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Clash marks
Do clash marks affect the grade or value of a coin?
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mike browder wrote:
Do clash marks affect the grade or value of a coin? Yes and yes. All other things being equal, clash marks (or bag marks as they are more commonly called) will most often detract from both the grade and value. A coin with bag marks can still have a relatively high grade, but much of a coins desireablity comes from "eye appeal". Therefore, the value (relative to similar coins) may be impacted more than the grade. -- ©¿©¬ ~ Ed Hendricks |
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On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 20:31:01 -0800, "Ed Hendricks"
wrote: mike browder wrote: Do clash marks affect the grade or value of a coin? Yes and yes. All other things being equal, clash marks (or bag marks as they are more commonly called) will most often detract from both the grade and value. A coin with bag marks can still have a relatively high grade, but much of a coins desireablity comes from "eye appeal". Therefore, the value (relative to similar coins) may be impacted more than the grade. Ed, I hate to pick nits... "Clash marks" happen when the dies come together without a planchet between them, so part of the design is transferred from one die to the other, and then appears on the struck coin. "Bag marks" happen when coins contact one another, usually the rim hitting on the field somewhere... take care, Scott |
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"Scott Stevenson" wrote in message ... On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 20:31:01 -0800, "Ed Hendricks" wrote: mike browder wrote: Do clash marks affect the grade or value of a coin? Yes and yes. All other things being equal, clash marks (or bag marks as they are more commonly called) will most often detract from both the grade and value. A coin with bag marks can still have a relatively high grade, but much of a coins desireablity comes from "eye appeal". Therefore, the value (relative to similar coins) may be impacted more than the grade. Ed, I hate to pick nits... "Clash marks" happen when the dies come together without a planchet between them, so part of the design is transferred from one die to the other, and then appears on the struck coin. "Bag marks" happen when coins contact one another, usually the rim hitting on the field somewhere... take care, Scott Nice catch, Scott. If you hadn't said it, I would have. Often, clash marks add value to the coin because it can indicate a stage or a state of the die. Also, there are coins in the seated series and the Flying Eagle Cent series where different denominated dies show clash marks of different denominated dies. e.g. the 1857 FE 1C obverse die clashed with an obverse die of a $20 gold piece; another example is the 1857 FE 1C reverse die clashed with a Seated Liberty Quarter reverse die. The point is that a die clash is totally different from a bag mark. Several Morgan Dollar varieties are "clash marked die" varieties. HTH Aram. |
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Thanks for the responses. The coin I have is an 1814 capped bust half
dollar. There's part of a motto (too indistinct to make out exactly what it says) between the bottom of the bust and the date. On the reverse there's a thin bar running from the middle edge of the eagle's right wing to the bottom of the scroll, touching the scroll under the "E" in E Pluribus Unum. mike |
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"mike browder" describes a nice one in the following:
Thanks for the responses. The coin I have is an 1814 capped bust half dollar. There's part of a motto (too indistinct to make out exactly what it says) between the bottom of the bust and the date. On the reverse there's a thin bar running from the middle edge of the eagle's right wing to the bottom of the scroll, touching the scroll under the "E" in E Pluribus Unum. You've reminded me of one of my favorite halves, Mike. http://www.freshonmymind.com/1814/1814half.jpg With some enlargement, you can readily see some of the motto above the date. Also seen are the outlines of the eagle's wings, liberty's bustline, and the eagle's feet... When I saw this coin in a shop a few years ago, I heard a voice say "Take me home with you!" And I did. :-) I love these die clash examples! Amistad 'gotta love those bust halves' |
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Bugs Bunny Franklin halves are rather common, I have two years with the
die clash, they command a small premium. Jim Rose e wrote: In article , "Ed Hendricks" wrote: X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: core-easynews rec.collecting.coins:654291 Status: N mike browder wrote: Do clash marks affect the grade or value of a coin? Yes and yes. All other things being equal, clash marks (or bag marks as they are more commonly called) will most often detract from both the grade and value. A coin with bag marks can still have a relatively high grade, but much of a coins desireablity comes from "eye appeal". Therefore, the value (relative to similar coins) may be impacted more than the grade. unless he means die clash, which i suspect. |
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"mike browder" wrote in message ... Do clash marks affect the grade or value of a coin? No and maybe. If it's commonly known on certain coin types then it doesn't necessarily increase the value too much. IOW it has to be very dramatic. The more pronounced it is the more collectible it is. 3CN's are quite common to see die clash for example. With modern coins it's very rare to find dramatic examples. |
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Scott Stevenson wrote:
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 20:31:01 -0800, "Ed Hendricks" wrote: mike browder wrote: Do clash marks affect the grade or value of a coin? Yes and yes. All other things being equal, clash marks (or bag marks as they are more commonly called) will most often detract from both the grade and value. A coin with bag marks can still have a relatively high grade, but much of a coins desireablity comes from "eye appeal". Therefore, the value (relative to similar coins) may be impacted more than the grade. Ed, I hate to pick nits... "Clash marks" happen when the dies come together without a planchet between them, so part of the design is transferred from one die to the other, and then appears on the struck coin. "Bag marks" happen when coins contact one another, usually the rim hitting on the field somewhere... take care, Scott I stand humbly corrected. I can only surmise that my mind was so befuddled with election day gobbledygook that I was temporarily insane. :-) -- ©¿©¬ ~ Ed Hendricks |
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"Ed Hendricks" wrote in
: I stand humbly corrected. I can only surmise that my mind was so befuddled with election day gobbledygook that I was temporarily insane. :-) Be careful, Ed! If you think about politics too much, you may not be *temporarily* insane anymore! -- Eric Babula Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA |
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