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http://groups.google.com/groups?enc_...iYTQavV7mdW13Q
with all due respect, you are a regular over on the "other" site, you obviously got bored over there, so you came over here to stir up trouble ? above is a link to your previous posts- you're not only a newbie to this hobby, but you're a newbie to this message board as well |
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Bob,
"Nutbags like "Noodles" thrive on getting people churned up with his whacky nonsense. Ignore the troll now by putting him in your kill filer. " No need. I am simply stating a point, he can like it or not like it and react however he pleases...I will not be churned up, I am unchurnupable. I am also unflammable. Anyone who doubts that is free to test me at any time. |
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DeserTBoB wrote: On 27 Aug 2005 17:02:29 -0700, wrote: Charlie, with all due respect: snip He doesn't deserve any. He deserves your kill file. Repeated attempts to correct his psychotic mind just results in more flatulence from him. .... LOL So if one spouts hates for 'slackers' because they know they are a slacker themself, what does it say about them when they spout hate for homosexuals? LOL later, ron |
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Noah, I suggest you read Russ Forster's views on the 8trackheaven site-
would you want to be categorized as part of the "punk nation", or the "geek nation" ?? I'm neither, and don't want to be either. It's obvious from these rantings, that Russ tried to take a 1960/70's format, and make it the domain of the 1990's slackers. MANY a diehard 8-tracker has read this stuff and been turned off by it, because I've spoken to or emailed with many myself, who do not share this view. links and quotes below- Noah, is this your view ? http://www.8trackheaven.com/russforster3.html http://www.8trackheaven.com/ravings.html USELESS ANGRY RAVINGS BY RUSS PUNK NATION TO 8-TRACK NATION TO GEEK NATION: A DECADE OF SUBCULTURE SURFING In my "Personal Note from Your Editor" in the last issue of 8-Track Mind Magazine I talk about how I want to embrace my "compassionate geekiness" instead if hiding it behind a veil of irony. I'm sure my raving confused most of the people who read it, so here is further explication, for better or worse. My 10 years with 8-TM was a crazy trip into the land of underground subcultures (or, at the risk of sounding New Age-y, "tribes") hiding in the crevices of our oppressively monolithic corpora-culture. I'd actually been exposed to such a subculture which developed for ne'er do well suburban white kids like me in the early '80s, when I went to my first punk rock show and fell in love with that weird and inexplicable family of misfits and thrill seekers. It was so easy to find people who were as sick of Reagan and trickle-down and lame-o Top Forty rock schlock and the whole effort to discredit all of the idealism of the '60s to justify the greediness that was the call of the day. Unlike the punk scene today, it wasn't all about Gucci rebellion; it was kids wearing the crap their mothers bought them for Christmas or stuff they bought at thrift stores so they would have enough money to go to see H=FCsker D=FC at the local rock'n'roll toilet all-ages show. We were poor and misunderstood and passionate and disorganized, and it was quite a thrilling time and place to be in. Fast forward a few years to the end of the '80s, and my thrift store purchases were leaning more and more toward music instead of clothing, and it wasn't uncommon to see me leaving with a garbage bag filled with clumsy cartridges and a dusty old player or two. Generally I would get my booty for under a ten-spot, and I can't remember every spending more than a Jackson. I'd get back home and tinker for a few hours, and figure out some ridiculous way to incorporate 8-tracks into whatever goofy punk band I happened to be in at the time, although by this time we weren't calling them punk bands anymore. We were all noise or grunge or whatever term we happened to like that week. We played in Chicago dumps like Batteries Not Included, or, if we made it big, the Cabaret Metro. There were a few of us who would soon have major label deals in a few years, like Urge Overkill and Material Issue. But for the most part we were the misfits we always were, directionless and proud of it. And the oddest and most wigged-out of us were into 8-tracks. Looking for anything unacceptable to latch onto, we started a weekly bowling team at a neglected bowling alley called the Fireside Bowl. We brought our 8-tracks and players and amps and dressed up in our most heinous '70s thrift store garb and even got on TV with our Disco Bowling antics. Traveling punk bands would get dragged into the craziness, years before they would be playing at the Fireside when it became one of the premier all-ages venues in the country. I was on the verge of finding a subculture that would congeal and sustain me for more than just a few years at a time. I won't repeat the story of how 8-Track Mind and the 8-Track Underground came to be such a big part of my life (you can read about that in Useless Angry Ravings 11/00). It followed the same pattern of my earlier subculture dabblings, but went further and deeper than all the others. I ended up forming bonds with people all over the country, who became part of an impossible, ridiculous community. Just like the punk and noise and disco bowling communities in my past, eventually this community moved onto bigger and more important issues and bonds, many of us getting immersed in jobs and families and the like. But as an eternal seeker of communities outside the Nuclear Family norm, I find myself searching for a new subculture for sustenance. And realizing the basic geekiness that is woven like a thread through my life, I hit upon the notion of the Geek Nation. A lofty and even more ridiculous concept than anything in my past, the Geek Nation is for the millions who have been Black Sheeped into the underground, into cultural ghettos like Burning Man, clandestine raves, rock'n'roll toilets, freestyle hip-hop competitions, underground film festivals, homemade art galleries, and thousands of other places the self-important scene-makers would never be caught dead in. You might be part of the Geek Nation too, and not even know it. All I can guarantee is that everyone in the Geek Nation will have an amazingly good time, and my credentials are pretty good on that promise. |
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http://www.8trackheaven.com/russforster6.html
ok, now in this raving by Russ, he puts down DVD's as being for "snob appeal" (see link above), yet he just released his DVD now priced at $25, or $100 each with extras... and he also sells DVD's on Ebay so which is it then, is he analog, or digital ? I'm confused here- this "father of 8-tracks", with his film about the "analog revolution", has gone completely digital and abandoned the 8-track hobby altogether ? He's obviously embraced CD"s and DVD's because he's SELLING THEM on Ebay. Has he sold us out, or just changed his mind and tastes, or ? who knows ? here's his Ebay username again, if you read down the feedbacks, you'll see he is selling DVD's and CD's http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...3Drusselforst= er now it seems mighty odd and strange, to call DVD's "snob appeal", and state that VHS is better, then be selling DVD's and offering your movie in DVD quote from the ranting below, it seems the Russ has bought into his own "digital conspiracy" ? YOU GUYS TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED HERE ! I'd say you've all been bull****ted and buffaloed by this guy. He changes his views like most of us change our socks. "How true the words of Santayana: "Those who do not learn from mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them." Case in point: The new DVD craze. DVDs have been around for more than a few years, but only in the past year have they become a major force in the consumer entertainment market. It wasn't until the manufacturers started dumping DVD players on the market at barely above cost that consumers started paying interest in a big way, and even then with considerable suspicion. The fact of the matter is that VHS tapes are much more versatile, useful, and dependable than DVDs are, not to mention cheaper, no mater what Sony/Warners/MCA tell you. It's still expensive to get DVD recorders, and with all the copy protection thrown on this digital technology, you probably couldn't record much anyway. The entertainment oligopoly is so scared by the idea of people being able to make endless perfect copies of their favorite films that they've made copying digital material the realm of hackers. But one of the great boons of home entertainment during the VHS years was having the freedom to record your own stuff the way you wanted it -- customizing your raw material, if you will. In the digital Brave New World, you have to take it as it comes down from the corporate hierarchy, and pay a hefty price for it to boot. This is one of the reasons why it's taken so long for DVDs to catch on, and why VHS will continue to capture people's imagination for a long time to come. The companies are trying to put all kinds of bells and whistles into the mix to make you feel that you're getting something extra going digital, but while some features are nifty (widescreen, subtitles/dubbing on demand, director's commentary, slide shows and outtakes and extra camera angles) they are hardly essential, and some features are downright dumb (chapter selection, choppy fast forwarding, endless confusing menus). They're pushing "Digital 5.1" or "DTS" so that you can have the 360=BA sound experience, but you have to buy tons of speakers and have an acoustically inviting room to get much advantage from them. The law of diminishing returns kicks in pretty quickly here, unless you're a home theater maniac with tons of money to burn. It's all so reminiscent of the way the market moguls manipulated the world in the late '80s to make it safe for CD technology. And perhaps their greatest weapon then (as now) is the simplest: snob appeal. They are portraying VHS tapes as they did 8-tracks way back in the late '70s, as big, clunky, awkward, inconvenient. They are trumpeting that DVDs deliver better picture and sound more reliably than any analog formats. It all sounds so alluring, but after having to suffer through a rented DVD that had scratches rendering sections of GOSFORD PARK unwatchable, I have a greater appreciation of VHS tapes (as I do 8-tracks) as being jerry-riggable if not fully fixable when problems arise. Scratched CDs and DVDs are just plain junk, but a broken VHS tape or 8-track is a workable inconvenience. That makes all the difference in the world to me, since I like to think of my entertainment purchases as becoming part of an archive with some sort of longevity. The snob appeal button works with plenty of people, though. I've been thrust into the world of DVD with my own film and video work because distributors and a lot of potential customers won't accept VHS tapes anymore. (By the way, SO WRONG THEY'RE RIGHT, my 8-track feature-length documentary you can read about elsewhere on this website, just came out on DVD as a freebie with the August 2002 issue of an industry mag called TOTAL MOVIE AND ENTERTAINMENT, mainly because I thought it was such a ridiculous idea to have an 8-track movie in such a pro-digital-tech publication.) So I've had to bite the bullet and get serious about going DVD with all my visual media work, just to make it possible to be seen in the ever-widening circles of tech snobs. It's a dilemma for me, but as long as I can fire up my own Beta player in my own personal goofy analog world, I guess I can live with having to provide digital drink coasters for those who have bought into the Corporate Digital Conspiracy." |
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one more quote, just to show how wrong someone can be, and still be
followed blindly by a larger group- this is Russ on his political rant November 2000, where he predicts George Bush doesn't stand a chance. Subsequent events proved otherwise. I strongly suggest not glorifying or hero-izing Russ, because he is merely what he says he is- a slacker lazy wannabee who made a "B" movie laced with off-topic undertones that are mentally unhealthy and socially repulsive. Think about this before you lay down $25 or $100 or whatever for the DVD (oddly enough, to promote the analog revolution ?) Now you can see where/why/how just dubbing yourself a copy on VHS fits in so nicely- that approach basically makes Russ walk the walk, not only talk the talk. He was openly anti-copyright and anti-corporate, but suddenly didn't want diehard 8-trackers making each other copies of his film on VHS. So much for the early 1980's punk rock attitude he allegedly grew up with- it proved short lived in his case- I doubt you see him frequenting thrift stores anymore either. You may as well follow the Pied Piper. Read this link and realize how much Russ has changed his stances over time- notice how he's not active at all in the 8-track hobby anymore. http://www.8trackheaven.com/russforster2.html "True, there are pragmatic issues to consider. If George W. Bush wins, I will be wincing every day at his dumb-ass cowardly bullying way of dealing with the world. But if I survived Reagan and George Sr., I'm sure I can survive George Jr. in a pinch. I'm pretty sure I won't have to worry about that contingency, though. Once the female vote comes in strong, Bush doesn't stand a chance. Watch the surprisingly astute women's talk show The View sometime if you don't believe that Bush has managed to bungle things with the most secretly important voting block in this country." |
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OK, now the icing- explain this, and read the LAST SENTENCE in this
ranting. I realize it's not in the literary sense- rather it is allegorical. But enough is enough- this guy is against anything, for the sake of being against it, only to embrace it later when it is convenient for him- such as the DVD and CD examples. http://www.8trackheaven.com/russforster7.html |
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66FOURDOOR wrote: OK, now the icing- explain this, and read the LAST SENTENCE in this ranting. I realize it's not in the literary sense- rather it is allegorical. One thing in that last sentance stood out loud and clear, "With humor". But enough is enough- this guy is against anything, for the sake of being against it, only to embrace it later when it is convenient for him As does 99.99% of the population. So what? - such as the DVD and CD examples. In the grand scheme of life, who cares? http://www.8trackheaven.com/russforster7.html |
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"made a "B" movie laced with off-topic undertones that
are mentally unhealthy and socially repulsive." Charlie, You still have not offered one solid, irrefutable example of these things you claim are present in SO WRONG THEY'RE RIGHT. Until you do, I see no need to continue debating you on this topic. Respectfully, nldc |
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