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how much iron in fountain pen blue-blacks?
Anybody have an idea on how much "gall" is in diamine registrar
ink, monte blanc's blue-black, lamy blue-black (bottle), or R&K gall ink? I'm just curious in fairly general terms as to how much "gall" does the job in these inks. Guesses in ppm or any other unit are welcome. matthew |
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how much iron in fountain pen blue-blacks?
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MatthewK wrote: Anybody have an idea on how much "gall" is in diamine registrar ink, monte blanc's blue-black, lamy blue-black (bottle), or R&K gall ink? I'm just curious in fairly general terms as to how much "gall" does the job in these inks. Guesses in ppm or any other unit are welcome. I am curious about this as well, but I tend to think that it might be a little difficult since I would expect that information to be held private by the makers of the ink. Of course, I could be very wrong here, so if someone happens to know, I'm all ears. Aaron Hsu -- +++++++++++++++ ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) +++++++++++++++ Email: | WWW: http://www.sacrideo.us Scheme Programming is subtle; subtlety can be hard. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++ |
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how much iron in fountain pen blue-blacks?
On 2008-07-18, Aaron W. Hsu wrote:
In article , MatthewK wrote: Anybody have an idea on how much "gall" is in diamine registrar ink, monte blanc's blue-black, lamy blue-black (bottle), or R&K gall ink? I'm just curious in fairly general terms as to how much "gall" does the job in these inks. Guesses in ppm or any other unit are welcome. I am curious about this as well, but I tend to think that it might be a little difficult since I would expect that information to be held private by the makers of the ink. Of course, I could be very wrong here, so if someone happens to know, I'm all ears. Same here actually...I've been thinking of ways to experiment with this. Maybe making a gallic ink and adding some mL by mL to a bottle of dye and test the ink to see how little does the job. The whole scenario is a nerdy mess matthew |
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how much iron in fountain pen blue-blacks?
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MatthewK wrote: On 2008-07-18, Aaron W. Hsu wrote: In article , MatthewK wrote: Anybody have an idea on how much "gall" is in diamine registrar ink, monte blanc's blue-black, lamy blue-black (bottle), or R&K gall ink? I'm just curious in fairly general terms as to how much "gall" does the job in these inks. Guesses in ppm or any other unit are welcome. I am curious about this as well, but I tend to think that it might be a little difficult since I would expect that information to be held private by the makers of the ink. Of course, I could be very wrong here, so if someone happens to know, I'm all ears. Same here actually...I've been thinking of ways to experiment with this. Maybe making a gallic ink and adding some mL by mL to a bottle of dye and test the ink to see how little does the job. The whole scenario is a nerdy mess I can't imagine that there is that much gall in something like MontBlanc's Blue Black. The reason I mention this is because Mont Blanc's are known from what I can tell for writing a little on the dry side. Thus, if Mont Blanc actually issued out an ink as common as Blue Black that had a lot of heavy deposits like gall in it, the amount of repairs they would have to deal with would go up. I'm sure they have to keep the ink thin. Aaron -- +++++++++++++++ ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) +++++++++++++++ Email: | WWW: http://www.sacrideo.us Scheme Programming is subtle; subtlety can be hard. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++ |
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how much iron in fountain pen blue-blacks?
"Aaron W. Hsu" wrote in message ... In article , MatthewK wrote: On 2008-07-18, Aaron W. Hsu wrote: In article , MatthewK wrote: Anybody have an idea on how much "gall" is in diamine registrar ink, monte blanc's blue-black, lamy blue-black (bottle), or R&K gall ink? I'm just curious in fairly general terms as to how much "gall" does the job in these inks. Guesses in ppm or any other unit are welcome. I am curious about this as well, but I tend to think that it might be a little difficult since I would expect that information to be held private by the makers of the ink. Of course, I could be very wrong here, so if someone happens to know, I'm all ears. Same here actually...I've been thinking of ways to experiment with this. Maybe making a gallic ink and adding some mL by mL to a bottle of dye and test the ink to see how little does the job. The whole scenario is a nerdy mess I can't imagine that there is that much gall in something like MontBlanc's Blue Black. The reason I mention this is because Mont Blanc's are known from what I can tell for writing a little on the dry side. Thus, if Mont Blanc actually issued out an ink as common as Blue Black that had a lot of heavy deposits like gall in it, the amount of repairs they would have to deal with would go up. I'm sure they have to keep the ink thin. That's what I thought from what I read and from the black and turquoise inks I bought. I was surprised to find the MB Royal Blue, Violet, and Racing Green to be nice and slick. I don't consider Sepia to be dry, either, although it isn't like the others. As for Blue-black, the instructions say: "Important note: it is particularly important to clean the fountain pen regularly if permanent ink (blue-black) is used, as the high solids content of the ink can lead to deposits forming in the feed system." -- ~~Bluesea~~ Spam is great in musubi, but not in email. Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply. |
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how much iron in fountain pen blue-blacks?
On 2008-07-19, Bluesea wrote:
As for Blue-black, the instructions say: "Important note: it is particularly important to clean the fountain pen regularly if permanent ink (blue-black) is used, as the high solids content of the ink can lead to deposits forming in the feed system." It was Frank dubiels opinion that the amount of gall in these blue-black inks was very small and I think he was right on here. So I think we are looking at very small amounts...I need to look at my chem books and see if one can estimate solution contents by ph values. How much gall ink would it take to make water x ph? Not sure if that would give meaningful results or not. If not than it is adding mL to dyed water to figure out molarityi of gal/best reaction. When the gall reacts with oxygen it makes iron particles and that is where the warning to clean pens comes from when using MB ink. It is a solution until the ink reacts with oxygen and turns the gall black. One of the ways of reducing this reaction in the ink is to make it acidic. matthew |
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how much iron in fountain pen blue-blacks?
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Bluesea wrote: "Aaron W. Hsu" wrote in message m... In article , MatthewK wrote: On 2008-07-18, Aaron W. Hsu wrote: In article , MatthewK wrote: Anybody have an idea on how much "gall" is in diamine registrar ink, monte blanc's blue-black, lamy blue-black (bottle), or R&K gall ink? I'm just curious in fairly general terms as to how much "gall" does the job in these inks. Guesses in ppm or any other unit are welcome. I am curious about this as well, but I tend to think that it might be a little difficult since I would expect that information to be held private by the makers of the ink. Of course, I could be very wrong here, so if someone happens to know, I'm all ears. Same here actually...I've been thinking of ways to experiment with this. Maybe making a gallic ink and adding some mL by mL to a bottle of dye and test the ink to see how little does the job. The whole scenario is a nerdy mess I can't imagine that there is that much gall in something like MontBlanc's Blue Black. The reason I mention this is because Mont Blanc's are known from what I can tell for writing a little on the dry side. Thus, if Mont Blanc actually issued out an ink as common as Blue Black that had a lot of heavy deposits like gall in it, the amount of repairs they would have to deal with would go up. I'm sure they have to keep the ink thin. That's what I thought from what I read and from the black and turquoise inks I bought. I was surprised to find the MB Royal Blue, Violet, and Racing Green to be nice and slick. I don't consider Sepia to be dry, either, although it isn't like the others. I think I started with the Sepia ink in the Meisterstuck, and compared to the black Waterman that I was using in a Waterman pen before, Sepia was pretty dry. It wasn't unpleasant, to be sure, but it was definitely drier. I thought at first that this was due to the Extra Fine nib I was using. However, when I started to use the Blue Black, it became apparent how much drier the Sepia was comparitively. Granted, it's very useable nonetheless. Then again, I noticed the difference the most on long writing sessions or on paper that is very fine (and hence not prone to rapid ink absorption) such as 100% Cotton Crane paper. This paper takes the Blue Black much more steadily than the Sepia, thought neither is a "bad" writer on that paper by any means. As for Blue-black, the instructions say: "Important note: it is particularly important to clean the fountain pen regularly if permanent ink (blue-black) is used, as the high solids content of the ink can lead to deposits forming in the feed system." Yes, but in addition to that, they recommend cleaning maybe once every month or three months, which is about twice as often as they normally recommend IIRC. That's pretty rare in my book, especially considering that I usually clean my pens at the Month mark regardless. Aaron Hsu -- +++++++++++++++ ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) +++++++++++++++ Email: | WWW: http://www.sacrideo.us Scheme Programming is subtle; subtlety can be hard. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++ |
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how much iron in fountain pen blue-blacks?
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MatthewK wrote: On 2008-07-19, Bluesea wrote: As for Blue-black, the instructions say: "Important note: it is particularly important to clean the fountain pen regularly if permanent ink (blue-black) is used, as the high solids content of the ink can lead to deposits forming in the feed system." It was Frank dubiels opinion that the amount of gall in these blue-black inks was very small and I think he was right on here. So I think we are looking at very small amounts...I need to look at my chem books and see if one can estimate solution contents by ph values. How much gall ink would it take to make water x ph? Not sure if that would give meaningful results or not. If we are going to be talking chemistry here, it should be relatively trivial to just mix together the right solution with the ink and then filter out the collected Iron particles, which should give you an idea about the contents. I know that every elementary Chem Lab does things like this in school, and Iron is certainly something that should be easy to crystalize or whatever the proper term for it is. Aaron -- +++++++++++++++ ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) +++++++++++++++ Email: | WWW: http://www.sacrideo.us Scheme Programming is subtle; subtlety can be hard. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++ |
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how much iron in fountain pen blue-blacks?
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krishnananda wrote: In article , l (Aaron W. Hsu) wrote: ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) Hmm... CL-USER 1 ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) Error: Undefined operator X in form (X X). [...] :? You presume that this is Common Lisp code. ;-) Try Scheme. Aaron -- +++++++++++++++ ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) +++++++++++++++ Email: | WWW: http://www.sacrideo.us Scheme Programming is subtle; subtlety can be hard. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++ |
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how much iron in fountain pen blue-blacks?
MatthewK writes:
Anybody have an idea on how much "gall" is in diamine registrar ink, monte blanc's blue-black, lamy blue-black (bottle), or R&K gall ink? The body of your message says "gall", but the subject is "iron"; which are you looking for? -- Don't be afraid to ask (Lf.((Lx.xx) (Lr.f(rr)))). |
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