ANI stinks

"Purchased" an 1858 Flying eagle cent in an ANI case graded VF-30. Shoulda
heeded the few warnings about 3rd tier graders.
Turns out when I got the coin and could inspect it ,it would probably grade
VG -8,except for the gouge on the reverse which wasn't shown in the lousy
picture.
Now,I know grading is subjective,but between VG an VF-30 is a big gap.The
tail feathers are barely show seperation.There's about 25% wing feather
detail.The eagle head and eye are very worn. It's just awful(for a VF). Good
news is,I get my money back,including shipping so I won't mention the shop I
got it from. I've learnt' my lesson cheaply.

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:16:08 GMT, don't look don't wrote:

Now,I know grading is subjective,but between VG an VF-30 is a big gap.The
tail feathers are barely show seperation.There's about 25% wing feather
detail.The eagle head and eye are very worn. It's just awful(for a VF). Good
news is,I get my money back,including shipping so I won't mention the shop I
got it from. I've learnt' my lesson cheaply.

And, they'll sell it to some other sucker, over and over maybe, until it
finally finds an ignorantly happy owner. Disgusting.

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:16:08 GMT, don't look don't wrote:

Now,I know grading is subjective,but between VG an VF-30 is a big
gap.The
tail feathers are barely show seperation.There's about 25% wing feather
detail.The eagle head and eye are very worn. It's just awful(for a VF).
Good
news is,I get my money back,including shipping so I won't mention the
shop I
got it from. I've learnt' my lesson cheaply.

And, they'll sell it to some other sucker, over and over maybe, until it
finally finds an ignorantly happy owner. Disgusting.

You're both right..If they hadn't taken it back,I'd either keep it or crack
it out of the holder and show both sides and honestly describe it.
I still don't think I'd feel right reselling it even properly described and
removed from the capsule..I told them the exact problems with the coin but
there isn't much more I can do.
Don't buy anything from 3rd tier graders.And make sure the person you buy
from has a return/refund policy.

And, they'll sell it to some other sucker, over and over maybe, until it
finally finds an ignorantly happy owner. Disgusting.

Well put. And such is the essence of collectors and collecting.

don't look wrote:
"Purchased" an 1858 Flying eagle cent in an ANI case graded VF-30. Shoulda
heeded the few warnings about 3rd tier graders.
Turns out when I got the coin and could inspect it ,it would probably grade
VG -8,except for the gouge on the reverse which wasn't shown in the lousy
picture.
Now,I know grading is subjective,but between VG an VF-30 is a big gap.The
tail feathers are barely show seperation.There's about 25% wing feather
detail.The eagle head and eye are very worn. It's just awful(for a VF). Good
news is,I get my money back,including shipping so I won't mention the shop I
got it from. I've learnt' my lesson cheaply.




Yes,

But did you pay VG price or VF-30 price or something in between?

Mike

"Michael Ng" wrote in message
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don't look wrote:
"Purchased" an 1858 Flying eagle cent in an ANI case graded VF-30.
Shoulda
heeded the few warnings about 3rd tier graders.
Turns out when I got the coin and could inspect it ,it would probably
grade
VG -8,except for the gouge on the reverse which wasn't shown in the
lousy
picture.
Now,I know grading is subjective,but between VG an VF-30 is a big
gap.The
tail feathers are barely show seperation.There's about 25% wing feather
detail.The eagle head and eye are very worn. It's just awful(for a VF).
Good
news is,I get my money back,including shipping so I won't mention the
shop I
got it from. I've learnt' my lesson cheaply.




Yes,

But did you pay VG price or VF-30 price or something in between?

Mike

Doesn't matter.It wasn't cheap.But it wasn't retail either..The main point
is it was professionally graded by ANI,badly.Secondary point is I believe
that damage was intentionally hidden.

"don't look" don't wrote in message
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"Michael Ng" wrote in message
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don't look wrote:
"Purchased" an 1858 Flying eagle cent in an ANI case graded VF-30.
Shoulda
heeded the few warnings about 3rd tier graders.
Turns out when I got the coin and could inspect it ,it would probably
grade
VG -8,except for the gouge on the reverse which wasn't shown in the
lousy
picture.
Now,I know grading is subjective,but between VG an VF-30 is a big
gap.The
tail feathers are barely show seperation.There's about 25% wing feather
detail.The eagle head and eye are very worn. It's just awful(for a VF).
Good
news is,I get my money back,including shipping so I won't mention the
shop I
got it from. I've learnt' my lesson cheaply.




Yes,

But did you pay VG price or VF-30 price or something in between?

Mike

Doesn't matter.It wasn't cheap.But it wasn't retail either..The main point
is it was professionally graded by ANI,badly.Secondary point is I believe
that damage was intentionally hidden.

Howdy;

If I have the correct auction the hammer price was less than greysheet bid -
for a VG.

Of course the shipping was ridiculous but still the scan showed enough IMHO
to determine a G-VG grade and with some porous surfaces.

But you are right, it is very easy to "doctor" problems so they don't
appear.

I hope his "merchandise credit" refund is not true.

Regards

Dan

don't look wrote:



Doesn't matter.It wasn't cheap.But it wasn't retail either..The main point
is it was professionally graded by ANI,badly.Secondary point is I believe
that damage was intentionally hidden.




It does matter. Too many times, people look for bargains, thinking that
they can get the $10,000 coin in MS65 when in fact they paid only $100
and it turned out to be an MS63 coin.

On online auctions such as eBay, you really can't expect much, even for
the top tier grading services. What does eBay do? It allows amateurs
to sell coins as they please. These amateurs believe, and sometimes
strongly so, that they can get "labelled grade" prices just because "I
said so."

In fact, 80% of the coins of PCGS and NGC on eBay that I've bought don't
meet my criteria for the assigned grade.

Buy the coin, not the holder, and if you can't determine what the coin
is, buy based on strong reliable knowledge, and if you can't buy based
on strong reliable knowledge, don't buy.

Mike

"don't look" don't wrote in message
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ANI stinks



Well... of course!

What is the plural of "anus"?



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Jeff R.

"Michael Ng" wrote in message
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don't look wrote:



Doesn't matter.It wasn't cheap.But it wasn't retail either..The main
point
is it was professionally graded by ANI,badly.Secondary point is I
believe
that damage was intentionally hidden.




It does matter. Too many times, people look for bargains, thinking that
they can get the $10,000 coin in MS65 when in fact they paid only $100
and it turned out to be an MS63 coin.

On online auctions such as eBay, you really can't expect much, even for
the top tier grading services. What does eBay do? It allows amateurs
to sell coins as they please. These amateurs believe, and sometimes
strongly so, that they can get "labelled grade" prices just because "I
said so."

In fact, 80% of the coins of PCGS and NGC on eBay that I've bought don't
meet my criteria for the assigned grade.

Buy the coin, not the holder, and if you can't determine what the coin
is, buy based on strong reliable knowledge, and if you can't buy based
on strong reliable knowledge, don't buy.

Mike

That's fine. I agree it's partly my fault.But,my points still stand.I knew I
wasn't going to make any kind of big bucks on this one lousy coin.I just
wanted a decent example of a Flying Eagle without paying 50% retail markup.I
like coins,but I'm not rolling in dough.Anything wrong with that?I'll get
one too.Pete