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Bring back the half dime! No more pennies and nickels!
On Tue, 02 May 2006 19:15:35 -0400, Padraic Brown
wrote: On 2 May 2006 13:20:56 -0700, " wrote: I guess I just have an inner revulsion against using steel and aluminum in coinage. I suppose there were some in 1965 who didn't like cupro-nickel. Other reasons to change from nickels to half dimes besides transportation cost: 1) Can you imagine the silver proof sets where all of the coins except the sackies are 90% silver? 2) Less bulk in your pocket full of change. 3) A chance to introduce a new coin with totally new design, not re-worked designs of dead presidents. 4) A sense of nostalgia in returning a retired denomination. While I commend your proposal (and there's really no reason why the Mint couldn't make half dismes for the present mint and silver proof sets), I must disagree about the "totally new design" bit. You know darn well we'll end up with some kind of special interest group being appeased by getting its face on a coin! Alternatively, we could round to tenths of dollars, bring back the twenty cent piece and retire the quarter along with the penny and nickel. However, as I said, the popularity of the quarter and the vending machine business makes this unlikely. Yeah, that one's pretty unlikely. Unless we keep the well entrenched quarter but also add a new 20c piece that is yellow in colour (like the old French 20c). Or seven-sided like the British 20p... take care, Scott "curves by Reuleaux" |
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Bring back the half dime! No more pennies and nickels!
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Bring back the half dime! No more pennies and nickels!
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Bring back the half dime! No more pennies and nickels!
Stefano MacGregor wrote:
wrote: If pennies and nickels are eliminated, transactions will have to be rounded. It would not be practical to round to the nearest tenth of a dollar unless we also get rid of the quarter. However, the quarter is the most popular and most recognized denomination we have. Rounding to a tenth of a dollar would be as practical as rounding to the penny was in the 1950s, and today's dime is worth less that the penny was then. We didn't clamor for change for a penny (though it was available, sort of, in Washington), and don't need change for a dime now. What do you do with pennies? Many people just throw them away. Do away with the penny, nickel and quarter, and come up with a useful half-dollar. Maybe something a little larger and thicker than a nickel, thirteen-sided, with Sitting Bull or Geronimo on it. Time for top-to-bottom denomination reform, I'd say! :-D Coins: 10¢ 20¢ 50¢ $1.00 $2.00 $5.00 (my design preference: Allegorical images of Liberty on obverses, eaglesin various poses on the reverses and edge lettering (the 'IN GOD WE TRUST' motto?) on the higher denominations.) Banknotes: $10.00 $20.00 $50.00 $100.00 $200.00 $500.00 (note the 1-2-5 progressions) Will it happen? They made such a wholesale changeover in Europe in early 2002, it took about three years to make all of the needed coins. Here, it likely makes too much logical sense to warrant any serious discussion among USA politicians. sigh... -- ___________________________________________ ____ _______________ Regards, | |\ ____ | | | | |\ Michael G. Koerner May they | | | | | | rise again! Appleton, Wisconsin USA | | | | | | ___________________________________________ | | | | | | _______________ |
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Any ideas what these coins are?
Padraic Brown asked:
Saw the following posted to sci.lang -- any ideas what they are? http://www.masseysonline.com/ Both of them are from the Indian state of Mysore during the time of Tipu Sultan (1782-99 AD). Both have clear dates, 1219 on the silver rupee and 1218 on the copper 2 paisa. The dates are written with the unit's digit at the left and indicate the number of solar years from the birth of Mohammad. To convert to AD, add 572. Not rare or valuable, but nice specimens. - Jim |
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Any ideas what these coins are?
Jim Roberts wrote:
Both have clear dates, 1219 on the silver rupee and 1218 on the copper 2 paisa. [...] To convert to AD, add 572. The Islamic calendar does not use a solar year, so while the "add 572" rule works for modern dates, it's off by about a decade for these older dates. AH1218 is actually 1803 Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calendar (See the table in the "Current correlations" section) -- Jim Seymour |
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Any ideas what these coins are?
Jim Seymour wrote:
Jim Roberts wrote: Both have clear dates, 1219 on the silver rupee and 1218 on the copper 2 paisa. [...] To convert to AD, add 572. The Islamic calendar does not use a solar year, so while the "add 572" rule works for modern dates, it's off by about a decade for these older dates. But the point I was making is that these are not AH dates. They use an unusual form of the Islamic calendar that is based on the solar calandar and starts with the birth of Mohammad. Unusual, but that's actually what's going on here. This feature makes the coins a bit unusual and interesting :-) ... - Jim |
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Any ideas what these coins are?
"Jim Roberts" wrote in message ... Jim Seymour wrote: Jim Roberts wrote: Both have clear dates, 1219 on the silver rupee and 1218 on the copper 2 paisa. [...] To convert to AD, add 572. The Islamic calendar does not use a solar year, so while the "add 572" rule works for modern dates, it's off by about a decade for these older dates. But the point I was making is that these are not AH dates. They use an unusual form of the Islamic calendar that is based on the solar calandar and starts with the birth of Mohammad. Unusual, but that's actually what's going on here. This feature makes the coins a bit unusual and interesting :-) ... Actually, both calendars (AH and SH) begin with the Hegira by Mohammed from Mecca to Medina in 622 CE. From that point they diverge, since AH is lunar and SH, as you correctly point out, is solar. Mr. Jaggers |
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Any ideas what these coins are?
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
"Jim Roberts" wrote: Jim Seymour wrote: Jim Roberts wrote: Both have clear dates, 1219 on the silver rupee and 1218 on the copper 2 paisa. [...] To convert to AD, add 572. The Islamic calendar does not use a solar year, so while the "add 572" rule works for modern dates, it's off by about a decade for these older dates. But the point I was making is that these are not AH dates. They use an unusual form of the Islamic calendar that is based on the solar calandar and starts with the birth of Mohammad. Unusual, but that's actually what's going on here. This feature makes the coins a bit unusual and interesting :-) ... Actually, both calendars (AH and SH) begin with the Hegira by Mohammed from Mecca to Medina in 622 CE. From that point they diverge, since AH is lunar and SH, as you correctly point out, is solar. I'm no expert on Indian coinage, but I'm relying here on Craig, who is pretty reliable, I think. He refers to these dates as "A.M.", not AH or SH, and he says they're based on the number of solar years since the birth of Muhammad. He says that Mysore switched over to this system in 1787 AD, and they reversed the order of the digits at the same time that they went to this unusual dating system. If the numbers were lunar or were based on the Hegira, they would not give a date that was within the reign of Tipu Sultan, so Craig almost has to be right, it seems to me. But I could be wrong, as I'm really not very familiar with these coins. - Jim |
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Any ideas what these coins are?
"Jim Roberts" wrote in message ... "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: "Jim Roberts" wrote: Jim Seymour wrote: Jim Roberts wrote: Both have clear dates, 1219 on the silver rupee and 1218 on the copper 2 paisa. [...] To convert to AD, add 572. The Islamic calendar does not use a solar year, so while the "add 572" rule works for modern dates, it's off by about a decade for these older dates. But the point I was making is that these are not AH dates. They use an unusual form of the Islamic calendar that is based on the solar calandar and starts with the birth of Mohammad. Unusual, but that's actually what's going on here. This feature makes the coins a bit unusual and interesting :-) ... Actually, both calendars (AH and SH) begin with the Hegira by Mohammed from Mecca to Medina in 622 CE. From that point they diverge, since AH is lunar and SH, as you correctly point out, is solar. I'm no expert on Indian coinage, but I'm relying here on Craig, who is pretty reliable, I think. He refers to these dates as "A.M.", not AH or SH, and he says they're based on the number of solar years since the birth of Muhammad. He says that Mysore switched over to this system in 1787 AD, and they reversed the order of the digits at the same time that they went to this unusual dating system. If the numbers were lunar or were based on the Hegira, they would not give a date that was within the reign of Tipu Sultan, so Craig almost has to be right, it seems to me. But I could be wrong, as I'm really not very familiar with these coins. - Jim I probably jumped on the keyboard too quickly, or at least without carefully analyzing what you wrote. Craig is a good guy in my book, and I'll accept your amendment as proposed. Mr. Jaggers |
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