Why not just answer questions here?

"bowcan" wrote in message
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Hi everyone,

Not trolling, just curious since I frequent FPN & have no compliants
against it.

(Just prefer to have more than one source of information & a.c.p-p is
easier sometimes.)

But I've noticed a trend here.

Someone posts a question & reply comes back:

"Dear So&So. Why not head over to FPN? They can answer all your
questions."

The advice is no doubt well meant, but (as header implies) why not just
answer the questions *here* rather than *there*!

A matter of convenience & some of us dinosaurs still like Use-Net format
where we can easily see 'trees' and topics don't tend to get "lost in the
shuffle" as can sometimes happen on busy html bordz.

thx!

--Bruce a.k.a 'Penseé' at FPN

They encourage others to go to FPN as soon as they can because they don't
have any real interest in this community and want to ensure that a.c.p-p
dies completely.

--
~~Bluesea~~
Spam is great in musubi, but not in email.
Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply.

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"Bluesea" wrote:

"bowcan" wrote in message
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Hi everyone,

Not trolling, just curious since I frequent FPN & have no compliants
against it.

(Just prefer to have more than one source of information & a.c.p-p is
easier sometimes.)

But I've noticed a trend here.

Someone posts a question & reply comes back:

"Dear So&So. Why not head over to FPN? They can answer all your
questions."

The advice is no doubt well meant, but (as header implies) why not just
answer the questions *here* rather than *there*!

A matter of convenience & some of us dinosaurs still like Use-Net format
where we can easily see 'trees' and topics don't tend to get "lost in the
shuffle" as can sometimes happen on busy html bordz.

thx!

--Bruce a.k.a 'Penseé' at FPN

They encourage others to go to FPN as soon as they can because they don't
have any real interest in this community and want to ensure that a.c.p-p
dies completely.

FPN has ads; Usenet users try to rip people who post ads a new one.

Is this guy promo'ing the FPN coming close to spamming? It's all
essentially a pointer to a URL.

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"l, not -l" wrote:

These are my opinions and I reroute questions from here as a public service.
You don't have to agree with my opionion, you are certainly entitled to
yours. I'll continue to do what I do

Anyone using Usenet these days has made a decision to do so -- it's not
the default net communication protocol (Google and web forums that show
up on Google searches are). I know about the FPN, I think I have an
account there and I know I've posted there. I find web forums tedious
compared to Usenet. If I have multiple interests, I have to subscribe
to multiple forums, and log in, search, etc. With Usenet, I sub
whatever groups interest me, log on once and read threaded replies and
can filter replies from people who I've decided not to read much more
easily than on a web forum. And since it's text only, it's faster than
a web forum.

I doubt seriously that anyone posting here doesn't know about FPN since
new users and most of the rest of us are going to Google for information
about things we're not that familiar with. That will get you, depending
on your interests, fairly quickly to Photo.net, the FPN, various
falconry forums, and technical discussion forums, and probably some
social groups similar to alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk. Usenet is
less time-consuming, less graphics heavy, and gives multiple interests
for one log-on.

My guess is that anyone posting here knows already about FPN and has
made a deliberate choice to stick with Usenet or use Usenet to
supplement FPN. Group search isn't the default with Google.

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"l, not -l" wrote:

On 21-Mar-2009, Rebecca Ore wrote:

FPN has ads; Usenet users try to rip people who post ads a new one.

What ads? The only ads I have seen on FPN are in the Classifieds and Market
Watch forum; the rest of the forums are ad free. If one wants to avoid ads,
it would seem to be obvious to avoid a forum with "Classifieds" in the name.

All web forums look alike to me.

Okay, so do us a favor and don't just post that FPN has the answers.

Rebecca Ore wrote:

Okay, so do us a favor and don't just post that FPN has the answers.


Hmmm, how would it be if every question at FPN was answered with a
redirect to this newsgroup? As a public service......

That would just be wrong.

John

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"l, not -l" wrote:

On 21-Mar-2009, The Visitor wrote:

Hmmm, how would it be if every question at FPN was answered with a
redirect to this newsgroup? As a public service......

That would just be wrong.

John

You are correct; that would be wrong - it would be a disservice to direct
them to a moribund venue with a lesser pool of expertise.

So, why don't you stop worrying about people who know how to Google and
chose here anyway?

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"l, not -l" wrote:

On 21-Mar-2009, Rebecca Ore wrote:

All web forums look alike to me.

Okay, so do us a favor and don't just post that FPN has the answers.

Instead, how about I continue to suggest FPN and you quit bitching about it.

Why don't I try adding alt.flame or alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk
to the crosspost?

Do you actually have something against FPN, and are in reality, trying
to make FPN look bad?? Are you fpnmailinator guy??

Else, why do you bother.

l, not -l wrote:
On 21-Mar-2009, The Visitor wrote:


Hmmm, how would it be if every question at FPN was answered with a
redirect to this newsgroup? As a public service......

That would just be wrong.

John


You are correct; that would be wrong - it would be a disservice to direct
them to a moribund venue with a lesser pool of expertise.

"The Visitor" wrote in message
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Do you actually have something against FPN, and are in reality, trying to
make FPN look bad?? Are you fpnmailinator guy??

Else, why do you bother.


I was wondering that too! Bet it's the same person & he's angry he didn't
get a warmer reception when he made his 'advisory', so now he's a man on a
mission-- tell everyone to avoid this "moribund backwater with a lesser pool
of experience" or whatever.

Personally I think he's actually helping a.c.p.p in his own way. I like fpn
well enough-- most everyone there is nice & some are hilarious they way they
joke with one another-- the 'old timers' I call them. (I've only been there
since October '08 so I'm still a rookie.)

l, not -l wrote:
On 21-Mar-2009, The Visitor wrote:


Hmmm, how would it be if every question at FPN was answered with a
redirect to this newsgroup? As a public service......

That would just be wrong.

John


You are correct; that would be wrong - it would be a disservice to direct
them to a moribund venue with a lesser pool of expertise.

Seems to me you just had an axe to grind (I mean nib D'oh!) with Griz & now
you're maybe you're miffed because the regulars here didn't exactly greet
your advisory with open arms?

I'd be disappointed too if I thought I was doing the right thing & really
did think he might be a crook, but I mean why take it out on everyone else?
Did you try taking it up with Admin at fpn?

--Bruce

"Rebecca Ore" wrote in message
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"l, not -l" wrote:

On 21-Mar-2009, Rebecca Ore wrote:

All web forums look alike to me.

Okay, so do us a favor and don't just post that FPN has the answers.

Instead, how about I continue to suggest FPN and you quit bitching about
it.

Getting a little grouchy? Remember your own words about not changing minds
& how these things usually start to devolve into "****ing contests" I
believe you called them.


Why don't I try adding alt.flame or alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk
to the crosspost?

Hi Rebecca,

Sorry for tagging onto your post, but yours was last one & thought the
following might be of interest.

I got curious when I thought I saw an actual *increase* in activity-- not
the decrease as our man appears to desire.
Having a background in research & statistics, I did a little data comparison
& so here is...

(Sorry if it's a bit long)

Hypothesis: Our FPN enthusiast has helped the very group he wants to harm as
demonstrated by significant increases in the number of topics & replies
compared to the same two months one year ago.
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Data: (I didn't count "spam" or off topic posts-- e.g. 'the MI-5guy',
mistaken posts to incorrect groups, etc.)
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February 2008:
Number of topics: 13
Number of topics + replies: 24

March 2008:
Number of topics 6
Number of topics + replies: 14

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Average number of topics (February - March 2008): 9.5
Average number of topics & replies (February - March 2008): 19
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February 2009:
Number of topics: 10
Number of topics + replies: 110

March 1 - March 22, 2009:
Number of topics: 12
Number of topics + replies: 71

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Average number of topics (February - March 22, 2009): 11
Average number of topics & replies (February - March 22, 2009: 90.5
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Increase in topics (2008 compared to 2009): approx. 14%.
Increase in topics + replies (2008 compared to 2009): approx. 80%.
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So the change in number of topics wasn't statistically significant.
But the number of "topics + replies" showed *robust* evidence of significant
increase.

Caveat: to be fair & objective I should mention that, Descriptive Statistics
cannot 'prove' causal relationships. (Ratio data & Inferential Statistics
must be used.) Therefore one cannot say who or what caused the huge
increase, only that it exists.

I leave it to readers to form their own conclusions.

thx

--Bruce

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References:

Google Groups Search: Alt.Collecting.Pens-Pencils. Retrieved March 22, 2009
from
http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...g.pens-pencils.

Gay, R., Airasian, P. (2003) Educational Research Competencies for Analysis
and Applications 7th Edition. Merrill Prentice Hall. New Jersey.