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Hi Could a Russian-reading member decipher the place-name on this Russian cancel and also locate this town or village? http://cjoint.com/?lrveKtTQOF an enlargement of the most legible cancel http://cjoint.com/?lrvfYuM8r6 I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card, actually) is a souvenir of the first day of Hilter's invasion of Russia June 22, 1941. Thus the importance of the location. Best regards from snow-white Quebec. Richard -- Pour répondre en perso insérer «r» devant mon nom et retrancher «/invalid» To answer directly, insert «r» in front of my name and drop «/invalid» |
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Richard Thouin wrote :
Hi Could a Russian-reading member decipher the place-name on this Russian cancel and also locate this town or village? http://cjoint.com/?lrveKtTQOF an enlargement of the most legible cancel http://cjoint.com/?lrvfYuM8r6 I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card, actually) is a souvenir of the first day of Hilter's invasion of Russia June 22, 1941. Thus the importance of the location. Best regards from snow-white Quebec. Richard Bonjour ! I make it Baranovici-BSSR : Baranovici, in Bielorussia or Belarus. -- Cordialement, Bruno |
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"Richard Thouin" /invalid wrote in message ... Hi Could a Russian-reading member decipher the place-name on this Russian cancel and also locate this town or village? http://cjoint.com/?lrveKtTQOF an enlargement of the most legible cancel http://cjoint.com/?lrvfYuM8r6 I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card, actually) is a souvenir of the first day of Hilter's invasion of Russia June 22, 1941. Thus the importance of the location. Hi Richard. The only reference I can find for Barakovici is in Serbia. Latitude 43.1308 - Longitude 20.4897 - Altitude (feet) 1679 Lat (DMS) 43° 7' 51N - Long (DMS) 20° 29' 23E - Altitude (meters) 511 Hope this is correct and helps. -- Tony Vella, Ottawa, Canada http://tv-stamps.shorturl.com |
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"bc92" wrote in message ... Richard Thouin wrote : Hi Could a Russian-reading member decipher the place-name on this Russian cancel and also locate this town or village? http://cjoint.com/?lrveKtTQOF an enlargement of the most legible cancel http://cjoint.com/?lrvfYuM8r6 I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card, actually) is a souvenir of the first day of Hilter's invasion of Russia June 22, 1941. Thus the importance of the location. Best regards from snow-white Quebec. Richard Bonjour ! I make it Baranovici-BSSR : Baranovici, in Bielorussia or Belarus. Of course! I need more coffee. Sorry about that! -- Tony Vella, Ottawa, Canada |
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"bc92" wrote: Richard Thouin wrote : Hi Could a Russian-reading member decipher the place-name on this Russian cancel and also locate this town or village? http://cjoint.com/?lrveKtTQOF an enlargement of the most legible cancel http://cjoint.com/?lrvfYuM8r6 I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card, actually) is a souvenir of the first day of Hilter's invasion of Russia June 22, 1941. Thus the importance of the location. Best regards from snow-white Quebec. Richard Bonjour ! I make it Baranovici-BSSR : Baranovici, in Bielorussia or Belarus. Merci Bruno That was fast! I understand Baranovici was occupied by the Germans on June 29, 1941. Now, why would someone want to produce a philatelic souvenir of the first day of the invasion, seven days prior to the town being occupied? Richard -- Pour répondre en perso insérer «r» devant mon nom et retrancher «/invalid» To answer directly, insert «r» in front of my name and drop «/invalid» |
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"Richard Thouin" /invalid wrote in message
... In article , "bc92" wrote: Richard Thouin wrote : Hi Could a Russian-reading member decipher the place-name on this Russian cancel and also locate this town or village? http://cjoint.com/?lrveKtTQOF an enlargement of the most legible cancel http://cjoint.com/?lrvfYuM8r6 I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card, actually) is a souvenir of the first day of Hilter's invasion of Russia June 22, 1941. Thus the importance of the location. Best regards from snow-white Quebec. Richard Bonjour ! I make it Baranovici-BSSR : Baranovici, in Bielorussia or Belarus. Merci Bruno That was fast! I understand Baranovici was occupied by the Germans on June 29, 1941. Now, why would someone want to produce a philatelic souvenir of the first day of the invasion, seven days prior to the town being occupied? Bonsoir, Baranovichi indeed. BSSR means of course Belorussia (White Russia, Belorusskaia Sovetskaia Sotsialisticheskaia Respublika). To answer your question, it is possible that: - A stamp collector just wanted a souvenir from the beginning of the war - Or he has eventually seen the war as a coming soon liberation of his country from the communism (note: at that time they didn't know that the Nazis represented the same kind of evil). -- Victor Manta ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Communism on Stamps: http://reds-on.postalstamps.biz/ Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org/ Art on Stamps: http://artonstamps.org/ Romania by Stamps: http://marci-postale.com/ Spanish North Africa: http://www.sna-on.postalstamps.biz/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Richard Thouin wrote :
I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card, actually) is a souvenir of the first day of Hilter's invasion of Russia June 22, 1941. Thus the importance of the location. I understand Baranovici was occupied by the Germans on June 29, 1941. Now, why would someone want to produce a philatelic souvenir of the first day of the invasion, seven days prior to the town being occupied? June 22, 1941 was a sunday, for what it's worth. -- Cordialement, Bruno |
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On Nov 17, 3:14 pm, Richard Thouin /invalid wrote:
Hi Could a Russian-reading member decipher the place-name on this Russian cancel and also locate this town or village? http://cjoint.com/?lrveKtTQOF an enlargement of the most legible cancelhttp://cjoint.com/?lrvfYuM8r6 I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card, actually) is a souvenir of the first day of Hilter's invasion of Russia June 22, 1941. Thus the importance of the location. Best regards from snow-white Quebec. Richard -- Pour répondre en perso insérer r devant mon nom et retrancher /invalid To answer directly, insert r in front of my name and drop /invalid Hello Richard: In my opinion, the cancel is from Baranavichy (Baranovichi) in Belarus (then the Belarusian S S R). Population (1995) 173,000 It is located about 206 km North East of Bierascie (Brest). Modern maps showing location of the city: ( ~ 53 North 26 East) http://www.loc.gov/rr/international/...ges/by-map.jpg http://www.geocities.com/heartland/e...7/bel_map2.gif My evidence: (1) Here is a postcard from Baranavichy in 1910. Please note the town name in cyrillic letters at top left corner (after the 3) and compare to the cancel. The card shows Maryinski Street, if I am reading correctly. http://baranavichy.at.tut.by/p_03_G.jpg . (2) It is an important railway centre. The city coat of arms has a train on it. http://www.belarusguide.com/images/p...aranovichy.png This would make it an important early target for the German Army. Here is a 1940 map showing the city mid-way on the route from Brest (Polish Border) to Minsk (Belarus capital). http://www.belarusguide.com/as/map_text/bssr1940.html Here is a postcard from that city (1911) showing oval railway post office cancels with the city name at the left side. http://baranavichy.at.tut.by/P_1911_41749.jpg (3) The date of your cover, 22 June 1941, marked the start of the German invasion of Russia (Operation Barbarossa). I suspect that being so close to the Polish border and being so important, Baranavichy fell to the Gernans on the 22 or 23 of June. Summer 1944 marked the liberation of all Belarus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:E...to_1944-12.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belorussian_Offensive Blair |
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Bruno, Tony, Victor and Blair
Thanks for the input. Blair, some of your links are broken or incomplete. Best regards Richard In article , "Blair (TC)" wrote: On Nov 17, 3:14 pm, Richard Thouin /invalid wrote: Hi Could a Russian-reading member decipher the place-name on this Russian cancel and also locate this town or village? http://cjoint.com/?lrveKtTQOF an enlargement of the most legible cancelhttp://cjoint.com/?lrvfYuM8r6 I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card, actually) is a souvenir of the first day of Hilter's invasion of Russia June 22, 1941. Thus the importance of the location. Best regards from snow-white Quebec. Richard -- Pour répondre en perso insérer r devant mon nom et retrancher /invalid To answer directly, insert r in front of my name and drop /invalid Hello Richard: In my opinion, the cancel is from Baranavichy (Baranovichi) in Belarus (then the Belarusian S S R). Population (1995) 173,000 It is located about 206 km North East of Bierascie (Brest). Modern maps showing location of the city: ( ~ 53 North 26 East) http://www.loc.gov/rr/international/...ges/by-map.jpg http://www.geocities.com/heartland/estates/3337/bel map2.gif My evidence: (1) Here is a postcard from Baranavichy in 1910. Please note the town name in cyrillic letters at top left corner (after the 3) and compare to the cancel. The card shows Maryinski Street, if I am reading correctly. http://baranavichy.at.tut.by/p 03 G.jpg . (2) It is an important railway centre. The city coat of arms has a train on it. http://www.belarusguide.com/images/p...aranavichy/COA Baranovichy.png This would make it an important early target for the German Army. Here is a 1940 map showing the city mid-way on the route from Brest (Polish Border) to Minsk (Belarus capital). http://www.belarusguide.com/as/map text/bssr1940.html Here is a postcard from that city (1911) showing oval railway post office cancels with the city name at the left side. http://baranavichy.at.tut.by/P 1911 41749.jpg (3) The date of your cover, 22 June 1941, marked the start of the German invasion of Russia (Operation Barbarossa). I suspect that being so close to the Polish border and being so important, Baranavichy fell to the Gernans on the 22 or 23 of June. Summer 1944 marked the liberation of all Belarus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Eastern Front 1943-08 to 1944-12.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belorussian Offensive Blair -- Pour répondre en perso insérer «r» devant mon nom et retrancher «/invalid» To answer directly, insert «r» in front of my name and drop «/invalid» |
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"bc92" wrote in message
... Richard Thouin wrote : I believe the cover (the back of a Russian Post Card, actually) is a souvenir of the first day of Hilter's invasion of Russia June 22, 1941. Thus the importance of the location. I understand Baranovici was occupied by the Germans on June 29, 1941. Now, why would someone want to produce a philatelic souvenir of the first day of the invasion, seven days prior to the town being occupied? June 22, 1941 was a sunday, for what it's worth. Interesting. Was this cover done by the postmaster himself, for him or for a friend? Just to notice the June 22, 1941 speech of the German chancellor: http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/hitler4.htm Eventually skip the long blah-blahs but not the fact of a huge number of Soviet divisions standing (actually hiding) at the borders. The speaker knew only a part of the truth, for example quite nothing about the 2nd and 3rd strategic echelons, an important part of the Soviet's "pre-war" total mobilization, that were moving toward the German - USSR (in Poland, occupied by both) and Romanian - USSR borders. -- Victor Manta ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Romania by Stamps: http://marci-postale.com/ Communism on Stamps: http://reds-on.postalstamps.biz/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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