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Cameron Kiefer committed suicide
Another truly sad day for the coin world
Cameron Kiefer committed suicide right before Christmas. He was a young numistist of the year and had a bright future in the coin industry. He was a grader at ICG until the Mark Yafee scandal drove the parent company National Gold Exchange into bankruptcy. .. He was having financial difficulties that obviously became to much for him to bear . And burnt some people on the PCGS message board. For all the people calling for his blood in their posts beware what you wish for. Exchanged quite a few emails with Cameron and always found him to be incredibly helpful . A truly sad day RIP Cameron |
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Cameron Kiefer committed suicide
On Dec 28, 10:07*am, "X2Rider" wrote:
Another truly sad day for the coin world Cameron Kiefer committed suicide right before Christmas. He was a young numistist of the year and had a bright future in the coin industry. *He was a grader at ICG until the Mark Yafee scandal drove the parent company National Gold Exchange into bankruptcy. . He was having financial difficulties that obviously became to much for him to bear . And burnt some people on the PCGS message board. For all the people calling for his blood in their posts beware what you wish for. Exchanged quite a few emails with Cameron and always found him to be incredibly helpful . A truly sad day RIP Cameron The PCGS message board keeps deleting messages about this, implying that it is not true. |
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Cameron Kiefer committed suicide
I started collecting in 1998 quit in 2001 911
The lack of honesty inthis coin selling is not all ways above board. David Hall was profitable to many of his friends. The more business you sent him the better grade you could get just busines they say. As God watches their is no MS 70 1927 slabbed thanks Steve I thought A million dollar coin Lord I give up In God we Trust Louie Richardson Pennies from Heaven.. |
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Cameron Kiefer committed suicide
On Dec 28, 10:07*am, "X2Rider" wrote:
Another truly sad day for the coin world Cameron Kiefer committed suicide right before Christmas. He was a young numistist of the year and had a bright future in the coin industry. *He was a grader at ICG until the Mark Yafee scandal drove the parent company National Gold Exchange into bankruptcy. . He was having financial difficulties that obviously became to much for him to bear . And burnt some people on the PCGS message board. For all the people calling for his blood in their posts beware what you wish for. Exchanged quite a few emails with Cameron and always found him to be incredibly helpful . A truly sad day RIP Cameron Very sad. One should not kill oneself over money - one of "professional" numismatics "dirty little secrets" is the number of big names and recognizable names that have been flushed through bankruptcy once or more than once. oly |
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Cameron Kiefer committed suicide
On Dec 28, 12:09*pm, Steve wrote:
On Dec 28, 10:07*am, "X2Rider" wrote: The PCGS message board keeps deleting messages about this, implying that it is not true. A web site claiming to represent a funeral home has information about visiting hours and a funeral mass for Cameron Wade Kiefer, and the site says he was a Numismatist. It seems accurate. http://www.horancares.com/_mgxroot/p...nt&listing=All |
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Cameron Kiefer committed suicide
Stop preaching such ridiculous pap!
To me, his choices were mutually exclusive, both involved a mutually exclusive decision of action and both incur different results. The harm caused by the first choice is never mitigated or subjugated to the harm caused by the second choice. His thefts and his lies in the attempt to cover up were exposed and are incontrovertible Facts, not malicious "gossip" or accusations. He had a choice in how to deal with it But if you want to really talk unintended consequences, the folks who offer little sympathy today are those 'unintended consequences' from two years ago, when the viscous level of attack on his VICTIMS from Board members was outrageous! Lack of empathy to him now was caused by the members who then supported the thief, despite the open, overwhelming evidence and the bold-face lies, he made himself, in writing! When you die (besides worldly things you accumulated as you passed thru), only memories of you by others, memories of your honor, memories of the way you treated people, are what really matter. Leave it at that. "X2Rider" wrote in message ... Another truly sad day for the coin world Cameron Kiefer committed suicide right before Christmas. He was a young numistist of the year and had a bright future in the coin industry. He was a grader at ICG until the Mark Yafee scandal drove the parent company National Gold Exchange into bankruptcy. . He was having financial difficulties that obviously became to much for him to bear . And burnt some people on the PCGS message board. For all the people calling for his blood in their posts beware what you wish for. Exchanged quite a few emails with Cameron and always found him to be incredibly helpful . A truly sad day RIP Cameron |
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Cameron Kiefer committed suicide
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"X2Rider" wrote: Another truly sad day for the coin world Cameron Kiefer committed suicide right before Christmas. He was a young numistist of the year and had a bright future in the coin industry. He was a grader at ICG until the Mark Yafee scandal drove the parent company National Gold Exchange into bankruptcy. Cameron actually left ICG in March 2008 after the ANACS/ICG "personnel swap" in order to become a full time coin deeler. The NGE bankruptcy did not take place until July 2009, over a year later. He was having financial difficulties that obviously became to much for him to bear . And burnt some people on the PCGS message board. For all the people calling for his blood in their posts beware what you wish for. I don't recall anyone calling for his blood, but rather they seemed to want to warn additional potential victims to avoid doing business with him until he cleaned up his act. IMO, PCGS was quite helpful in covering up for Cameron by poofing these threads as soon as they appeared, in re both his previous (2009) platinum iggle "sales" and his recent silver iggle "sales". Exchanged quite a few emails with Cameron and always found him to be incredibly helpful . A truly sad day RIP Cameron I feel much more sadness and concern for his widow and two small children, and hope they have a good family support system to get them through these trying times ... FYI, there is a memorial fund set up at: Cameron Kiefer Family Memorial Fund c/o Mutual of Omaha Bank P. O. Box 69 Nederland, CO 80466 -- Ken Barr Numismatics * * * *email: P. O. Box 32541 * * * * * * website: *http://www.kenbarr.com San Jose, CA *95152 * * Coins, currency, exonumia, souvenir cards, etc. 408-272-3247 * * * *NEXT SHOW: Peninsula CC (Naperdak Hall, San Jose), Nov 11 |
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Cameron Kiefer committed suicide
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, oly wrote: On Dec 28, 10:07*am, "X2Rider" wrote: Another truly sad day for the coin world Cameron Kiefer committed suicide right before Christmas. He was a young numistist of the year and had a bright future in the coin industry. *He was a grader at ICG until the Mark Yafee scandal drove the parent company National Gold Exchange into bankruptcy. . He was having financial difficulties that obviously became to much for him to bear . And burnt some people on the PCGS message board. For all the people calling for his blood in their posts beware what you wish for. Exchanged quite a few emails with Cameron and always found him to be incredibly helpful . A truly sad day RIP Cameron Very sad. One should not kill oneself over money - one of "professional" numismatics "dirty little secrets" is the number of big names and recognizable names that have been flushed through bankruptcy once or more than once. Cameron was also a reserve officer in a local Colorado police department. Simply being accused of fraud could have had a rather severe negative impact on that career path even if a BK wiped out his debts. -- Ken Barr Numismatics * * * *email: P. O. Box 32541 * * * * * * website: *http://www.kenbarr.com San Jose, CA *95152 * * Coins, currency, exonumia, souvenir cards, etc. 408-272-3247 * * * *NEXT SHOW: Peninsula CC (Naperdak Hall, San Jose), Nov 11 |
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Cameron Kiefer committed suicide
"X2Rider" wrote in message ... Another truly sad day for the coin world Cameron Kiefer committed suicide right before Christmas. I don't know if the gentleman is alive or dead at this point. There isn't anything on the web about his death. He does have an interesting web page about sample slabs: http://www.sampleslabs.com/ A few Google entries list him as a grader at ICG (which I consider an inferior, 2nd tier grader, eBay's opinion to the contrary notwithstanding!) |
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Cameron Kiefer committed suicide
Cameron had some bad dealings that in his words were ruining his reputation.
There was a post office worker in his town that stole 11000 packages (that's eleven thousand packages) before he got caught and admitted some of those were coins. He was very concerned about his reputation and business that he had spent a big chunk of his young life building would never recover from the problems he was having. It seemed Numismatics was all he knew and had a problem with what he would ever do if his business and reputation failed. A young person usually doesn't have the experience to know you can recover from a failing business as long as you do not keep causing more problems for yourself by taking in more orders and just worry about handling your present obligations before you worry about anything else. I think he was having to take more orders to be able to pay off the problems he had (kind of like taking from Peter to pay Paul) which just caused more problems for him.I do not know all the facts about the case as I try to keep myself out of bad publicity that doesn't involve me. I could imagine for a small business it would be hard to recover from a few packages containing a few ROLLS of ASE's being taken from the post man I do know he was ANA's YN of the year and then joined as a grader at ICG and even taught some seminars at coin shows. He was a very bright individual that had allot of knowledge and should have been one of the greats of this hobby if he had just kept it a hobby instead of trying to make it a business, but that is what most people do when thats all you know. |
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