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Can anyone explain the phenomenon where Stanley Gibbons (in their "Simplified
Stamps of the World" {5 Volume edition}) list definitives with the numbers jumping about all over the place. To take an arbitrary example: Iran starting SG1255 lists the series from from 5d to 50r as: 1255 1256 1257 1336 1337 1338 1339 1340 1341 1342 1365a 1366a 1345 1346 This is not the most extreme example I can find. I can see why there may be gaps in the series, presumably for some numbered variation not listed in the "simplified" catalogue, but why do they intersperse much higher numbers into the sequence? It really is rather poor that they do not include a page or two of explanations for the numbering scheme used. Does anyone know a book or web site that discusses such issues? |
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You too.
I asked this question a while back, it's because some values are issued after the others and some are varieties and not "simple" would help if, as you say, they put something in their catalogue..... tt |
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Peter wrote: Can anyone explain the phenomenon where Stanley Gibbons (in their "Simplified Stamps of the World" {5 Volume edition}) list definitives with the numbers jumping about all over the place. To take an arbitrary example: Iran starting SG1255 lists the series from from 5d to 50r as: 1255 1256 1257 1336 1337 1338 1339 1340 1341 1342 1365a 1366a 1345 1346 This is not the most extreme example I can find. I can see why there may be gaps in the series, presumably for some numbered variation not listed in the "simplified" catalogue, but why do they intersperse much higher numbers into the sequence? It is because Simplified frequently combines several sets with the same design into one. Looking at the more detailed Part 16 for your example, there are actually 3 sets: 1255-1268, consecutive with some -as and -bs for different perfs, 1962 1333-1346, consecutive, with a few -as, 1964-5, and 1413 of 1965 The three sets have different watermarks. It really is rather poor that they do not include a page or two of explanations for the numbering scheme used. IIRC, somewhere at the beginning of Simplified, they explain that in such cases they show the cheapest stamps. As our noble friend says, long-running definitive sets are a catalogue-maker's headache. Sometimes you will see SG explain that a break in the numbering has been inserted in the expectation of more values in the set. But sometimes they get Murphied and have to insert as and bs. Not to put too fine a point on it, "you gets what you pay for". Simplified is well, simplified, and for serious collecting you really need the more specialised cats which used to come in 22 Parts covering different regions. Now they're doing cats for individual countries, and it's a lot more expensive. The good news is that you can get the old Parts on eBay reasonably cheaply (though I notice they don't come for auction so often as they used to). Even an old Part n will give you most of the varieties as they occur in early issues. Simplified will still be reasonably good for newer issues with fewer varieties. Chris |
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Sir F. A. Rien wrote:
You'll find this in Scutt, Sg, Michel and most others - just a fact of lack of cooperation from the PO officials. Scutt??? Bill |
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Put it on eBay and seel it for 5x its original value!
Peter wrote: Can anyone explain the phenomenon where Stanley Gibbons (in their "Simplified Stamps of the World" {5 Volume edition}) list definitives with the numbers jumping about all over the place. To take an arbitrary example: Iran starting SG1255 lists the series from from 5d to 50r as: 1255 1256 1257 1336 1337 1338 1339 1340 1341 1342 1365a 1366a 1345 1346 This is not the most extreme example I can find. I can see why there may be gaps in the series, presumably for some numbered variation not listed in the "simplified" catalogue, but why do they intersperse much higher numbers into the sequence? It really is rather poor that they do not include a page or two of explanations for the numbering scheme used. Does anyone know a book or web site that discusses such issues? |
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I am quite worried by the new one country Gibbons phenomenon.
My local city public library has a set of the 22 part catalogue. However I fear that the increased cost which will inevitably follow the further parts necessary for future editions will prohibit the stocking of the full set. I currently set aside one Saturday morning per month for an expedition to the library with a stock book full of stamps not listed in my ancient catalogues and a voluminous notebook! Keeps me out of the wife's hair. Malcolm Tony Clayton wrote: In a recent message wrote: Peter wrote: Can anyone explain the phenomenon where Stanley Gibbons (in their "Simplified Stamps of the World" {5 Volume edition}) list definitives with the numbers jumping about all over the place. To take an arbitrary example: Iran starting SG1255 lists the series from from 5d to 50r as: 1255 1256 1257 1336 1337 1338 1339 1340 1341 1342 1365a 1366a 1345 1346 This is not the most extreme example I can find. I can see why there may be gaps in the series, presumably for some numbered variation not listed in the "simplified" catalogue, but why do they intersperse much higher numbers into the sequence? It is because Simplified frequently combines several sets with the same design into one. Looking at the more detailed Part 16 for your example, there are actually 3 sets: 1255-1268, consecutive with some -as and -bs for different perfs, 1962 1333-1346, consecutive, with a few -as, 1964-5, and 1413 of 1965 The three sets have different watermarks. It really is rather poor that they do not include a page or two of explanations for the numbering scheme used. IIRC, somewhere at the beginning of Simplified, they explain that in such cases they show the cheapest stamps. As our noble friend says, long-running definitive sets are a catalogue-maker's headache. Sometimes you will see SG explain that a break in the numbering has been inserted in the expectation of more values in the set. But sometimes they get Murphied and have to insert as and bs. Not to put too fine a point on it, "you gets what you pay for". Simplified is well, simplified, and for serious collecting you really need the more specialised cats which used to come in 22 Parts covering different regions. Now they're doing cats for individual countries, and it's a lot more expensive. The good news is that you can get the old Parts on eBay reasonably cheaply (though I notice they don't come for auction so often as they used to). Even an old Part n will give you most of the varieties as they occur in early issues. Simplified will still be reasonably good for newer issues with fewer varieties. The problem is that some countries have had a major renumbering, certainly since my old European catalogue dated 1970, which remains useful for sorting those countries where I do not have a more recent version. Austria and France have both 'suffered' in this way. -- Tony Clayton Coins of the UK : http://www.coinsoftheuk.info Sent using RISCOS on an Acorn Strong Arm RiscPC ... Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? |
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On 17 Oct 2006 05:49:26 -0700, "malcolm"
wrote: I am quite worried by the new one country Gibbons phenomenon. My local city public library has a set of the 22 part catalogue. However I fear that the increased cost which will inevitably follow the further parts necessary for future editions will prohibit the stocking of the full set. I currently set aside one Saturday morning per month for an expedition to the library with a stock book full of stamps not listed in my ancient catalogues and a voluminous notebook! Keeps me out of the wife's hair. Now that's RESEARCH! Tony Clayton wrote: In a recent message wrote: Peter wrote: Can anyone explain the phenomenon where Stanley Gibbons (in their "Simplified Stamps of the World" {5 Volume edition}) list definitives with the numbers jumping about all over the place. To take an arbitrary example: Iran starting SG1255 lists the series from from 5d to 50r as: 1255 1256 1257 1336 1337 1338 1339 1340 1341 1342 1365a 1366a 1345 1346 This is not the most extreme example I can find. I can see why there may be gaps in the series, presumably for some numbered variation not listed in the "simplified" catalogue, but why do they intersperse much higher numbers into the sequence? It is because Simplified frequently combines several sets with the same design into one. Looking at the more detailed Part 16 for your example, there are actually 3 sets: 1255-1268, consecutive with some -as and -bs for different perfs, 1962 1333-1346, consecutive, with a few -as, 1964-5, and 1413 of 1965 The three sets have different watermarks. It really is rather poor that they do not include a page or two of explanations for the numbering scheme used. IIRC, somewhere at the beginning of Simplified, they explain that in such cases they show the cheapest stamps. As our noble friend says, long-running definitive sets are a catalogue-maker's headache. Sometimes you will see SG explain that a break in the numbering has been inserted in the expectation of more values in the set. But sometimes they get Murphied and have to insert as and bs. Not to put too fine a point on it, "you gets what you pay for". Simplified is well, simplified, and for serious collecting you really need the more specialised cats which used to come in 22 Parts covering different regions. Now they're doing cats for individual countries, and it's a lot more expensive. The good news is that you can get the old Parts on eBay reasonably cheaply (though I notice they don't come for auction so often as they used to). Even an old Part n will give you most of the varieties as they occur in early issues. Simplified will still be reasonably good for newer issues with fewer varieties. The problem is that some countries have had a major renumbering, certainly since my old European catalogue dated 1970, which remains useful for sorting those countries where I do not have a more recent version. Austria and France have both 'suffered' in this way. -- Tony Clayton Coins of the UK : http://www.coinsoftheuk.info Sent using RISCOS on an Acorn Strong Arm RiscPC ... Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? |
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