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How to report shill bidders to the FBI
Lumpy wrote:
Ignoramus30382 wrote: 1-800-CALLFBI This totally silly, to be devoting so much time on such a nonsensical topic as shill bidding. Did you guys see the color of Chelsea's gown? And how 'bout Bristol and Levi. They're on and off more than Frank and Brickie. Lumpy In Your Ears for Fifty Years! www.LumpyMusic.com They are coin dealers Lumpy. They think a Bristol or Levi is a coin in Israel. I wish they were in Israel. And the coin dealers too. |
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How to report shill bidders to the FBI
On Aug 4, 7:57*pm, BrotherBart wrote:
Lumpy wrote: Ignoramus30382 wrote: 1-800-CALLFBI This totally silly, to be devoting so much time on such a nonsensical topic as shill bidding. Did you guys see the color of Chelsea's gown? And how 'bout Bristol and Levi. They're on and off more than Frank and Brickie. Lumpy In Your Ears for Fifty Years! www.LumpyMusic.com They are coin dealers Lumpy. They think a Bristol or Levi is a coin in Israel. I wish they were in Israel. And the coin dealers too.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Back in the 1970s certain coin dealers got gaga about Israel Coins. Today's crop of coin dealers have no idea, I've seen them offer less than melt for a Seafaring. oly |
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How to report shill bidders to the FBI
oly wrote:
Back in the 1970s certain coin dealers got gaga about Israel Coins. Today's crop of coin dealers have no idea, I've seen them offer less than melt for a Seafaring. Waddl'ya give me for a 71 Levi? Lumpy In Your Ears for Fifty Years! www.LumpyMusic.com |
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How to report shill bidders to the FBI
On Aug 4, 9:14*pm, "Lumpy" wrote:
oly wrote: Back in the 1970s certain coin dealers got gaga about Israel Coins. Today's crop of coin dealers have no idea, I've seen them offer less than melt for a Seafaring. Waddl'ya give me for a 71 Levi? Lumpy In Your Ears for Fifty Years!www.LumpyMusic.com I know it shocking Mr. Lumpy, but I think Bristol's Levi is about a 1991 or 1992 model. Almost everybody on the forum is a D-I-N-O-S-A-U-R pronounced "old ****". oly |
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How to report shill bidders to the FBI
On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 18:53:43 -0400, BrotherBart
wrote: Lumpy wrote: Some idiot wrote: When you suspect this I suggest you report it as a crime for investigation with shill bidders. Seller can get up to 10 years -www.cybercrime.govto learn more. "Hey buddy...What are you in for?" ""Murder, rape, conspiracy and selling narcotics. You?"" "I shill bid a 1943 penny" ""Cool. You're my bitch!"" Lumpy In Your Ears for Fifty Years! www.LumpyMusic.com It's a national security thing. Silly me, I thought it was a national insecurity thing. |
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How to report shill bidders to the FBI
On Aug 3, 6:36*am, "Rander" wrote:
When you suspect this I suggest you report it as a crime for investigation with shill bidders. Seller can get up to 10 years -www.cybercrime.govto learn more. Engaging Law Enforcement on suspicious activity is your job also. Don't neglect that aspect. If we want ebay to stay clean, it has to happen. I had a suspicious reverse shill expose my reserve, so I am making a report (Administrative Cancel). The FBI is cracking down (at least as I understand it). Cyber crime of shills is very catchable in the long run. Since you provided email addresses and IP;s in using the site, reverse lookups of public infomation can track down networks of shills. Shilling requires a naive seller or bidder. Report the suspected crime not just to ebay. Keep ebay informed if you plan to report suspicious activity. Shilling on ebay may be somewaht common, but it's a stupid crime. You'd have to do enough to make it worth while, and then your activity is noticed by the fraud investigation systems for targeting. If you are a criminal - stop, If you are thinking about doing it - don't. There are ways to catch you that even a ordinary computer person like me knows. Besides remember even the police buy and sell on ebay. 1 in 99 sellers is likely in Law Enforcement, legal (attorney), a security or in some type of justice role. I am not, but do I really want to take a chance??? I have used Intellius for one background check in another area (not ebay), it costs but was worth it. How do they know who you are shilling with... Google links and social networking, is just the start. Vigilant reporting is key, and not just to ebay.... They best way to prevent being a "victim" of it is to bid your best price and leave it at that. |
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How to report shill bidders to the FBI
Relayer wrote:
[cross-posted material removed] They best way to prevent being a "victim" of it is to bid your best price and leave it at that. That does not solve the problem, because of the way proxy bidding works. Whether it's an advance bid or a snipe bid makes no difference, either. A shill bid placed at any time still increases the amount that the winning bidder must pay. He might enjoy the satisfaction of winning, but he still pays more because of it. Due to eBay's current protocol, the likelihood of being shilled at some time or other is very high, while the likelihood of knowing that you have been shilled in a specific case and being able to prove it is very small. That is the reason that eBay will not waste its resources following up on each and every shilling allegation it receives. Several years ago I reported a sickeningly obvious shill to eBay - the shill bidder was an employee of the coin dealer who had posted the auction, and I knew both of them. The perpetrator got slapped for it, but that was back when a bidder's ID was much more transparent. It would be massively more difficult to accomplish that today. James the Occasional Victim |
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How to report shill bidders to the FBI
On Aug 3, 7:36*am, "Rander" wrote:
When you suspect this I suggest you report it as a crime for investigation with shill bidders. Seller can get up to 10 years -www.cybercrime.govto learn more. Engaging Law Enforcement on suspicious activity is your job also. Don't neglect that aspect. If we want ebay to stay clean, it has to happen. I had a suspicious reverse shill expose my reserve, so I am making a report (Administrative Cancel). The FBI is cracking down (at least as I understand it). Cyber crime of shills is very catchable in the long run. Since you provided email addresses and IP;s in using the site, reverse lookups of public infomation can track down networks of shills. Shilling requires a naive seller or bidder. Report the suspected crime not just to ebay. Keep ebay informed if you plan to report suspicious activity. Shilling on ebay may be somewaht common, but it's a stupid crime. You'd have to do enough to make it worth while, and then your activity is noticed by the fraud investigation systems for targeting. If you are a criminal - stop, If you are thinking about doing it - don't. There are ways to catch you that even a ordinary computer person like me knows. Besides remember even the police buy and sell on ebay. 1 in 99 sellers is likely in Law Enforcement, legal (attorney), a security or in some type of justice role. I am not, but do I really want to take a chance??? I have used Intellius for one background check in another area (not ebay), it costs but was worth it. How do they know who you are shilling with... Google links and social networking, is just the start. Vigilant reporting is key, and not just to ebay.... rat ******* |
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How to report shill bidders to the FBI
On 8/4/2010 5:58 PM, Lumpy wrote:
Ignoramus30382 wrote: 1-800-CALLFBI This totally silly, to be devoting so much time on such a nonsensical topic as shill bidding. Did you guys see the color of Chelsea's gown? And how 'bout Bristol and Levi. They're on and off more than Frank and Brickie. Lumpy In Your Ears for Fifty Years! www.LumpyMusic.com What do you get when you cross a crooked politician with a shyster lawyer? Chelsea. -- Many thanks, Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073 Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com |
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How to report shill bidders to the FBI
On 8/4/2010 8:14 PM, Lumpy wrote:
oly wrote: Waddl'ya give me for a 71 Levi? Lumpy In Your Ears for Fifty Years! www.LumpyMusic.com With or without the steel belted radials? -- Many thanks, Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073 Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com |
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