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Jaggers rant (WAS Gold prices plummet!) You have been warned
On Oct 2, 3:41*pm, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
I'm rather doubtful that your tobacco tax dollars are being used directly for that purpose. *"General fund" and all that rot. *Nor would I ever claim that the government really gives a damn about you - or me. *A lifetime of observation has made that quite clear to me. Actually here in Maine, the tobacco tax is earmarked for insurance for the uninsured children and for anti-smoking ads in the media. It also goes to a quit smoking program. One out of three actually goes back to the people paying for it. It is blatantly obvious that the government cares not a whit about me. As far as designated smoking areas go, I remember the days when the smoking area in the vast majority of restaurants was separated from the non-smoking area by nothing more than an aisle between two rows of tables. *There was always some kind of heating/cooling unit in the ceiling that made sure that the smoke was evenly distributed throughout the entire seating area. *Now, that is just plain stupid. *I'll take one of those spots on your one hand and say that yes, smokers have the right to a designated smoking area, and I don't even care if they get the preferred seats in the joint, just don't allow their output to migrate into the non-smoking area. I like the idea of smoking/non-smoking restaurants. Smoke 'em if you got 'em, and don't come in and complain if you don't establishments. Same for the employees. Friend of mine owned a sports bar/restaurant when they first prohibited smoking in restaurants. If 50%+ of your gross came from liquor, you could allow smokers. He sold the bar immediately as he anticipated a $200,000 loss in income for the 1st year alone. It didn't take long for them to prohibit smoking in bars as well. I went to Ireland in May 2006. Ireland prohibited smoking in the pubs in March 2006. Now, that just seems to be unethical! What is that story about WWII that goes along the lines of "They came for the Jews, but I am not Jewish, so I did nothing" Beware! They might come for left-handed people next! After all, proportionately, they have more accidents than 'rightys'. Hey! I am offended by the aftershave/perfume that some people wear! Where is the justice? Yeah, ya gotta really watch them lefties, yupper! *Give 'em an inch and they'll bring socialism and take all your dough. *8) James the Southpaw I know one area where we can agree Jim...Civil War tokens are kewl! |
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Jaggers rant (WAS Gold prices plummet!) You have been warned
Jud wrote:
On Oct 2, 3:41 pm, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: I'm rather doubtful that your tobacco tax dollars are being used directly for that purpose. "General fund" and all that rot. Nor would I ever claim that the government really gives a damn about you - or me. A lifetime of observation has made that quite clear to me. Actually here in Maine, the tobacco tax is earmarked for insurance for the uninsured children and for anti-smoking ads in the media. It also goes to a quit smoking program. One out of three actually goes back to the people paying for it. It is blatantly obvious that the government cares not a whit about me. As far as designated smoking areas go, I remember the days when the smoking area in the vast majority of restaurants was separated from the non-smoking area by nothing more than an aisle between two rows of tables. There was always some kind of heating/cooling unit in the ceiling that made sure that the smoke was evenly distributed throughout the entire seating area. Now, that is just plain stupid. I'll take one of those spots on your one hand and say that yes, smokers have the right to a designated smoking area, and I don't even care if they get the preferred seats in the joint, just don't allow their output to migrate into the non-smoking area. I like the idea of smoking/non-smoking restaurants. Smoke 'em if you got 'em, and don't come in and complain if you don't establishments. Same for the employees. Friend of mine owned a sports bar/restaurant when they first prohibited smoking in restaurants. If 50%+ of your gross came from liquor, you could allow smokers. He sold the bar immediately as he anticipated a $200,000 loss in income for the 1st year alone. It didn't take long for them to prohibit smoking in bars as well. I went to Ireland in May 2006. Ireland prohibited smoking in the pubs in March 2006. Now, that just seems to be unethical! What is that story about WWII that goes along the lines of "They came for the Jews, but I am not Jewish, so I did nothing" Beware! They might come for left-handed people next! After all, proportionately, they have more accidents than 'rightys'. Hey! I am offended by the aftershave/perfume that some people wear! Where is the justice? Yeah, ya gotta really watch them lefties, yupper! Give 'em an inch and they'll bring socialism and take all your dough. 8) James the Southpaw I know one area where we can agree Jim...Civil War tokens are kewl! Shhhh...........don't tell the socialists that I own CWTs, they'll want those, too. Especially that Sheboygan I got a couple of days ago. James the Cheesehead |
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Jaggers rant (WAS Gold prices plummet!) You have been warned
Mr. Jaggers wrote:
George D wrote: Mr. Jaggers wrote: Bruce Remick wrote: "George D" wrote in message ... snipped As the documents change daily I know not how to do that and even if I could find the most current of them I am not sufficiently knowledgeable to be able to understand what they say and than determine what the real effect will be if enacted. Damn even those voting on them don't read them as you mention in your last sentence. FWIW I do not listen to Limbaugh and the sources are from both right wing and left wing news. My home pages are azcentral, BBC, and Foxnews anything else would only cause me to become more confused. I only know that anytime the US government or any other government or quasi government gets started on anything they must grow or die. This is true from your labor union, HOA, city, state, federal, fire, or other group. If the current bills pass into law it will only be the beginning of a long down hill battle of more freedoms lost. One only needs to look at what we had 40 or 50 years ago and where we are now to know what a slippery slope we are on and as the years pass how much faster we are slipping. You are a teacher of history so you must know what we have lost in freedoms during this period. Many of the laws could be considered for our own best interest BUT every one of them reduces our ability to function independently. We are being taught to let big brother take care of us and not learn to look out for ourselves. I was in college 50 years ago. The only freedoms I have lost since that time, other than the freedom to be drafted, have been things like checking in at an airport, walking out the door on the tarmack to navigate a flight of stairs to my flight, and then lighting up a smoke. Now we have to get to airport a couple hours early so our selves and belongings can be searched. And smoke? Forgetaboutit. I miss our old freedom there, but then we all have to go through the same thing. Any other "freedoms" I might have lost in the past 50 years are equally as trivial and have little to do with our government, per se. Which freedoms were you thinking of? I consider it as having gained a freedom with the smoking-in-public-places ban. No longer do I have to endure the discomfort and danger of asthma from breathing secondary smoke or smelling like a chimney when I leave a restaurant. James the Nicotine-Addicted I am a smoker and I understand that some people don't want smoking near them but in city parks????? http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ng0527-ON.html I also believe a restaurant should be able to run its affairs with out government interference. Let the market prevail if people don't want smoking in the restaurant don't eat there. Non smoking areas or rooms should be allowed for any business owner... We have been smoking on this earth for a very long time and these laws are definitely a loss of freedoms, both for the smokers and the owners of the business. http://www.tobacco.org/History/Tobacco_History.html George, I'm prepared to make you a deal! We'll meet at a restaurant of your choice and sit at adjoining tables. I will be bringing with me a large bucket of fresh pig manure with a stir stick and you may bring the cigarette brand of your choice, even if your choice happens to be Gauloises. As you enjoy your smoke, I will stir the manure at regular intervals for your dining and dancing pleasure. The only requirements are that we both eat everything on our plates and tip the server appropriately. James the Farmerboy The difference here is your taking pig manure into the restaurant would be between you, the owner and his desire to please his customers. My smoking would be regulated by law. You could be asked to leave I could go to jail. George -- Government is a voracious monster that must have your labor to control YOU! Your money is your liberty. The taxes you pay gently enslave you, and eventually destroy any human liberty you have. Fear government, pray for the country. |
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Jaggers rant (WAS Gold prices plummet!) You have been warned
George D wrote:
Mr. Jaggers wrote: George D wrote: Mr. Jaggers wrote: Bruce Remick wrote: "George D" wrote in message ... snipped As the documents change daily I know not how to do that and even if I could find the most current of them I am not sufficiently knowledgeable to be able to understand what they say and than determine what the real effect will be if enacted. Damn even those voting on them don't read them as you mention in your last sentence. FWIW I do not listen to Limbaugh and the sources are from both right wing and left wing news. My home pages are azcentral, BBC, and Foxnews anything else would only cause me to become more confused. I only know that anytime the US government or any other government or quasi government gets started on anything they must grow or die. This is true from your labor union, HOA, city, state, federal, fire, or other group. If the current bills pass into law it will only be the beginning of a long down hill battle of more freedoms lost. One only needs to look at what we had 40 or 50 years ago and where we are now to know what a slippery slope we are on and as the years pass how much faster we are slipping. You are a teacher of history so you must know what we have lost in freedoms during this period. Many of the laws could be considered for our own best interest BUT every one of them reduces our ability to function independently. We are being taught to let big brother take care of us and not learn to look out for ourselves. I was in college 50 years ago. The only freedoms I have lost since that time, other than the freedom to be drafted, have been things like checking in at an airport, walking out the door on the tarmack to navigate a flight of stairs to my flight, and then lighting up a smoke. Now we have to get to airport a couple hours early so our selves and belongings can be searched. And smoke? Forgetaboutit. I miss our old freedom there, but then we all have to go through the same thing. Any other "freedoms" I might have lost in the past 50 years are equally as trivial and have little to do with our government, per se. Which freedoms were you thinking of? I consider it as having gained a freedom with the smoking-in-public-places ban. No longer do I have to endure the discomfort and danger of asthma from breathing secondary smoke or smelling like a chimney when I leave a restaurant. James the Nicotine-Addicted I am a smoker and I understand that some people don't want smoking near them but in city parks????? http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ng0527-ON.html I also believe a restaurant should be able to run its affairs with out government interference. Let the market prevail if people don't want smoking in the restaurant don't eat there. Non smoking areas or rooms should be allowed for any business owner... We have been smoking on this earth for a very long time and these laws are definitely a loss of freedoms, both for the smokers and the owners of the business. http://www.tobacco.org/History/Tobacco_History.html George, I'm prepared to make you a deal! We'll meet at a restaurant of your choice and sit at adjoining tables. I will be bringing with me a large bucket of fresh pig manure with a stir stick and you may bring the cigarette brand of your choice, even if your choice happens to be Gauloises. As you enjoy your smoke, I will stir the manure at regular intervals for your dining and dancing pleasure. The only requirements are that we both eat everything on our plates and tip the server appropriately. James the Farmerboy The difference here is your taking pig manure into the restaurant would be between you, the owner and his desire to please his customers. My smoking would be regulated by law. You could be asked to leave I could go to jail. I didn't bring this up to discuss the law, nor to argue the medical and scientific implications of smoking. I brought it up to point out the effects of bad behavior on those around us. I certainly would not suggest that you should be sent to jail for smoking, nor that I would ever do something so gauche as to bring a bucket of manure into an eatery, but rather, that both of us, in an appeal to each of our concepts of fair play, would refrain from engaging in behavior that would cause physical discomfort to others. Without such concessions, we may still have democracy, but we can by no stretch of the imagination claim that we have civilization. Civilization is best when people voluntarily take the well-being of their neighbors into consideration, worst when, in the absence of such willingness, the government has to step in to enforce civilized behavior. James the Relativist |
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Jaggers rant (WAS Gold prices plummet!) You have been warned
Mr. Jaggers wrote:
The difference here is your taking pig manure into the restaurant would be between you, the owner and his desire to please his customers. My smoking would be regulated by law. You could be asked to leave I could go to jail. I didn't bring this up to discuss the law, nor to argue the medical and scientific implications of smoking. I brought it up to point out the effects of bad behavior on those around us. I certainly would not suggest that you should be sent to jail for smoking, nor that I would ever do something so gauche as to bring a bucket of manure into an eatery, but rather, that both of us, in an appeal to each of our concepts of fair play, would refrain from engaging in behavior that would cause physical discomfort to others. Without such concessions, we may still have democracy, but we can by no stretch of the imagination claim that we have civilization. Civilization is best when people voluntarily take the well-being of their neighbors into consideration, worst when, in the absence of such willingness, the government has to step in to enforce civilized behavior. James the Relativist James I have not been able to make my point so I will try one more time. There are approximately 75 restaurants within my zip code all of those establishments "could" allow you to enter with your pig manure. Not one of those could legally allow me to smoke. Now what coin topic were we talking about. George -- Government is a voracious monster that must have your labor to control YOU! Your money is your liberty. The taxes you pay gently enslave you, and eventually destroy any human liberty you have. Fear government, pray for the country. |
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Jaggers rant (WAS Gold prices plummet!) You have been warned
On Oct 2, 2:47*pm, "note.boy" wrote:
Was it larry Hagman who, upon being asked by someone if he minded that they smoked, his reply wold be, do you mind if I fart. Actually, it was Steve Martin on his debut record (Record? What's a record?), Let's Get Small. He told the story that while in a restaurant a woman asked her date if he'd mind if she smoked. He muttered under his breath, "Do you mind if I fart?" He took it from there. I don't have the album but I remember parts of the bit: "It's one of my habits. Yeah, they have a special section for me on airplanes. I tried to quit once, but I gained a lot of weight. It's hard to quit. You know, after sex I really have the urge to light one up." Jerry the Flatulent |
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Jaggers rant (WAS Gold prices plummet!) You have been warned
On Oct 1, 7:30*pm, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
The Giant Brain wrote: "George D" wrote in message ... I am a smoker and I understand that some people don't want smoking near them but in city parks????? As I citizen I want to be free to enjoy a park without smelling someone's stinking carcinogenic tobacco smoke. You want to smoke? Go home, go in your car but don't expose others to a proven health risk. Just the other day I was in the drive-up at Mickie D's and the driver of the car ahead of me was smoking with her window down. *The breeze was such that I got the full monte in my lungs as if I were sitting in the car with her.. Pew! James the Gagger Now there's an oxymoron. Smoking is bad for you (yes, I smoke), but Mickey D's is fine (no, I don't go there). I have an idea. Let's eat cigarettes and smoke McDonald's. Jerry I had to say something. :-) |
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Jaggers rant (WAS Gold prices plummet!) You have been warned
George D wrote:
Mr. Jaggers wrote: The difference here is your taking pig manure into the restaurant would be between you, the owner and his desire to please his customers. My smoking would be regulated by law. You could be asked to leave I could go to jail. I didn't bring this up to discuss the law, nor to argue the medical and scientific implications of smoking. I brought it up to point out the effects of bad behavior on those around us. I certainly would not suggest that you should be sent to jail for smoking, nor that I would ever do something so gauche as to bring a bucket of manure into an eatery, but rather, that both of us, in an appeal to each of our concepts of fair play, would refrain from engaging in behavior that would cause physical discomfort to others. Without such concessions, we may still have democracy, but we can by no stretch of the imagination claim that we have civilization. Civilization is best when people voluntarily take the well-being of their neighbors into consideration, worst when, in the absence of such willingness, the government has to step in to enforce civilized behavior. James the Relativist James I have not been able to make my point so I will try one more time. There are approximately 75 restaurants within my zip code all of those establishments "could" allow you to enter with your pig manure. Not one of those could legally allow me to smoke. Now what coin topic were we talking about. I think it was the Hogge money of the Bermuda Islands. James the Porcine |
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Jaggers rant (WAS Gold prices plummet!) You have been warned
George D wrote:
Mr. Jaggers wrote: The difference here is your taking pig manure into the restaurant would be between you, the owner and his desire to please his customers. My smoking would be regulated by law. You could be asked to leave I could go to jail. I didn't bring this up to discuss the law, nor to argue the medical and scientific implications of smoking. I brought it up to point out the effects of bad behavior on those around us. I certainly would not suggest that you should be sent to jail for smoking, nor that I would ever do something so gauche as to bring a bucket of manure into an eatery, but rather, that both of us, in an appeal to each of our concepts of fair play, would refrain from engaging in behavior that would cause physical discomfort to others. Without such concessions, we may still have democracy, but we can by no stretch of the imagination claim that we have civilization. Civilization is best when people voluntarily take the well-being of their neighbors into consideration, worst when, in the absence of such willingness, the government has to step in to enforce civilized behavior. James the Relativist James I have not been able to make my point so I will try one more time. There are approximately 75 restaurants within my zip code all of those establishments "could" allow you to enter with your pig manure. Not one of those could legally allow me to smoke. Now what coin topic were we talking about. Actually, I think that county health departments have regulations that would quickly bring on a visit from the gendarmerie, and I'd get taken downtown for disorderly conduct, if nothing else. On the other hand, I'll bet all 75 of them have at least one resident cucaracha, so who knows? James the Hat Dancer |
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Jaggers rant (WAS Gold prices plummet!) You have been warned
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... note.boy wrote: "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... oly wrote: On Oct 2, 10:29 am, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: Jud wrote: Smokers seem to be the only minority without rights. Smokers have rights. Those rights are necessarily abridged, as are virtually *all* rights. If you do not agree, please provide a list of groups, majority or minority, that enjoy unabridged rights, *or* any right or rights themselves that are unabridged, historical or modern. James the Abridger of Rights IMHO, once the meddling ninny *******s make smoking tobacco a capital offense, then they come after the beer. Now oly, sayaing that smoking is a capital offense is just a tad extreme, dontcha think? It already is a capital offence for about 25% of smokers. Billy Hadn't thought of that. Good point. But that's their business. I shouldn't have to be collateral damage. James the Survivor Roy Castle, a UK entertainer, died of a cancer that only smokers get but he was a non smoker, he worked in many smoke filled clubs over the years so he was killed by smokers. Perhaps if a non smoker can smell cigarette smoke the smoker responsible should be charged with attempted murder? Billy |
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