understand exactly what I posted, I see no gain in attempting to get you to understand. I have seen others attempt that for weeks on end and I have no desire to repeat a process that is doomed to failure. And like I said, I don't enough care about the issue to continue. I would like to say bite me but that has been done so I won't. Dale |
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Congress mandates use of "In God We Trust"
On May 18, 3:35 pm, Anka wrote:
On May 18, 7:23?am, Bill Dunkenfield wrote: 1908 : Congress mandates use of "In God We Trust" In a move that seemingly flew in the face of America's founding belief in the separation of church and state, Congress passed legislation on this day in 1908 that made the maxim "In God We Trust" an obligatory element of certain coins. The motto dates back to the early 1860s, when the Civil War stirred religious feelings throughout the nation. America's heightened piety manifested itself in many places, including the treasury department, which received countless letters requesting that the nation's coins pay some form of tribute to God. Concerned citizens and religious leaders found a fast friend in Treasury Secretary Salmon P. Chase, who readily agreed that the "trust of our people in God should be declared on our national coins." James Pollock, director of the U.S. Mint at Philadelphia, was charged with devising a suitable motto. After some key revisions from Chase, Pollock decided upon the now-familiar "In God We Trust." http://www.history.com/tdih.do?actio...tegory&id=5869 JAM "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . . ." No state religion was established. So what's your beef? Anka ----- weary of those who don't *get* it- Hide quoted text - Clearly the US is promoting a monotheistic religion. Why not in "Gods" we trust? Seems you are the one who doesn't "get it". |
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Congress mandates use of "In God We Trust"
On May 18, 10:16 pm, "Dale Hallmark" dalehall at cableone.net wrote:
In God we Trust denotes no particular God, you have to have an agenda to presuppose it does. Therefore the only real group it should upset are atheist. I stress SHOULD. Hey genius, what about polytheists, like the Hindus? Leave it on or take it off, I don't care but don't insult my intelligence in arguing that either is the right or legal thing to do. How stupid can you be? Apparently not quite as stupid as you. |
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Congress mandates use of "In God We Trust"
On May 19, 10:07 am, "Dale Hallmark" dalehall"AT"cableone.net wrote:
"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 May 2007 21:16:37 -0500, "Dale Hallmark" dalehall at cableone.net wrote: You characterize those who do care as moronic, but you appear have little understanding of the underlying issues involving government and less understanding of those involving religion. There's no other way to describe this post of yours than the word you yourself used about others: moronic. Next time instead of saying you don't care about this issue, say you don't know. You'll come across better, more genuine. I started to answer your statements but there is a lot of text that didn't quite address accurately some of the statements I made. Since you can't seem to understand exactly what I posted, I see no gain in attempting to get you to understand. I have seen others attempt that for weeks on end and I have no desire to repeat a process that is doomed to failure. And like I said, I don't enough care about the issue to continue. Yet you continued. Your actions once again belie your words. Putz! |
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Congress mandates use of "In God We Trust"
"Jeff R." wrote in message u... "Dale Hallmark" dalehall at cableone.net wrote in message ... In God we Trust denotes no particular God, you have to have an agenda to presuppose it does. Therefore the only real group it should upset are atheist. I stress SHOULD. Uh huh... (Jeepers, Dale!) Does that presuppose that the views of atheists don't count? Don't read that into what I said it isn't there. What I said that the only group that it should upset are Atheist. I made no value judgment as to atheist views just that their side in this instance was and is or could be a legimate one. "It will only upset atheists - therefore it doesn't matter." never said it or meant it and never intended to imply that. Try reversing the situation. How about the USA print "There is no God" on their coinage. Would that be reasonable? Only theists would (should/could) object. Don't bother arguing the "majority" position. Being part of a majority doesn't make you right. I never said majority rule was "right" in the sense of morally right or ethically right. But in a Democratic style Government, that is the goal isn't it, majority rule? I don't see why coinage should include any articles of faith which, by definition, disnfranchise an enormous number of tax-paying citizens. I don't either, let the majority decide :-) sorry had to say that :-) So what is the answer, disenfranchise the majority because part of society thinks it the right thing to do? I'l still collect coins what ever is on there probably. If you think it doesn't matter, then try to promote the "There is no God" motto. Ahhhhh but then I would have to feel strongly that it should be there like that. I don't. Oh! ...and if you are not a Christian, you are not necessarily "anti"-Christian, as suggested. I don't play Lacrosse, yet I have no objection to the game. I am a Christian but I just think it is a lot of BS about something that actually isn't important one way or the other. I just felt argumentative last night, I apologize for that. Dale |
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Congress mandates use of "In God We Trust"
"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message "In God We Trust" is on coinage because of political pandering and inertia. It's a violation of the First Amendment, a violation of the doctrine of the separation of church and state, an unconstitutional commingling of national and religious affairs. It's a motto you'd expect to see on the coinage of an Islamic theocracy, not a Western democracy. When you think of it from the perspective of a religious individual such as Theodore Roosevelt it also panders of an indignity to the believed in diety when you put his name on a piece of "evil" money. I would say for it to continue, then we must then put Yahweh, and Allah and Krishna, and Buddha, and Voodoo on the $ too. Or maybe it would be easier to just remove any reference to religion and Masonism - ala the $1 bill reverse. |
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Congress mandates use of "In God We Trust"
On Sat, 19 May 2007 23:05:06 +1000, "Jeff R."
wrote: Stop it, Reid. Stop it NOW! I feel distinctly unclean -creepy, even- when you post something I agree with. ewwwwww -- Jeff R. (off to take a shower) That's a very thoughtful response. You shed interesting new light on this subject. -- Email: (delete "remove this") Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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Congress mandates use of "In God We Trust"
"Mr. E." wrote in message ups.com... On May 18, 10:16 pm, "Dale Hallmark" dalehall at cableone.net wrote: In God we Trust denotes no particular God, you have to have an agenda to presuppose it does. Therefore the only real group it should upset are atheist. I stress SHOULD. Hey genius, what about polytheists, like the Hindus? Leave it on or take it off, I don't care but don't insult my intelligence in arguing that either is the right or legal thing to do. How stupid can you be? Apparently not quite as stupid as you. God could be the Christian one, Allah, Ganesh, Zeus, Jupiter etc. But not (in English) Athena, Venus etc. There is a whole new can of worms ! TerryS |
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