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Bible coin -- Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports
"Jerry Dennis" wrote in message ... On Jun 5, 12:49?pm, RF wrote: On Jun 4, 10:41?pm, "Brian Oakley" wrote: I agree Jerry. ?The ones persecuting him dont understand that he does it because he loves them and and cares about what happens to them. They have a right to what ever religion they choose, but handing out a coin with a Bible verse on it is hardly forcing them to convert. Ill be praying for this soldier. He disobeyed a standing order in a war zone. At MINIMUM he should spend some time in the stockade, where he will hopefully learn how to follow orders. Were I in command, I'd give him a dishonorable discharge and a few years (5 at least) in Ft. Leavenworth to repent. Well, well, well, Bob. You know NOTHING about military justice (or lack of it, depending on your point of view). And before you go spouting off about what I know about military justice, I'll just say I was a Navy paralegal for 21 YEARS! 1. I doubt there is a standing order about religion. I'm not saying there isn't, I just doubt there is. 2. In the Marines (and the Navy), it's called a brig, not a stockade (that's the Army). 3. Were you in command, you'd know you can't give him a Dishonorable Discharge. That is a sentence of a General Court-Martial alone, and then only for selected offenses. I stand by my original response. It's a sad day when believing in God, by whatever Name you want to call Him, is grounds to be punished. Soundes like the governments in the Muslim world, doesn't it? --------------------------------------------------- The issue here is not belief in God. The issue is proselytizing in His name to a captive audience. Would you want me, a public school teacher, talking to your kids about Jesus? James |
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Bible coin -- Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... "Jerry Dennis" wrote in message ... On Jun 5, 12:49?pm, RF wrote: On Jun 4, 10:41?pm, "Brian Oakley" wrote: I agree Jerry. ?The ones persecuting him dont understand that he does it because he loves them and and cares about what happens to them. They have a right to what ever religion they choose, but handing out a coin with a Bible verse on it is hardly forcing them to convert. Ill be praying for this soldier. He disobeyed a standing order in a war zone. At MINIMUM he should spend some time in the stockade, where he will hopefully learn how to follow orders. Were I in command, I'd give him a dishonorable discharge and a few years (5 at least) in Ft. Leavenworth to repent. Well, well, well, Bob. You know NOTHING about military justice (or lack of it, depending on your point of view). And before you go spouting off about what I know about military justice, I'll just say I was a Navy paralegal for 21 YEARS! 1. I doubt there is a standing order about religion. I'm not saying there isn't, I just doubt there is. 2. In the Marines (and the Navy), it's called a brig, not a stockade (that's the Army). 3. Were you in command, you'd know you can't give him a Dishonorable Discharge. That is a sentence of a General Court-Martial alone, and then only for selected offenses. I stand by my original response. It's a sad day when believing in God, by whatever Name you want to call Him, is grounds to be punished. Soundes like the governments in the Muslim world, doesn't it? --------------------------------------------------- The issue here is not belief in God. The issue is proselytizing in His name to a captive audience. Would you want me, a public school teacher, talking to your kids about Jesus? Especially not if you were assigned to monitoring the hallways of a non-Christian school at the time. Some people are so eager to react to any perceived slight to their personal religious beliefs that they often respond from the hip before bothering to read or understand the details of what they're responding to. |
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Bible coin -- Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports
"Bruce Remick" wrote in message ... "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... "Jerry Dennis" wrote in message ... On Jun 5, 12:49?pm, RF wrote: On Jun 4, 10:41?pm, "Brian Oakley" wrote: I agree Jerry. ?The ones persecuting him dont understand that he does it because he loves them and and cares about what happens to them. They have a right to what ever religion they choose, but handing out a coin with a Bible verse on it is hardly forcing them to convert. Ill be praying for this soldier. He disobeyed a standing order in a war zone. At MINIMUM he should spend some time in the stockade, where he will hopefully learn how to follow orders. Were I in command, I'd give him a dishonorable discharge and a few years (5 at least) in Ft. Leavenworth to repent. Well, well, well, Bob. You know NOTHING about military justice (or lack of it, depending on your point of view). And before you go spouting off about what I know about military justice, I'll just say I was a Navy paralegal for 21 YEARS! 1. I doubt there is a standing order about religion. I'm not saying there isn't, I just doubt there is. 2. In the Marines (and the Navy), it's called a brig, not a stockade (that's the Army). 3. Were you in command, you'd know you can't give him a Dishonorable Discharge. That is a sentence of a General Court-Martial alone, and then only for selected offenses. I stand by my original response. It's a sad day when believing in God, by whatever Name you want to call Him, is grounds to be punished. Soundes like the governments in the Muslim world, doesn't it? --------------------------------------------------- The issue here is not belief in God. The issue is proselytizing in His name to a captive audience. Would you want me, a public school teacher, talking to your kids about Jesus? Especially not if you were assigned to monitoring the hallways of a non-Christian school at the time. Some people are so eager to react to any perceived slight to their personal religious beliefs that they often respond from the hip before bothering to read or understand the details of what they're responding to. When one wishes the government to assist in the propping up of his faith, it is a sure sign that his faith is tenuous. The vaccine against this malady is to develop a personal faith that can stand on its own. James |
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Bible coin -- Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports
On Jun 8, 5:22*pm, Jerry Dennis wrote:
I stand by my original response. *It's a sad day when believing in God, by whatever Name you want to call Him, is grounds to be punished. *Soundes like the governments in the Muslim world, doesn't it? The marine should be handed over to Muslim authorities so they can tear him to pieces. |
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Bible coin -- Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports
"Jerry Dennis" wrote in message ... On Jun 5, 12:49?pm, RF wrote: On Jun 4, 10:41?pm, "Brian Oakley" wrote: I agree Jerry. ?The ones persecuting him dont understand that he does it because he loves them and and cares about what happens to them. They have a right to what ever religion they choose, but handing out a coin with a Bible verse on it is hardly forcing them to convert. Ill be praying for this soldier. He disobeyed a standing order in a war zone. At MINIMUM he should spend some time in the stockade, where he will hopefully learn how to follow orders. Were I in command, I'd give him a dishonorable discharge and a few years (5 at least) in Ft. Leavenworth to repent. Well, well, well, Bob. You know NOTHING about military justice (or lack of it, depending on your point of view). And before you go spouting off about what I know about military justice, I'll just say I was a Navy paralegal for 21 YEARS! 1. I doubt there is a standing order about religion. I'm not saying there isn't, I just doubt there is. 2. In the Marines (and the Navy), it's called a brig, not a stockade (that's the Army). 3. Were you in command, you'd know you can't give him a Dishonorable Discharge. That is a sentence of a General Court-Martial alone, and then only for selected offenses. I stand by my original response. It's a sad day when believing in God, by whatever Name you want to call Him, is grounds to be punished. Soundes like the governments in the Muslim world, doesn't it? Jerry |
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Bible coin -- Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports
"Jerry Dennis" wrote in message ... I stand by my original response. It's a sad day when believing in God, by whatever Name you want to call Him, is grounds to be punished. Soundes like the governments in the Muslim world, doesn't it? Come on, Jerry...he's not being punished for believing in God, and you know it. |
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Bible coin -- Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports
wrote in message ... On Jun 8, 5:22 pm, Jerry Dennis wrote: I stand by my original response. It's a sad day when believing in God, by whatever Name you want to call Him, is grounds to be punished. Soundes like the governments in the Muslim world, doesn't it? The marine should be handed over to Muslim authorities so they can tear him to pieces. Are you sure you're not "collector666"? And before noteboy gets all up in my grill, so to speak...yes, I know he's a troll. |
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Bible coin -- Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports
"Honus" wrote in message . .. "Jerry Dennis" wrote in message Hmmm. I don't know what -that- was..but I didn't write it. Whatever it wasn't. |
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Bible coin -- Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports
In article , "Honus"
wrote: "Jerry Dennis" wrote in message .. . [snip] Well, well, well, Bob. You know NOTHING about military justice (or lack of it, depending on your point of view). And before you go spouting off about what I know about military justice, I'll just say I was a Navy paralegal for 21 YEARS! 1. I doubt there is a standing order about religion. I'm not saying there isn't, I just doubt there is. CNN reports that a "coalition spokesman" sez there is ... http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/...ble/index.html # "Regulations prohibit members of the coalition force from # proselytizing any religion, faith or practices," said Col. # Bill Buckner, a coalition spokesman. "Our troops are trained # on those guidelines before they deploy." # # A military statement said "appropriate action" will be taken if the # reports are substantiated. 2. In the Marines (and the Navy), it's called a brig, not a stockade (that's the Army). 3. Were you in command, you'd know you can't give him a Dishonorable Discharge. That is a sentence of a General Court-Martial alone, and then only for selected offenses. I stand by my original response. It's a sad day when believing in God, by whatever Name you want to call Him, is grounds to be punished. Soundes like the governments in the Muslim world, doesn't it? There is a quite a difference between believing in God and proselytizing ... as far as I can tell, there is no prohibition on the former, but there is on the latter ... -- Ken Barr Numismatics P. O. Box 32541 website: http://www.kenbarr.com San Jose, CA 95152 (souvenir cards, MPC, Hickey Bros tokens) 408-272-3247 Next show: Alameda CC 06/22 (no table) |
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Bible coin -- Marine removed from duty over Bible coin reports
"Honus" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Jun 8, 5:22 pm, Jerry Dennis wrote: I stand by my original response. It's a sad day when believing in God, by whatever Name you want to call Him, is grounds to be punished. Soundes like the governments in the Muslim world, doesn't it? The marine should be handed over to Muslim authorities so they can tear him to pieces. Are you sure you're not "collector666"? And before noteboy gets all up in my grill, so to speak...yes, I know he's a troll. Well spotted. :-) Billy |
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