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Cliff
why did it take so long for someone to point out this game dealers play, if thats the reason? "Cliff" wrote in message ... Eric Tillery wrote: On 26 Aug 2003 08:15:44 -0700, (Phil Barnhart) wrote: [snip] Many of these dealers were good ANA members, respected, and heavy Coin World advertisers. Not a single one of them were ethical. One well-known dealer eyed the Standing lib for several minutes, declared it an "extra-fine" and offered me $900. [snip] Now come on. I am well known for calling out dishonest dealers, and have taken a lot of flak for it. But I didn't just fall off the turnip truck, and apparently from your post and the excerpt above, you are claiming there wasn't a single dealer who was ethical and/or honest. I don't buy it, there is a lot in your story that does not add up. -- K6AZ WEB PAGES http://www.k6az.com/web_pages.htm It is well known, at least among the dealers I know, that when they know someone is playing a game with them, which this person obviously was, that they'll either low ball or just walk away. There are any number of people who have a nice coin or two and get their jollies from walking them around the floor with no intention of selling, but are just playing a game to see if they can make a dealer squirm. After a while a good dealer can spot these folks coming, just like this story where 2, probably smug looking individuals walk up and play dumb, trying to play a game with the dealer. The person in the story was lucky he wasn't just told to pound hot sand and stop wasting the dealers time. Cliff |
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Gee Keith, the people you mentioned have been fined enormous sums of money
and some are in jail. Perhaps you should explain what penalty their is for the unscrupulous coin dealer. BTW I think there are just a few bad apples in the bunch. Most are not blatantly dishonest. "Keith Fletcher" wrote in message ... This story just burns me up! We need to raise standards and should start by adopting the values, standards and practices of some of our millionaire exectuvies at some of our larger corporations, like Enron! Oh, never mind them ... Worldcom! Oh, darn ... uh ... Merril Lynch! .... Geez ... OK, OK, Arthur Andersen! Oops, uh, let's make that ... Tyco! Yes! oh, doh, uh ...Global Crosssing but they .. uh uh ... Adelphia, JP Morgan, ImClone, Duke Energy... Aw, forget it. |
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In jail? Name three please. There have been few criminal prosecutions.
Which individuals among them have had their East Hampton Houses taken away? How many have been reduced to a middle class standard of living because the money they stole from middle class people was returned to those wronged? A few months in the Mediterranean on the yacht will sure ease their bruised feelings. Sorry, but the truth is few people have gone to jail for this. And the fines were just slaps on the wrist. Heck, World Com is going to come out of bankruptcy with an unfair advantage over Sprint and others who played by the rules. This may happen as soon as September 8. --Keith "Blaine" wrote in message nk.net... Gee Keith, the people you mentioned have been fined enormous sums of money and some are in jail. Perhaps you should explain what penalty their is for the unscrupulous coin dealer. BTW I think there are just a few bad apples in the bunch. Most are not blatantly dishonest. "Keith Fletcher" wrote in message ... This story just burns me up! We need to raise standards and should start by adopting the values, standards and practices of some of our millionaire exectuvies at some of our larger corporations, like Enron! Oh, never mind them ... Worldcom! Oh, darn ... uh ... Merril Lynch! .... Geez ... OK, OK, Arthur Andersen! Oops, uh, let's make that ... Tyco! Yes! oh, doh, uh ...Global Crosssing but they .. uh uh ... Adelphia, JP Morgan, ImClone, Duke Energy... Aw, forget it. |
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Blaine wrote:
"I have little sympathies for the person, elderly or not, who unloads inherited valuables or collectibles just because he doesn't know anything about their true worth and won't take the time to find out." Wonderful attitude and great compassion you have for humanity. In my business, Bonds, that is called fraud. It is regulated at multiple levels and your coldhearted response is an attitude that would get you barred from the Bond business. Perhaps you would cheer for me if the next recently widowed old lady brought her husbands life savings in and I paid 25 cents on the dollar. Get a conscience you fool. Your asshole attitude aside, I don't know what you're talking about. Are you saying that if I inherited some bonds (excuse me, Bonds!) I would be committing fraud if I sought some advice as to their worth and how and where to liquidate them? Take a look at my original post again and try to comprehend what I said before you blast in here with your anonymous insults. You must attract a lot of customers with that attitude of yours. Bruce |
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Legality and ethics aside, dealers should want to do what is best for
the industry which means leaving consumers with a positive feeling and encouragement to pursue the hobby. In other words delivering true value. I can't see that happening without some sort of regulation. -K NO MORE REGULATIONS!!!!!!!!!! we are being regulated to death in this country. Like none of us has any brains. Best part is the hypocrits making the rules. several years ago, in NYS, our legislators wanted to make a rule against "obnoxious odors". Please. we would be fined for F**ting in public? Of course I am a female so I don't do those things. IMHO coin dealers are no more thought to be untrust worthy than any other self owned business. For some reason, the Wal Mart , etc, on the consumer level are not questioned by the consumer. I know the head dogs are always questionable, but a small business person is thought to be untrustworthy. Weird and makes no sense. Treat people the way you want to be treated. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me!! Doris "By all means marry: If you get a good wife, you'll become happy; if you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher." (Socrates) Calling ALL Australians! See http://home.iprimus.com.au/wpbalcombe/=A0 then please leave feedback re OZ DAIRY CRISIS at http://geocities.yahoo.com/gb/sign?member=3Dbalcs9 |
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Coin Saver wrote:
From: DFloyd All generalizations are always untrue. ;o) Does this mean the conspiracy has been called off? Why wasn't I informed? 8-) Coin Saver I just added my newsreader to the National "Do Not Prevaricate" list. Any posters violating this list after October 1, 2003 will be reported to the FTC, SEC, FBI, CIA, OSS, SSA, IRS, DoD, OPM, PTA, NSA, CBS, DJI and any other three letter acronyms that are handy. Thank You. Alan 'part of a larger secret with ritual greetings' |
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It's unfortunate, but stories about the unscrupulous behavior of coin dealers
are far too common and not all anecdotal. A prominent member of the PNG (since resigned), Ronald J. Gillio, was indicted last year on felony charges of trying to swindle an old man out of his valuables. Littleton runs an ad all the time about an old woman who wanted to sell a $5 note, and who took it to a series of dealers who offered her a tiny fraction of its true value (see, for example, Coinworld, 10/03, p.102, where an edited version of the story appears in their latest ad). It would be nice if all the horror stories were just that, stories, but the unpleasant reality is that there are crooks among us. Regards, Tom |
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Tom writes:
It's unfortunate, but stories about the unscrupulous behavior of coin dealers are far too common and not all anecdotal. A prominent member of the PNG (since resigned), Ronald J. Gillio, was indicted last year on felony charges of trying to swindle an old man out of his valuables. snip It would be nice if all the horror stories were just that, stories, but the unpleasant reality is that there are crooks among us. Ron Gillio has been indicted, NOT convicted. When & IF he's been convicted, THEN you may call him a crook. I will agree there are crooks among is, as that's certainly true. Too bad the coin dealers can't be honest and trustworthy like corporate executives raiding employee pension funds, like folks collecting unemployment insurance and/or disability benefits and yet are working "under the table," like the doctors and hospitals that phony up non-existent tests and other illusory medical procedures, like the dentists who collect Medicaid benefits from patients who haven't shown up for years yet are still in the records, like our wonderful politicians who always tell us the truth yet feather their own nests by collecting $140,000/yr for like after merely serving one terms, like stock brokers who churn the acc'ts of widows and the elderly putting them into high risk investments in which the brokerage house has a position, and so on. Regards, Ira Stein |
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