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  #191  
Old October 3rd 09, 03:21 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Jud
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On Oct 2, 3:41*pm, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:


I'm rather doubtful that your tobacco tax dollars are being used directly
for that purpose. *"General fund" and all that rot. *Nor would I ever claim
that the government really gives a damn about you - or me. *A lifetime of
observation has made that quite clear to me.


Actually here in Maine, the tobacco tax is earmarked for insurance for
the uninsured children and for anti-smoking ads in the media. It also
goes to a quit smoking program. One out of three actually goes back to
the people paying for it. It is blatantly obvious that the government
cares not a whit about me.


As far as designated smoking areas go, I remember the days when the smoking
area in the vast majority of restaurants was separated from the non-smoking
area by nothing more than an aisle between two rows of tables. *There was
always some kind of heating/cooling unit in the ceiling that made sure that
the smoke was evenly distributed throughout the entire seating area. *Now,
that is just plain stupid. *I'll take one of those spots on your one hand
and say that yes, smokers have the right to a designated smoking area, and I
don't even care if they get the preferred seats in the joint, just don't
allow their output to migrate into the non-smoking area.


I like the idea of smoking/non-smoking restaurants. Smoke 'em if you
got 'em, and don't come in and complain if you don't establishments.
Same for the employees. Friend of mine owned a sports bar/restaurant
when they first prohibited smoking in restaurants. If 50%+ of your
gross came from liquor, you could allow smokers. He sold the bar
immediately as he anticipated a $200,000 loss in income for the 1st
year alone. It didn't take long for them to prohibit smoking in bars
as well. I went to Ireland in May 2006. Ireland prohibited smoking in
the pubs in March 2006. Now, that just seems to be unethical!

What is that story about WWII that goes along the lines of "They came
for the Jews, but I am not Jewish, so I did nothing" Beware! They
might come for left-handed people next! After all, proportionately,
they have more accidents than 'rightys'. Hey! I am offended by the
aftershave/perfume that some people wear! Where is the justice?


Yeah, ya gotta really watch them lefties, yupper! *Give 'em an inch and
they'll bring socialism and take all your dough. *8)

James the Southpaw


I know one area where we can agree Jim...Civil War tokens are kewl!




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  #192  
Old October 3rd 09, 03:28 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Mr. Jaggers
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Default Jaggers rant (WAS Gold prices plummet!) You have been warned

Jud wrote:
On Oct 2, 3:41 pm, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:


I'm rather doubtful that your tobacco tax dollars are being used
directly for that purpose. "General fund" and all that rot. Nor
would I ever claim that the government really gives a damn about you
- or me. A lifetime of observation has made that quite clear to me.


Actually here in Maine, the tobacco tax is earmarked for insurance for
the uninsured children and for anti-smoking ads in the media. It also
goes to a quit smoking program. One out of three actually goes back to
the people paying for it. It is blatantly obvious that the government
cares not a whit about me.


As far as designated smoking areas go, I remember the days when the
smoking area in the vast majority of restaurants was separated from
the non-smoking area by nothing more than an aisle between two rows
of tables. There was always some kind of heating/cooling unit in the
ceiling that made sure that the smoke was evenly distributed
throughout the entire seating area. Now, that is just plain stupid.
I'll take one of those spots on your one hand and say that yes,
smokers have the right to a designated smoking area, and I don't
even care if they get the preferred seats in the joint, just don't
allow their output to migrate into the non-smoking area.


I like the idea of smoking/non-smoking restaurants. Smoke 'em if you
got 'em, and don't come in and complain if you don't establishments.
Same for the employees. Friend of mine owned a sports bar/restaurant
when they first prohibited smoking in restaurants. If 50%+ of your
gross came from liquor, you could allow smokers. He sold the bar
immediately as he anticipated a $200,000 loss in income for the 1st
year alone. It didn't take long for them to prohibit smoking in bars
as well. I went to Ireland in May 2006. Ireland prohibited smoking in
the pubs in March 2006. Now, that just seems to be unethical!

What is that story about WWII that goes along the lines of "They
came for the Jews, but I am not Jewish, so I did nothing" Beware!
They might come for left-handed people next! After all,
proportionately, they have more accidents than 'rightys'. Hey! I am
offended by the aftershave/perfume that some people wear! Where is
the justice?


Yeah, ya gotta really watch them lefties, yupper! Give 'em an inch
and they'll bring socialism and take all your dough. 8)

James the Southpaw


I know one area where we can agree Jim...Civil War tokens are kewl!


Shhhh...........don't tell the socialists that I own CWTs, they'll want
those, too. Especially that Sheboygan I got a couple of days ago.

James the Cheesehead


  #193  
Old October 3rd 09, 04:11 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
George D[_5_]
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Mr. Jaggers wrote:
George D wrote:
Mr. Jaggers wrote:
Bruce Remick wrote:
"George D" wrote in message
...



snipped
As the documents change daily I know not how to do that and even
if I could find the most current of them I am not sufficiently
knowledgeable to be able to understand what they say and than
determine what the real effect will be if enacted. Damn even those
voting on them don't read them as you mention in your last
sentence. FWIW I do not listen to Limbaugh and the sources are from
both
right wing and left wing news. My home pages are azcentral, BBC,
and Foxnews anything else would only cause me to become more
confused. I only know that anytime the US government or any other
government
or quasi government gets started on anything they must grow or die.
This is true from your labor union, HOA, city, state, federal,
fire, or other group.

If the current bills pass into law it will only be the beginning of
a long down hill battle of more freedoms lost. One only needs to
look at what we had 40 or 50 years ago and where we are now to know
what a slippery slope we are on and as the years pass how much
faster we are slipping. You are a teacher of history so you must
know what we have lost in freedoms during this period. Many of the
laws could be considered for our own best interest BUT every one of
them reduces our ability to function independently. We are being
taught to let big brother take care of us and not learn to look out
for ourselves.
I was in college 50 years ago. The only freedoms I have lost since
that time, other than the freedom to be drafted, have been things
like checking in at an airport, walking out the door on the tarmack
to navigate a flight of stairs to my flight, and then lighting up a
smoke. Now we have to get to airport a couple hours early so our
selves and belongings can be searched. And smoke? Forgetaboutit. I
miss our old freedom there, but then we all have to go through the
same thing. Any other "freedoms" I might have lost in the past 50
years are equally as trivial and have little to do with our
government, per se. Which freedoms were you thinking of?
I consider it as having gained a freedom with the
smoking-in-public-places ban. No longer do I have to endure the
discomfort and danger of asthma from breathing secondary smoke or
smelling like a chimney when I leave a restaurant.

James the Nicotine-Addicted


I am a smoker and I understand that some people don't want smoking
near them but in city parks?????


http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ng0527-ON.html

I also believe a restaurant should be able to run its affairs with out
government interference. Let the market prevail if people don't want
smoking in the restaurant don't eat there. Non smoking areas or rooms
should be allowed for any business owner... We have been smoking on
this earth for a very long time and these laws are definitely a loss
of freedoms, both for the smokers and the owners of the business.

http://www.tobacco.org/History/Tobacco_History.html


George, I'm prepared to make you a deal!

We'll meet at a restaurant of your choice and sit at adjoining tables. I
will be bringing with me a large bucket of fresh pig manure with a stir
stick and you may bring the cigarette brand of your choice, even if your
choice happens to be Gauloises. As you enjoy your smoke, I will stir the
manure at regular intervals for your dining and dancing pleasure. The only
requirements are that we both eat everything on our plates and tip the
server appropriately.

James the Farmerboy



The difference here is your taking pig manure into the restaurant would
be between you, the owner and his desire to please his customers. My
smoking would be regulated by law. You could be asked to leave I could
go to jail.

George

--
Government is a voracious monster that must have your labor to control
YOU! Your money is your liberty. The taxes you pay gently enslave you,
and eventually destroy any human liberty you have. Fear government, pray
for the country.
  #194  
Old October 3rd 09, 04:30 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Mr. Jaggers
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Default Jaggers rant (WAS Gold prices plummet!) You have been warned

George D wrote:
Mr. Jaggers wrote:
George D wrote:
Mr. Jaggers wrote:
Bruce Remick wrote:
"George D" wrote in message
...



snipped
As the documents change daily I know not how to do that and even
if I could find the most current of them I am not sufficiently
knowledgeable to be able to understand what they say and than
determine what the real effect will be if enacted. Damn even
those voting on them don't read them as you mention in your last
sentence. FWIW I do not listen to Limbaugh and the sources are
from both
right wing and left wing news. My home pages are azcentral, BBC,
and Foxnews anything else would only cause me to become more
confused. I only know that anytime the US government or any other
government
or quasi government gets started on anything they must grow or
die. This is true from your labor union, HOA, city, state,
federal, fire, or other group.

If the current bills pass into law it will only be the beginning
of a long down hill battle of more freedoms lost. One only needs
to look at what we had 40 or 50 years ago and where we are now
to know what a slippery slope we are on and as the years pass
how much faster we are slipping. You are a teacher of history so
you must know what we have lost in freedoms during this period.
Many of the laws could be considered for our own best interest
BUT every one of them reduces our ability to function
independently. We are being taught to let big brother take care
of us and not learn to look out for ourselves.
I was in college 50 years ago. The only freedoms I have lost
since that time, other than the freedom to be drafted, have been
things like checking in at an airport, walking out the door on
the tarmack to navigate a flight of stairs to my flight, and then
lighting up a smoke. Now we have to get to airport a couple
hours early so our selves and belongings can be searched. And
smoke? Forgetaboutit. I miss our old freedom there, but then we
all have to go through the same thing. Any other "freedoms" I
might have lost in the past 50 years are equally as trivial and
have little to do with our government, per se. Which freedoms
were you thinking of?
I consider it as having gained a freedom with the
smoking-in-public-places ban. No longer do I have to endure the
discomfort and danger of asthma from breathing secondary smoke or
smelling like a chimney when I leave a restaurant.

James the Nicotine-Addicted


I am a smoker and I understand that some people don't want smoking
near them but in city parks?????


http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ng0527-ON.html

I also believe a restaurant should be able to run its affairs with
out government interference. Let the market prevail if people don't
want smoking in the restaurant don't eat there. Non smoking areas
or rooms should be allowed for any business owner... We have been
smoking on this earth for a very long time and these laws are
definitely a loss of freedoms, both for the smokers and the owners
of the business. http://www.tobacco.org/History/Tobacco_History.html


George, I'm prepared to make you a deal!

We'll meet at a restaurant of your choice and sit at adjoining
tables. I will be bringing with me a large bucket of fresh pig
manure with a stir stick and you may bring the cigarette brand of
your choice, even if your choice happens to be Gauloises. As you
enjoy your smoke, I will stir the manure at regular intervals for
your dining and dancing pleasure. The only requirements are that we
both eat everything on our plates and tip the server appropriately.

James the Farmerboy



The difference here is your taking pig manure into the restaurant
would be between you, the owner and his desire to please his
customers. My smoking would be regulated by law. You could be asked
to leave I could go to jail.


I didn't bring this up to discuss the law, nor to argue the medical and
scientific implications of smoking. I brought it up to point out the
effects of bad behavior on those around us. I certainly would not suggest
that you should be sent to jail for smoking, nor that I would ever do
something so gauche as to bring a bucket of manure into an eatery, but
rather, that both of us, in an appeal to each of our concepts of fair play,
would refrain from engaging in behavior that would cause physical discomfort
to others. Without such concessions, we may still have democracy, but we
can by no stretch of the imagination claim that we have civilization.
Civilization is best when people voluntarily take the well-being of their
neighbors into consideration, worst when, in the absence of such
willingness, the government has to step in to enforce civilized behavior.

James the Relativist


  #195  
Old October 3rd 09, 07:48 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
George D[_5_]
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Mr. Jaggers wrote:

The difference here is your taking pig manure into the restaurant
would be between you, the owner and his desire to please his
customers. My smoking would be regulated by law. You could be asked
to leave I could go to jail.


I didn't bring this up to discuss the law, nor to argue the medical and
scientific implications of smoking. I brought it up to point out the
effects of bad behavior on those around us. I certainly would not suggest
that you should be sent to jail for smoking, nor that I would ever do
something so gauche as to bring a bucket of manure into an eatery, but
rather, that both of us, in an appeal to each of our concepts of fair play,
would refrain from engaging in behavior that would cause physical discomfort
to others. Without such concessions, we may still have democracy, but we
can by no stretch of the imagination claim that we have civilization.
Civilization is best when people voluntarily take the well-being of their
neighbors into consideration, worst when, in the absence of such
willingness, the government has to step in to enforce civilized behavior.

James the Relativist


James I have not been able to make my point so I will try one more time.

There are approximately 75 restaurants within my zip code all of those
establishments "could" allow you to enter with your pig manure. Not one
of those could legally allow me to smoke.

Now what coin topic were we talking about.

George


--
Government is a voracious monster that must have your labor to control
YOU! Your money is your liberty. The taxes you pay gently enslave you,
and eventually destroy any human liberty you have. Fear government, pray
for the country.
  #196  
Old October 3rd 09, 07:57 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Jerry Dennis
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On Oct 2, 2:47*pm, "note.boy" wrote:
Was it larry Hagman who, upon being asked by someone if he minded that they
smoked, his reply wold be, do you mind if I fart.


Actually, it was Steve Martin on his debut record (Record? What's a
record?), Let's Get Small. He told the story that while in a
restaurant a woman asked her date if he'd mind if she smoked. He
muttered under his breath, "Do you mind if I fart?" He took it from
there. I don't have the album but I remember parts of the bit:

"It's one of my habits. Yeah, they have a special section for me on
airplanes. I tried to quit once, but I gained a lot of weight. It's
hard to quit. You know, after sex I really have the urge to light one
up."

Jerry the Flatulent
  #197  
Old October 3rd 09, 08:01 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Jerry Dennis
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On Oct 1, 7:30*pm, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
The Giant Brain wrote:
"George D" wrote in message
...


I am a smoker and I understand that some people don't want smoking
near them but in city parks?????


As I citizen I want to be free to enjoy a park without smelling
someone's stinking carcinogenic tobacco smoke.
You want to smoke? Go home, go in your car but don't expose others to
a proven health risk.


Just the other day I was in the drive-up at Mickie D's and the driver of the
car ahead of me was smoking with her window down. *The breeze was such that
I got the full monte in my lungs as if I were sitting in the car with her..
Pew!

James the Gagger


Now there's an oxymoron. Smoking is bad for you (yes, I smoke), but
Mickey D's is fine (no, I don't go there). I have an idea. Let's eat
cigarettes and smoke McDonald's.

Jerry
I had to say something. :-)
  #198  
Old October 3rd 09, 08:14 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Mr. Jaggers
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George D wrote:
Mr. Jaggers wrote:

The difference here is your taking pig manure into the restaurant
would be between you, the owner and his desire to please his
customers. My smoking would be regulated by law. You could be asked
to leave I could go to jail.


I didn't bring this up to discuss the law, nor to argue the medical
and scientific implications of smoking. I brought it up to point
out the effects of bad behavior on those around us. I certainly
would not suggest that you should be sent to jail for smoking, nor
that I would ever do something so gauche as to bring a bucket of
manure into an eatery, but rather, that both of us, in an appeal to
each of our concepts of fair play, would refrain from engaging in
behavior that would cause physical discomfort to others. Without
such concessions, we may still have democracy, but we can by no
stretch of the imagination claim that we have civilization.
Civilization is best when people voluntarily take the well-being of
their neighbors into consideration, worst when, in the absence of
such willingness, the government has to step in to enforce civilized
behavior. James the Relativist


James I have not been able to make my point so I will try one more
time.
There are approximately 75 restaurants within my zip code all of those
establishments "could" allow you to enter with your pig manure. Not
one of those could legally allow me to smoke.

Now what coin topic were we talking about.


I think it was the Hogge money of the Bermuda Islands.

James the Porcine


  #199  
Old October 3rd 09, 08:32 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Mr. Jaggers
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Default Jaggers rant (WAS Gold prices plummet!) You have been warned

George D wrote:
Mr. Jaggers wrote:

The difference here is your taking pig manure into the restaurant
would be between you, the owner and his desire to please his
customers. My smoking would be regulated by law. You could be asked
to leave I could go to jail.


I didn't bring this up to discuss the law, nor to argue the medical
and scientific implications of smoking. I brought it up to point
out the effects of bad behavior on those around us. I certainly
would not suggest that you should be sent to jail for smoking, nor
that I would ever do something so gauche as to bring a bucket of
manure into an eatery, but rather, that both of us, in an appeal to
each of our concepts of fair play, would refrain from engaging in
behavior that would cause physical discomfort to others. Without
such concessions, we may still have democracy, but we can by no
stretch of the imagination claim that we have civilization.
Civilization is best when people voluntarily take the well-being of
their neighbors into consideration, worst when, in the absence of
such willingness, the government has to step in to enforce civilized
behavior. James the Relativist


James I have not been able to make my point so I will try one more
time.
There are approximately 75 restaurants within my zip code all of those
establishments "could" allow you to enter with your pig manure. Not
one of those could legally allow me to smoke.

Now what coin topic were we talking about.


Actually, I think that county health departments have regulations that would
quickly bring on a visit from the gendarmerie, and I'd get taken downtown
for disorderly conduct, if nothing else.

On the other hand, I'll bet all 75 of them have at least one resident
cucaracha, so who knows?

James the Hat Dancer


  #200  
Old October 3rd 09, 09:38 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
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"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
...
note.boy wrote:
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
...
oly wrote:
On Oct 2, 10:29 am, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com
wrote:
Jud wrote:
Smokers seem to be the only minority without rights.

Smokers have rights. Those rights are necessarily abridged, as are
virtually *all* rights. If you do not agree, please provide a list
of groups, majority or minority, that enjoy unabridged rights,
*or* any right or rights themselves that are unabridged,
historical or modern. James the Abridger of Rights

IMHO, once the meddling ninny *******s make smoking tobacco a
capital offense, then they come after the beer.

Now oly, sayaing that smoking is a capital offense is just a tad
extreme, dontcha think?



It already is a capital offence for about 25% of smokers. Billy


Hadn't thought of that. Good point. But that's their business. I
shouldn't have to be collateral damage.

James the Survivor



Roy Castle, a UK entertainer, died of a cancer that only smokers get but he
was a non smoker, he worked in many smoke filled clubs over the years so he
was killed by smokers.

Perhaps if a non smoker can smell cigarette smoke the smoker responsible
should be charged with attempted murder? Billy


 




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