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Old September 27th 07, 12:37 PM posted to alt.collecting.8-track-tapes,alt.politics
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Default MoveOn hammered by Petraeus backlash !

MoveOn Unmoved By Furor Over Ad Targeting Petraeus

By Perry Bacon Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 21, 2007; Page A01

A few weeks before Army Gen. David H. Petraeus's much-anticipated testimony
on Iraq, the leadership of MoveOn.org, the Internet-based liberal group that
has rallied its 3 million members around the country to oppose the war,
decided on a change in strategy.

Rather than making another appeal to moderate Republicans to join Senate
Democrats in passing an antiwar resolution, they would take on the
credibility of Petraeus himself. Their weapon, they decided in conjunction
with Fenton Communications, its Washington-based public relations firm,
would be an ad in the New York Times that provocatively played off his name
with this question in large letters: "General Petraeus or General Betray
Us?"

Yesterday, an organization so small its 17 employees don't even have a
central office, found itself under attack by not only President Bush, who
said the ad was "disgusting," but also by the Democratic-controlled Senate,
which passed a resolution 72 to 25 expressing its own outrage. Many
Democrats blamed the group for giving moderate Republicans a ready excuse
for staying with Bush and for giving Bush and his supporters a way to divert
attention away from the war.

In an e-mail to its members last night, the group acknowledged that the
content of the ad might have angered its allies but argued that a larger
issue is at stake. "Maybe you liked our General Petraeus ad. Maybe you
thought the language went too far," they wrote. "But make no mistake: this
is much bigger than one ad."

And it turned its criticism squarely back on the Senate, accusing it of
"spending time cracking down on a newspaper ad" after failing on Wednesday
to pass a bill lengthening the home leaves of U.S. troops fighting in Iraq,
a bipartisan measure that some regarded as pressuring Bush into limiting the
redeployment of U.S. forces.

Many Democratic strategists were privately furious at the group for
launching an attack on a member of the military rather than Bush, arguing
that it gave Republicans a point on which to attack the Democrats and to
rally around the administration's war policy. The displeasure underscores
the uneasy alliance between MoveOn and the party. MoveOn, after its rather
guerrilla start, has increasingly become part of the Democratic
establishment in Washington. It has donated money and lent its Washington
director, Thomas Mattzie, to a coalition of liberal groups with major
funding from wealthy donors that organizes in an office on K Street to
promote opposition to the war.

The group's conference calls often include aides to House and Senate
Democratic leaders, and executive director Eli Pariser and Mattzie have also
had meetings with some of the party's 2008 presidential candidates, although
MoveOn is not likely to endorse in the primary process. Sen. Barack Obama
(Ill.) and former vice president Al Gore have spoken at MoveOn events.

But, Pariser said: "We're not accountable ultimately to the Democrats. We're
accountable to people who want a swift end to the war, and that's the end
goal here."

In a conference call with MoveOn members last night, Pariser acknowledged
that some of the group's members did not like the ad. But, he said, "MoveOn
is going to be as strong as ever." He added, "We definitely will be putting
pressure on Democrats, and especially those who voted against us, in the
near future, and we are currently working on the best way to do that."

Since the ad appeared, Republicans have attacked MoveOn relentlessly. During
the congressional hearings last week, several GOP lawmakers called on
Democrats to condemn the MoveOn ad, and since then, a barrage of criticism
has come from several Republican presidential candidates and, finally, Bush.

In response to a question at a news conference yesterday, the president said
that few Democrats had condemned the ad, "which leads me to come to this
conclusion: that most Democrats are afraid of irritating a left-wing group
like MoveOn.org, or more afraid of irritating them than they are of
irritating the United States military."

For MoveOn's supporters, the special notice from Bush may only serve to
validate its confrontational style. "I think he just raised MoveOn several
million more dollars," said Erik Smith, a Democratic media consultant.

This is not MoveOn's first controversy. In 2004, when the group held a
contest on its site for the best ads bashing Bush, they quickly took down
one that compared the president to Hitler. Later, Sen. John F. Kerry
(Mass.), the Democratic presidential candidate, distanced himself from an ad
that criticized Bush's National Guard service.

Founded as an online petition by two Silicon Valley entrepreneurs in 1998 to
encourage Congress to "move on" from trying to impeach President Clinton,
the group is in many ways the brainchild of Pariser.

After the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Pariser, just out of college,
started a petition calling for the United States to react with "moderation."
This comment later drew criticism from conservatives but won him a large
following that inspired one of MoveOn's founders, Wes Boyd, to hire Pariser
as one of the group's first full-time staff members. As executive director,
Pariser runs the group out of his home in New York. MoveOn's employees
rarely meet in person, instead communicating by e-mail or conference call.

In 2004, MoveOn spent millions from wealthy donors such as financier George
Soros, but it has grown into a force that has raised millions in donations
from members and pumped more than $6 million into ads in this election cycle
alone.

MoveOn and other antiwar groups have largely succeeded in helping to push
Democrats to support a timetable for withdrawing troops from Iraq. The group
has backed such a plan for more than a year, but this was a step many
Democrats had been reluctant to take. But, like some Democrats, the group
has been frustrated as Republicans have continued to embrace Bush's policy
on the war.

Yesterday, almost two weeks after the ad ran, MoveOn found itself in an
unenviable position: almost universally condemned by Senate Democrats and
Republicans.

Once Republicans started circulating an amendment that would blast MoveOn
for "impugning the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all the
members of the U.S. Armed Forces," Democrats wrote their own version that
criticized the MoveOn ad but also denounced Republicans for attacking the
military record of Kerry in 2004 through the Swift boat ads.

Between the two measures, nearly every member of the Senate had repudiated
MoveOn, including Democratic presidential contender Sen. Hillary Rodham
Clinton (N.Y.) and Obama, who both voted for the Democratic version that did
not include MoveOn's name but said there had been an "unwarranted personal
attack" on Petraeus.






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Old September 27th 07, 04:21 PM posted to alt.collecting.8-track-tapes,alt.politics
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"trippin-2-8-trak" wrote in message
...
MoveOn Unmoved By Furor Over Ad Targeting Petraeus

By Perry Bacon Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 21, 2007; Page A01

A few weeks before Army Gen. David H. Petraeus's much-anticipated
testimony
on Iraq, the leadership of MoveOn.org, the Internet-based liberal group
that
has rallied its 3 million members around the country to oppose the war,
decided on a change in strategy.


Let's rephrase that so it DOESN'T appear that MoveOn CREATED this movement.
Move on is a central, political opinionated, place where people of similar
thinking get their news and information.

It's articles are much closer to the truth than the oppositions right wing
propaganda from Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and a whole host of other
"conservastive republican" propaganda machines.



Rather than making another appeal to moderate Republicans to join Senate
Democrats in passing an antiwar resolution, they would take on the
credibility of Petraeus himself. Their weapon, they decided in conjunction
with Fenton Communications, its Washington-based public relations firm,
would be an ad in the New York Times that provocatively played off his
name
with this question in large letters: "General Petraeus or General Betray
Us?"


Wrong headlines (even though childish in some people's minds) do NOT
contradict the truth.


Yesterday, an organization so small its 17 employees don't even have a
central office, found itself under attack by not only President Bush, who
said the ad was "disgusting," but also by the Democratic-controlled
Senate,
which passed a resolution 72 to 25 expressing its own outrage. Many
Democrats blamed the group for giving moderate Republicans a ready excuse
for staying with Bush and for giving Bush and his supporters a way to
divert
attention away from the war.


OK ... so they don't play "nice guy" when attacking the opposition .... but
does Rush Limbaugh? Hannity and colmes? Fox News? Bill O'Riely? Ann Coulter?
George Bush? Dick Cheny?


In an e-mail to its members last night, the group acknowledged that the
content of the ad might have angered its allies but argued that a larger
issue is at stake. "Maybe you liked our General Petraeus ad. Maybe you
thought the language went too far," they wrote. "But make no mistake: this
is much bigger than one ad."0


and the CONTENTS are not being attacked as untrue!


And it turned its criticism squarely back on the Senate, accusing it of
"spending time cracking down on a newspaper ad" after failing on Wednesday
to pass a bill lengthening the home leaves of U.S. troops fighting in
Iraq,
a bipartisan measure that some regarded as pressuring Bush into limiting
the
redeployment of U.S. forces.

Many Democratic strategists were privately furious at the group for
launching an attack on a member of the military rather than Bush, arguing
that it gave Republicans a point on which to attack the Democrats and to
rally around the administration's war policy. The displeasure underscores
the uneasy alliance between MoveOn and the party. MoveOn, after its rather
guerrilla start, has increasingly become part of the Democratic
establishment in Washington. It has donated money and lent its Washington
director, Thomas Mattzie, to a coalition of liberal groups with major
funding from wealthy donors that organizes in an office on K Street to
promote opposition to the war.


Somone on the side opposite the mentally, socially an dpolitically corrupt
conservative republicans (and this administration) - the Democrats
certaianly are not doing it.



The group's conference calls often include aides to House and Senate
Democratic leaders, and executive director Eli Pariser and Mattzie have
also
had meetings with some of the party's 2008 presidential candidates,
although
MoveOn is not likely to endorse in the primary process. Sen. Barack Obama
(Ill.) and former vice president Al Gore have spoken at MoveOn events.

But, Pariser said: "We're not accountable ultimately to the Democrats.
We're
accountable to people who want a swift end to the war, and that's the end
goal here."

In a conference call with MoveOn members last night, Pariser acknowledged
that some of the group's members did not like the ad. But, he said,
"MoveOn
is going to be as strong as ever." He added, "We definitely will be
putting
pressure on Democrats, and especially those who voted against us, in the
near future, and we are currently working on the best way to do that."

Since the ad appeared, Republicans have attacked MoveOn relentlessly.
During
the congressional hearings last week, several GOP lawmakers called on
Democrats to condemn the MoveOn ad, and since then, a barrage of criticism
has come from several Republican presidential candidates and, finally,
Bush.

In response to a question at a news conference yesterday, the president
said
that few Democrats had condemned the ad, "which leads me to come to this
conclusion: that most Democrats are afraid of irritating a left-wing group
like MoveOn.org, or more afraid of irritating them than they are of
irritating the United States military."

For MoveOn's supporters, the special notice from Bush may only serve to
validate its confrontational style. "I think he just raised MoveOn several
million more dollars," said Erik Smith, a Democratic media consultant.

This is not MoveOn's first controversy. In 2004, when the group held a
contest on its site for the best ads bashing Bush, they quickly took down
one that compared the president to Hitler. Later, Sen. John F. Kerry
(Mass.), the Democratic presidential candidate, distanced himself from an
ad
that criticized Bush's National Guard service.

Founded as an online petition by two Silicon Valley entrepreneurs in 1998
to
encourage Congress to "move on" from trying to impeach President Clinton,
the group is in many ways the brainchild of Pariser.

After the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Pariser, just out of
college,
started a petition calling for the United States to react with
"moderation."
This comment later drew criticism from conservatives but won him a large
following that inspired one of MoveOn's founders, Wes Boyd, to hire
Pariser
as one of the group's first full-time staff members. As executive
director,
Pariser runs the group out of his home in New York. MoveOn's employees
rarely meet in person, instead communicating by e-mail or conference call.

In 2004, MoveOn spent millions from wealthy donors such as financier
George
Soros, but it has grown into a force that has raised millions in donations
from members and pumped more than $6 million into ads in this election
cycle
alone.

MoveOn and other antiwar groups have largely succeeded in helping to push
Democrats to support a timetable for withdrawing troops from Iraq. The
group
has backed such a plan for more than a year, but this was a step many
Democrats had been reluctant to take. But, like some Democrats, the group
has been frustrated as Republicans have continued to embrace Bush's policy
on the war.

Yesterday, almost two weeks after the ad ran, MoveOn found itself in an
unenviable position: almost universally condemned by Senate Democrats and
Republicans.

Once Republicans started circulating an amendment that would blast MoveOn
for "impugning the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all the
members of the U.S. Armed Forces," Democrats wrote their own version that
criticized the MoveOn ad but also denounced Republicans for attacking the
military record of Kerry in 2004 through the Swift boat ads.

Between the two measures, nearly every member of the Senate had repudiated
MoveOn, including Democratic presidential contender Sen. Hillary Rodham
Clinton (N.Y.) and Obama, who both voted for the Democratic version that
did
not include MoveOn's name but said there had been an "unwarranted personal
attack" on Petraeus.








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Old September 27th 07, 04:42 PM posted to alt.collecting.8-track-tapes,alt.politics
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On Sep 27, 11:21 am, "John Smith" wrote:
"trippin-2-8-trak" wrote in message

...

MoveOn Unmoved By Furor Over Ad Targeting Petraeus


By Perry Bacon Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 21, 2007; Page A01


A few weeks before Army Gen. David H. Petraeus's much-anticipated
testimony
on Iraq, the leadership of MoveOn.org, the Internet-based liberal group
that
has rallied its 3 million members around the country to oppose the war,
decided on a change in strategy.


Let's rephrase that so it DOESN'T appear that MoveOn CREATED this movement.
Move on is a central, political opinionated, place where people of similar
thinking get their news and information.

It's articles are much closer to the truth than the oppositions right wing
propaganda from Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and a whole host of other
"conservastive republican" propaganda machines.


Keep in mind that the OP is Charlie Nudo of Drums Pa, Google his name
for some good reading. Oh, you may want to get some coffee or a snack
too because it could take all afternoon with the amount of baggage he
carries.

 




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