Bad news folks - artgallery10 is back - registered user

Now - are eBay complete idiots?

I have just been threatened by him via e-mail because I told him I was going
to report him - he thinkgs that I am the person he copied the description
from.

All his shill accounts are still NARUed, but this fraud is reinstated.

ARGHHHHHHHHHH

Tom L-M

The correspondance that I have had with this idiot tonight is hilarious, its
pasted below but I will give a short introduction.

After getting Narued 'cristian' e-mailed me thinking I had another username,
the one he copied the description from. He then went through some barmy
asertions - like I was this username or that username - then that i was a
shill bidder - he demanded my username, which I didnt give him - if he wasnt
so slow he would have realised that i e-mailed him an 'ask seller a
question' using my username.

Anyway, the rest is self evident - apologies for poor typing - i have a
plastered finger:

Cheers


Tom L-M


----- Original Message -----
From: "cristian argesanu"
To: "Tom L-M"
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:23 PM
Subject: HARRASING OTHER MEMBERS


Thank you very much ! That's the information eBay was
looking for. These gangs that are bidding on each
other items. This "Newsgroup" rec.collecting books is
the actual fraud on eBay.You are a gang of friends who
are placing bids on each other auctions.Now I have the
proof
to show eBay that you are using shill bidding . I have
all the emails and names I needed to send them .Thanks
again. I'm sure eBay will be interested to look at all
of your auctions.They have the emails and the names
now.
I'd just sent them the header from your email with the
link you provided.Moreover you hacked in the eBay
files that were supposed to be private.The
informations you 've got from my account were
accesible only to hackers they were supossed to be
private .Thanks again
--- Tom L-M wrote:
More misconstrusions:

I am actually talking about a discussion that we had
on eBay about you and
your accounts - and all the people that reported you
- everyone knows now
that your account is fraudulent. Take a look:

http://tinyurl.com/gomb

I have never used shill bidding - it seems that you
are the master of this
with your private auctions.



----- Original Message -----
From: "cristian argesanu"

To: "Tom L-M"
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 9:06 PM
Subject: HARRASING OTHER MEMBERS


SO YOU HAVE 20 COLLEGUES AND FRIENDS WHO ARE
BIDDING
ON EACH OTHER ITEMS RIGHT ? THAT'S CALLED SHILL
BIDDING AND IT'S ILLEGAL ON EBAY . YOU WILL BE
REPORTED FOR THIS TOO.YOU AND YOUR 20 FRIENDS
SHOULD
HAVE YOUR ACCOUNTS SUSPENDED FOR SHILL
BIDDING.IT'S
JUST NOT FAIR FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BIDDING ON
YOUR
ITEMS.
--- Tom L-M wrote:
Haha, you are perhaps the most immature person I
have met on eBay.

I would like to say that I have the backing of
around 20 members of the
rec.collecting.books newsgroup - take a look.
----- Original Message -----
From: "cristian argesanu"

To: "Tom L-M"
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 8:48 PM
Subject: HARRASING OTHER MEMBERS


FOR WHAT FOR TELLING THE TRUTH ?? YOU
THREATENED
ME
PHISICALLY I HAVE THE EMAILS (MANY MANY OF
THEM )
TO
PROVE IT !YOU ARE DENGEROUS . A MENACE FOR
EBAY
COMMUNITY.
--- Tom L-M wrote:
Thats libellious and will be reported to
eBay -
I
have not lied and I have
never done a fraudulent thing in my life.

----- Original Message -----
From: "cristian argesanu"

To: "Tom L-M"
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 8:37 PM
Subject: HARRASING OTHER MEMBERS


SHUT UP YOU ARE A LIAR AND A FRAUD !
--- Tom L-M wrote:
Did you know that you could be kicked
off
ebay
for
lying to them - when they
find out that I am perfectly innocent
they
will
kick
you off for lying.

I see that everything has turned out for
the
best
after all!


----- Original Message -----
From: "cristian argesanu"

To: "Tom L-M"
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 8:21 PM
Subject: HARRASING OTHER MEMBERS


YOU ARE THE FRAUD . I'VE GOT EBAY TO
LOOK
IN
YOUR
ACCOUNT . WHAT YOU DID WAS SO LOW
ESPECIALLY
THAT
YOU
HAVE A BAD HISTORY LOL

--- Tom L-M
wrote:
OK - however eBay will put 2 and 2
together
and
find
out that because i got
you NARUed (yes, i complained about
your
auctions,
as they were fraudulent),
you are trying to retaliate.

They wont do anything - they dont
help
frauds.


----- Original Message -----
From: "cristian argesanu"

To:
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 8:14 PM
Subject: HARRASING OTHER MEMBERS


IMMEDIATE REPORT TO EBAY WILL
FOLLOW !






























"Tom" wrote in message
...
Now - are eBay complete idiots?

I have just been threatened by him via e-mail because I told him I was
going
to report him - he thinkgs that I am the person he copied the description
from.

All his shill accounts are still NARUed, but this fraud is reinstated.

ARGHHHHHHHHHH

Tom L-M

I think you would all be smarter to allow these frauds to go on and have the
sales made and then try and get either the buyer or maybe a class-action
lawyer involved. Only lawsuits will bring E-bay to a position where it will
police it's own sales.

E-Bay could easily take action by more closely supervising any sale that
goes over $100, but if you guys continue to act as their unpaid police
force, why would they bother.

Cheers, Randy

--

Tom wrote in message
...
Now - are eBay complete idiots?

I have just been threatened by him via e-mail because I told him I was
going
to report him - he thinkgs that I am the person he copied the description
from.

All his shill accounts are still NARUed, but this fraud is reinstated.

ARGHHHHHHHHHH

Tom L-M

Kris Baker wrote in message
.. .


Randy, do you know how much it would cost eBay to
"supervise" $100+ sales?

I don't know. More than a couple of one hundred million dollar class-action
lawsuits? More than fighting a RICO charge? if they still have such things.

If you see a rape or bank robbery, do you report it (or
do you just sit back and watch, because you're not
the "unpaid police force"). Society in general is
self-policing.

This is a rape or burglery that is happening on someone's private property,
I would expect the owner's of the property to take notice first. Either
they should police their own site or it should be shut down permanently.
That is what society does with a bar that is given to rape and robbery, is
it not?

Cheers, Randy

"Randy Burns" wrote in message
...

Kris Baker wrote in message
.. .


Randy, do you know how much it would cost eBay to
"supervise" $100+ sales?

I don't know. More than a couple of one hundred million dollar
class-action lawsuits? More than fighting a RICO charge?
if they still have such things.

RICO? Egads.

You'll have to start with the ads in your local newspaper
(after all, they don't "supervise" them)....and then move
on to the late-night infomercials

If you see a rape or bank robbery, do you report it (or
do you just sit back and watch, because you're not
the "unpaid police force"). Society in general is
self-policing.

This is a rape or burglery that is happening on someone's
private property, I would expect the owner's of the property
to take notice first. Either they should police their own
site or it should be shut down permanently. That is what
society does with a bar that is given to rape and robbery, is
it not?

Cheers, Randy

You *are* aware of what you just typed?

It's OK to watch, because you're not responsible to
call the cops -- because it's not your property?
I feel quite sorry for any female acquaintances and
relatives you have.

Kris

"MindElec" wrote in message
...

snip

makes one wonder what he got NARU'd for/ i got this from ebay today.

"Hello,

Thank you for writing to eBay's SafeHarbor Department about a member
who
has false contact information. We understand your concern and will
investigate this situation as soon as possible, usually within 24
hours.

I have forwarded this email to our fraud department.

We understand how important it is that every eBay user has valid
contact
information. There are some instances where a member may have
forgotten
to update their information after a move or change of phone number. We
will work closely with the member you are reporting over the next day
or
so to ensure the matter is brought to his or her attention.

snip

Like EVERY other email I've ever gotten from eBay support, this has nothing
whatsoever to do with what you reported. It makes me wonder if eBay support
even exists, or whether it's some kind of primative bot that spits out
random replies based on keywords found in the customer email.

--gary

About a year ago I turned in a seller for using shill bidders. I thought
it was obvious and said so
to safeharbor. It is the general rule that one receives a form answer
from ebay and then, later, an
answer to the complaint. In this case the form response was not received
within 48 hours so I sent
a second complaint identical to the first. The second did get the form
response. The following then
happened:

1) It turned out that the first complaint was in fact received. The
person who handled it replied
that there were no indications whatsoever that shill bidding was
involved and implied that I had
made a false complaint.

2) One day later another person replied, using the second complaint, and
said that it was obvious
that shill bidding was involved and that the seller had been suspended.
The suspension lasted for
30 days.

Complaints about counterfeit or false items being sold are almost always
met, on the other hand,
with the canned response that law enforcement should be notified. In
other words, ebay will do
nothing and you won't be able to either. This may well be the case with
artgallery10 .

RW Julian


fiziwig wrote:

"MindElec" wrote in message
.. .

snip

makes one wonder what he got NARU'd for/ i got this from ebay today.

"Hello,

Thank you for writing to eBay's SafeHarbor Department about a member
who
has false contact information. We understand your concern and will
investigate this situation as soon as possible, usually within 24
hours.

I have forwarded this email to our fraud department.

We understand how important it is that every eBay user has valid
contact
information. There are some instances where a member may have
forgotten
to update their information after a move or change of phone number. We
will work closely with the member you are reporting over the next day
or
so to ensure the matter is brought to his or her attention.


snip

Like EVERY other email I've ever gotten from eBay support, this has nothing
whatsoever to do with what you reported. It makes me wonder if eBay support
even exists, or whether it's some kind of primative bot that spits out
random replies based on keywords found in the customer email.

--gary

"RW Julian" wrote in message
...
About a year ago I turned in a seller for using shill bidders.
I thought it was obvious and said so to safeharbor. It is the
general rule that one receives a form answer from ebay
and then, later, an answer to the complaint.

It's been my experience that shill bidding gets only a
warning, and a temporary suspension. An acquaintance,
who was bragging about her eBay sales, was clearly
engaged in shilling when I found her account. She was
suspended for 30 days....and was back later. What
I don't understand is this case, is why the main account
holder was reinstated *but* the shill accounts were NARU.

I'm wondering if he convinced eBay that he was the
target of a group....who were "the real shillers". ??

Kris

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:47:37 GMT, "Kris Baker"
declared:


"RW Julian" wrote in message
...
About a year ago I turned in a seller for using shill bidders.
I thought it was obvious and said so to safeharbor. It is the
general rule that one receives a form answer from ebay
and then, later, an answer to the complaint.

It's been my experience that shill bidding gets only a
warning, and a temporary suspension. An acquaintance,
who was bragging about her eBay sales, was clearly
engaged in shilling when I found her account. She was
suspended for 30 days....and was back later. What
I don't understand is this case, is why the main account
holder was reinstated *but* the shill accounts were NARU.

I'm wondering if he convinced eBay that he was the
target of a group....who were "the real shillers". ??

it's possible that they weren't NARU'd for shilling at all, but for
invalid contact info. which would be easy to fix for one of the
accounts.

i think what ebay does when alerted to something like this, is look
for the easiest NARU possible without giving further investigation.



robert

"there must be one night in your life that you will remember forever.
The must be one night for everyone. And if you know that the night
is coming on and that this night will be that particular night, then
take it and don't question it and don't talk about it to anyone ever
after that. For if you let it pass it might not come again. Many have
let it pass, many have seen it go by and have never seen another like it,
when all the circumstances of weather, light, moon and time, of night hill
and warm grass and train and town and distance were balanced upon the
trembling of a finger."

STOP THE HARRASMENT ! WHAT YOU SAID ARE LIES . DEFAIMATION WITHOUT
PROPER EVIDENCE IS ILLEGAL . I COULD SENT EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU A
COPY OF THE SIGNATURE ! STOP LYING ABOUT ME .TOM STARTED THIS AS A
REVENGE . HE RUNS ANOTHER SITE AN EBAY . IT'S CALLED FINE-ITEMS .I
HAVE PROOF . HE DID THAT AS A REVENGE BECAUSE I USED HIS STUPID
INTRODUCTION .HARRASING AN EBAY MEMBER IS ILLEGAL SO IT'S DEFAIMATION
WITHOUT PROPER EVIDENCE .THIS SO CALLED TOM IS ACTUALLY SCOT THE
LEADER OF THIS GROUP AND HE RUNS FINE-ITEMS AN EBAY .I CAN PROVE THIS
TOO : SO PLEASE DON'T BE FULLED BY AN IMPOSTOR .