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Straits Settlements Mule error
Hi I have recently acquired a group of malaysian coins, one of which is a 1899 20 cents piece of the straits settlement. The date as I said is 1899, but the obverse is of Edward VII (1901-1910). I have checked the edge of the coin and there is no seam, where two coins could have been joined. I have weighed the coin, and the weight is 4.09g, where as a 1899 Victoria version I have is 4.28g. The coin itself, I would say would grade About Fine. I have checked in Krause, and on the web with Error coin sites, to no avail. Has anybody in the group come across this type of error before? or would know of a site that I could check? Thanks in advance Pete |
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"Peter Smith" wrote in message ... Hi I have recently acquired a group of malaysian coins, one of which is a 1899 20 cents piece of the straits settlement. The date as I said is 1899, but the obverse is of Edward VII (1901-1910). I have checked the edge of the coin and there is no seam, where two coins could have been joined. I have weighed the coin, and the weight is 4.09g, where as a 1899 Victoria version I have is 4.28g. The coin itself, I would say would grade About Fine. I have checked in Krause, and on the web with Error coin sites, to no avail. Has anybody in the group come across this type of error before? or would know of a site that I could check? It's extremely unlikely that you have an unlisted "discovery coin." After all, it's been around over a hundred years! Check around the date area carefully with a 10X loupe and you may find evidence of alteration. Also check the rims (you've already checked the edge, you said) to see if one coin has been hollowed out and another turned down to fit inside the hollow. This has been done countless times to produce magician's coins and other curiosities. Meanwhile, don't give up your day job. James |
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:19:30 -0500, "Mr. Jaggers"
lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: "Peter Smith" wrote in message .. . Hi I have recently acquired a group of malaysian coins, one of which is a 1899 20 cents piece of the straits settlement. The date as I said is 1899, but the obverse is of Edward VII (1901-1910). I have checked the edge of the coin and there is no seam, where two coins could have been joined. I have weighed the coin, and the weight is 4.09g, where as a 1899 Victoria version I have is 4.28g. The coin itself, I would say would grade About Fine. I have checked in Krause, and on the web with Error coin sites, to no avail. Has anybody in the group come across this type of error before? or would know of a site that I could check? It's extremely unlikely that you have an unlisted "discovery coin." After all, it's been around over a hundred years! Check around the date area carefully with a 10X loupe and you may find evidence of alteration. Also check the rims (you've already checked the edge, you said) to see if one coin has been hollowed out and another turned down to fit inside the hollow. This has been done countless times to produce magician's coins and other curiosities. Meanwhile, don't give up your day job. James Hi Again I have got my 10x Loupe, I have checked the rims, and their is no evidence of hollowing. I then checked the date for any alteration. I thought there was, but I then checked the date with examples of correct 1899 Victoria 20 cents piece. The 8, seemed a bit blundered, but so were the 8's on the correct pieces, and the second 9 seemed a bit blundered as well, but considering that these coins were also issued in 1909, I would have thought that the first 9 would have been altered. I think this might require a trip to a museum :-) Thanks Pete |
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On Jun 26, 4:01?pm, Peter Smith wrote:
Hi I have recently acquired a group of malaysian coins, one of which is a 1899 20 cents piece of the straits settlement. The date as I said is 1899, but the obverse is of Edward VII (1901-1910). I have checked the edge of the coin and there is no seam, where two coins could have been joined. I have weighed the coin, and the weight is 4.09g, where as a 1899 Victoria version I have is 4.28g. The coin itself, I would say would grade About Fine. I have checked in Krause, and on the web with Error coin sites, to no avail. Has anybody in the group come across this type of error before? or would know of a site that I could check? Thanks in advance Pete Many Straits Settlements coins were counterfeited "many years" prior to 1971, i.e., for circulation; see Remick, James, Dowle, and Finn, The Guidebook & Catalogue Of British Commonwealth Coins, 1649-1971, 3rd ed., pp. 530-31. This particular coin is not mentioned, but a 50c silver is known with the portrait of Victoria on both sides. Counterfeits of the 20c dated 1888 (crude) and 1919 (poor lettering on obverse) are known. Bob Leonard |
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"Bob" wrote in message ups.com... On Jun 26, 4:01?pm, Peter Smith wrote: Hi I have recently acquired a group of malaysian coins, one of which is a 1899 20 cents piece of the straits settlement. The date as I said is 1899, but the obverse is of Edward VII (1901-1910). I have checked the edge of the coin and there is no seam, where two coins could have been joined. I have weighed the coin, and the weight is 4.09g, where as a 1899 Victoria version I have is 4.28g. The coin itself, I would say would grade About Fine. I have checked in Krause, and on the web with Error coin sites, to no avail. Has anybody in the group come across this type of error before? or would know of a site that I could check? Thanks in advance Pete Many Straits Settlements coins were counterfeited "many years" prior to 1971, i.e., for circulation; see Remick, James, Dowle, and Finn, The Guidebook & Catalogue Of British Commonwealth Coins, 1649-1971, 3rd ed., pp. 530-31. This particular coin is not mentioned, but a 50c silver is known with the portrait of Victoria on both sides. Counterfeits of the 20c dated 1888 (crude) and 1919 (poor lettering on obverse) are known. I'd say the weight discrepancy clearly points to something like that. James |
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