Rutherford Institute Urges Stringent Health and Safety Regulations for Abortion Clinics

"Spender" wrote in message
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On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 16:32:20 -0500, Rob Par wrote:

The accepted definition of murder is the unlawful taking of a human
life. Therefore executions by the state is not murder.

So the holocaust was not murder?

Maybe not according to German law at the time, but it was according to both
international law and the laws of the vast majority of civilized states.

"Spender" wrote in message
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The states files murder charges, you idiot.

Precisely!!

Given that obvious fact, abortion CANNOT be murder since abortion is legal
and no state could possibly file murder charges for an abortion in view of
the law.

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"W.T.S." wrote:

True. And pro-liars will fight tooth and nail to prevent one cent being
spent on a child after birth, not even for one square inch of additional
school space or one cent for health care, not a penny for unemployment
or welfare. But, they'll spend a fortune on new prisons. Strange,
isn't it?



Nicely said.

Tony

"Spender" wrote in message
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On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 16:32:20 -0500, Rob Par wrote:

The accepted definition of murder is the unlawful taking of a human
life. Therefore executions by the state is not murder.

So the holocaust was not murder?


The holocaust was not executions by the state, it was a mass slaughter by an
extremist regime headed by a mad individual.
Apples and oranges.

Spender wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:

Another pro-liar who thinks he can get away with lying to people.

Yeah, just scream "Lies!" like a religious nut screams "Blasphemy!"

You lied. I call you a liar.

It's very simple.

--
Ray Fischer

Spender wrote:
On Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:56:39 +1000, "The art of critical thinking"
wrote:

Consider this also (this is mainly for those specifically demanding that
abortion is murder).

If a girl decides to abort her fetus, who's going to press the charges of
murder against the doctor?
Technically only the girl or her partner can (if he's still around) because
they conceived it.

The states files murder charges, you idiot.

The states say that a fetus is not a person.

--
Ray Fischer

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Rob Par wrote:

All laws are local to a jurisdiction, and can only be prosecuted in
the jurisdiction, where the offence occurred. Every thing illegal is
not necessarily bad, every thing legal is not necessarily good. There
are bad laws, and good laws.


There is such a thing as international law.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_against_humanity


Crimes against humanity, as defined by the Rome Statute of the
International Criminal Court Explanatory Memorandum, "are particularly
odious offences in that they constitute a serious attack on human
dignity or grave humiliation or a degradation of one or more human
beings. They are not isolated or sporadic events, but are part either of
a government policy (although the perpetrators need not identify
themselves with this policy) or of a wide practice of atrocities
tolerated or condoned by a government or a de facto authority. Murder;
extermination; torture; rape, political, racial, or religious
persecution and other inhumane acts reach the threshold of crimes
against humanity only if they are part of a widespread or systematic
practice. Isolated inhumane acts of this nature may constitute grave
infringements of human rights, or depending on the circumstances, war
crimes, but may fall short of falling into the category of crimes under
discussion."

On May 24, 1915, the Allies of World War I- Britain, France, and Russia
- jointly issued a statement explicitly charging, for the first time
ever, another government of committing "a crime against humanity". The
following joint statement was made to protest the Armenian Genocide:
In view of these new crimes of Turkey against humanity and civilization,
the Allied Governments announce publicly to the Sublime Porte that they
will hold personally responsible for these crimes all members of the
Ottoman Government, as well as those of their agents who are implicated
in such massacres.

The London Charter of the International Military Tribunal was the decree
that set down the laws and procedures by which the post-World War II
Nuremberg trials were to be conducted. The charter defined that only
crimes of the European Axis Powers could be tried. Article 6 stated that
the Tribunal was established for the trial and punishment of the major
war criminals of the European Axis countries; paragraph 6.a defined
crimes against peace, 6.b war crimes and paragraph 6.c, Crimes Against
Humanity defined as "Murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation,
and other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population,
before or during the war, or persecutions on political, racial or
religious grounds in execution of or in connection with any crime within
the jurisdiction of the Tribunal, whether or not in violation of the
domestic law of the country where perpetrated".

Spender wrote:
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Abortion in America is not about population control. It is about
convenience.

Define "convenience".

Rob Par wrote:
Spender wrote:
Rob Par wrote:

The accepted definition of murder is the unlawful taking of a human
life. Therefore executions by the state is not murder.

So the holocaust was not murder?

That is correct. War crimes yes Murder no.

Actually, the Holocaust *was* murder. What the Nazis did to the Jews
(and the gays, gypsies, communists, etc) was illegal. That's why
their documents are full of vague phrases like "special handling" and
"final solution". When the Nazis were tried for their crimes, they
were convicted under existing German law.

"RichL" wrote:
"Spender" wrote...
Rob Par wrote:

The accepted definition of murder is the unlawful taking of a human
life. Therefore executions by the state is not murder.

So the holocaust was not murder?

Maybe not according to German law at the time, but it was according to both
international law and the laws of the vast majority of civilized states.

Sorry for repeating myself, but I have to correct this error again.
The Nazis *never* changed criminal law to remove protection from the
Jews against murder. What they did to the Jews was illegal under
German law, which is why they took such pains to hide what they were
doing from German citizens, and why the prosecutors at the Nuremberg
Trials were able to get convictions of Nazi murderers under existing
German law.