The two Bobs and the fake Trade Dollar in fake PCGS slab on eBay:Ira's take on this matter

dsybok wrote:
"Ira" wrote in message (Robert F or Bob F)
deserve no recognition from anyone on this group in my opinion. No
matter that they occasionally post some useful information. In my
view, they are bad actors and deserve to be shunned.

Ira Stein


I am not a "regular" here, but I lurk and post once in a while. I
don't post more mainly because I find Bob F to be a complete dick,
and it is a turn off for anyone to have every post you make get some
rude, snide comment from someone who apparently thinks this is "his"
group. I am no thin skinned internet newbie, I have been doing this
since the beginning of the usenet in the early 90s, and folks like
Bob F have been around the whole time, but I have better things to do
(most days) than engage fools like him. It is a shame though that
they for whatever egomaniacal reason feel the need to ruin things for
others.

Usenet is not like a schoolyard, where there is no choice but to overhear
the taunts. I can't think of a simpler solution to your dilemma than to
leave Bob's (or mine, or anyone else's) posts unopened if you suspect that
they will offend you.

James

On Apr 20, 12:33*pm, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com
wrote:
dsybok wrote:
"Ira" wrote in message (Robert F or Bob F)
deserve no recognition from anyone on this group in my opinion. No
matter that they occasionally post some useful information. In my
view, they are bad actors and deserve to be shunned.

Ira Stein

I am not a "regular" here, but I lurk and post once in a while. I
don't post more mainly because I find Bob F to be a complete dick,
and it is a turn off for anyone to have every post you make get some
rude, snide comment from someone who apparently thinks this is "his"
group. I am no thin skinned internet newbie, I have been doing this
since the beginning of the usenet in the early 90s, and folks like
Bob F have been around the whole time, but I have better things to do
(most days) than engage fools like him. It is a shame though that
they for whatever egomaniacal reason feel the need to ruin things for
others.

Usenet is not like a schoolyard, where there is no choice but to overhear
the taunts. *I can't think of a simpler solution to your dilemma than to
leave Bob's (or mine, or anyone else's) posts unopened if you suspect that
they will offend you.

James

Or stick to the moderated groups. Boring, but generally flame
resistant.

That said, it's funny that the OP himself chose to flame someone for
flaming a generally indefensible person while, oh so subtly in the
process, promoting his own Trade Dollar that he has up for sale.

wrote in message
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That said, it's funny that the OP himself chose to flame someone for
flaming a generally indefensible person while, oh so subtly in the
process, promoting his own Trade Dollar that he has up for sale.

Ira-weh's crocodile tears and feigned outrage were just an excuse to
promote his eBay sales?
I'm shocked! Shocked!

"Bob F." wrote in message
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"oly" wrote in message
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In the disreputable business of vending magic beans, it strikes me as
good that there are naysayers. That's why RF is valuable here - to
provide at least some offset to all the B.S. of the magic bean phonies.


Like the the unnamed blowhard "dealer" who has multi-thousand dollar
Lincoln cents on eBay never seem to sell?
You want rare coins - take a look at the mintages of Canadian George V
half dollars in the 30's, all less than 60,000 and available in Fine
condition for less than $100! .
These are coins that actually ARE rare in any condition.

And many, many fewer people care to collect them hence the incredibly lower
prices. I hope that clears things up.

In , on 04/20/2009
at 02:33 PM, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com said:

Usenet is not like a schoolyard, where there is no choice but to overhear
the taunts. I can't think of a simpler solution to your dilemma than to
leave Bob's (or mine, or anyone else's) posts unopened if you suspect that
they will offend you.

Unfortunately, even with an efficient killfile helping out, you still have
to watch for posts replying to the crap. Which is what we've seen here the
past week or so; I haven't seen a Bob F original in quite some time, yet
Frank keeps putting his text in messages that I do end up seeing. Not that
I read any of it, but it's still noise.

It's unfortunate, but I'm going to have to start twitting those who feel so
compelled to defend themselves, or otherwise quote the worthless drivel.

Nick

Realtych writes:


That said, it's funny that the OP himself chose to flame someone for
flaming a generally indefensible person while, oh so subtly in the
process, promoting his own Trade Dollar that he has up for sale.

Is that so? I suppose then I put Frank up to bringing the counterfeit
Trade Dol in the counterfeit slab to everyone's attention just so I
could promote my OWN Trade Dollar? Oh shucks, I forgot to put a link
to my auction piece in the post. Wouldn't have been a bad idea to
compare my REAL one to the phony. Then people here could see what bag
marks and luster are supposed to look like.

My point, as you well know, Dogbreath, is that bogus pieces hurt all
reputable sellers offering genuine pieces as well as hurting the
buyers who are fooled into buying the phonies. This hurts the hobby as
a whole.

Ira

On Apr 20, 7:14*pm, "PC" wrote:
"Bob F." wrote in message

...

"oly" wrote in message
...
In the disreputable business of vending magic beans, it strikes me as
good that there are naysayers. *That's why RF is valuable here - to
provide at least some offset to all the B.S. of the magic bean phonies..

Like the the unnamed blowhard "dealer" who has multi-thousand dollar
Lincoln cents on eBay never seem to sell?
You want rare coins - take a look at the mintages of Canadian George V
half dollars in the 30's, all less than 60,000 and available in Fine
condition for less than $100! .
These are coins that actually ARE rare in any condition.

And many, many fewer people care to collect them hence the incredibly lower
prices. *I hope that clears things up.

Well, PC, Bob F. believes rarity is the single determinant of value.
Apparently doesn't understand that demand (popularity) are major
determinants of value in the marketplace.

Ira

"oly" wrote in message

In the disreputable business of vending magic beans, it strikes me as
good that there are naysayers. That's why RF is valuable here - to
provide at least some offset to all the B.S. of the magic bean
phonies.

oly


Sure, but respectfully, it is possible to do this without being a complete
asshole too. The "nobleness" of what you purport Bob F is all about is
runied by the way that he goes about it. I have never done a thing to rub
him the wrong way, and I don't know any of his enemies, but all he has
successfully done thus far is call me names. That is not a useful service,
no matter what you might think.

D

On Apr 20, 4:14*pm, "PC" wrote:
"Bob F." wrote in message

Like the the unnamed blowhard "dealer" who has multi-thousand dollar
Lincoln cents on eBay never seem to sell?
You want rare coins - take a look at the mintages of Canadian George V
half dollars in the 30's, all less than 60,000 and available in Fine
condition for less than $100! .
These are coins that actually ARE rare in any condition.

And many, many fewer people care to collect them hence the incredibly lower
prices. *I hope that clears things up.

While it's true that current demand for Lincoln Cents in so-called
"condition rarity" is propping up the prices for those coins, the true
rarity of them is not really all that evident. For instance, while
1909-S-VDBs seem to be all the rage right now, they are actually
fairly common if you subscribe to the Sheldon sense of rarity.
Thousands of them have been certified by the major services, yet they
go for over $600 in good to over $5K for an MS-65RD.

Just because there are suckers out there that will pay ridiculous
prices for things like "condition rarity" Lincolns and common as dirt
bullion SAEs in MS-69 and MS-70 plastic holders, it doesn't diminish
the point that you can buy some truly rare coins fairly cheaply. For
instance there are Shield Nickel varieties with only a handful known
in all grades that you can get for only 2X to 3X current market for
the same date non-variety.

The difference is that you will eventually nearly always get burned
when you buy "trendy" coins for high prices, while you will nearly
always get decent appreciation over time on truly rare ones.

Nick Knight wrote:
In , on 04/20/2009
at 02:33 PM, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com said:

Usenet is not like a schoolyard, where there is no choice but to
overhear the taunts. I can't think of a simpler solution to your
dilemma than to leave Bob's (or mine, or anyone else's) posts
unopened if you suspect that they will offend you.

Unfortunately, even with an efficient killfile helping out, you still
have to watch for posts replying to the crap. Which is what we've
seen here the past week or so; I haven't seen a Bob F original in
quite some time, yet Frank keeps putting his text in messages that I
do end up seeing. Not that I read any of it, but it's still noise.

It's unfortunate, but I'm going to have to start twitting those who
feel so compelled to defend themselves, or otherwise quote the
worthless drivel.

Nick, you sound like the punchline of an old joke that ends, "I think I'll
take a chance with that left eye." 8)

James