Help with "INDIA"

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:37:04 +0100, "Mette" wrote:

Tracy Barber wrote in message
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:37:33 +0100, "Mette" wrote:

Tony, I don't understand you. Do you mean to say that the
sheet on the cover I show is a CTO?

He thinks so. It's not quite exactly the same position on the left 2
cancels, if one looks close enough. The canceller would have to be
very, very good to place them where they are though... I suppose that
it could be done!

I suppose it could be done, but the fact is that the sheet
has been used to frank a cover carrying expres-mail from
Ireland to Denmark ...

Besides, a CTO for me would mean that it was CTOd on
the date of issue, not one month after the actual issue.
I don't know the actual date of issue for this sheet -- could
find it out, though -- but I do know that it was sometime in
September 2003, whereas the sheet is postmarked in
October in a small village in the Irish countryside. None
of the four postmarks are placed in exactly the same
position.



Mette:

"Baile Atha Cliath" in English is DUBLIN.

Blair






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| FD Cancel? Was it printed on orcancelled?

It was cancelled Blair.
We have decided it a Favour first day cancel.
Cheers.

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:01:48 -0600, "A.E. Gelat"
wrote:

No, Mette, I meant that the cancellation was done at the same time as the
printing of the stamps. Take a good look at the position of the postmarks
on the stamps. There is no way that a person hand cancelling the stamps can
place it at the same exact place four times on the sheetlet. Perhaps a
better phrase will be Pre-cancelled. This does not mean that the sheetlet
does not exist without the cancellation.

Tony

"Mette" wrote in message
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Tony, I don't understand you. Do you mean to say that the
sheet on the cover I show is a CTO?

Mette


A.E. Gelat wrote in message
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Close examination of the postmarks shows them perfectly centered over
four
stamps, four times in the sheetlet. This can only happen if they were
applied at the time of priming.

Tony

"Mette" wrote in message
...
Bob Ingraham wrote in message
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- snip -

If a postal clerk cancels a stamp at the request of a customer, the
resulting stamp is said to have been "favour cancelled". It may look
like
a
CTO, but isn't.

Good point, Bob. A couple of months ago I received this impressive
expres-cover from Ireland, franked with a whole sheet of AnPost's
latest art issue. The cover is cancelled on 11th October 2003, in
Baile Atha Cliath, Ireland.

http://w1.1429.telia.com/~u142900356...-ArtSheet1.jpg

The cover is so big that it can't go into my scanner. If I had the
nerve to soak off this sheet, it would be considered a CTO.
Who would know the difference, since many CTOs are often
soaked in order to make believe that they were postally used?

The stamps show paintings on stamps by James Barry, Gabriel
Metsu and Jean-Antoine Watteau, that have just been exhibited
at the National Gallery of Ireland.

Apart from the documents carried in this cover, it also contained
a MNH-sheet + a prestige-booklet of the same paintings, with
full info about the paintings, the artists, and the exhibition as
such.

Mette


The stamps were issued SEPT 09, 2003.
I doubt very much they are CTO with another date.
There are cancellers that allow very precise positioning.

Was this cover backstamped?

Blair



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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:10:14 -0600, "A.E. Gelat"
wrote:

Further to my reply below, and after reading all the comments, I took a
second look at the sheetlet. Close examination does show minute deviations
from one block of four to another. But all that means is that the
Pre-cancel was done at a later time, not during the original printing of the
stamps. It is like an overprint, and the setting might show minor
displacements on a sheet.

Tony

A bulk precancel would not have the exact date that was NOT
the First Day of Issue. Would they do a precancel run of ONE sheet?

It's easy to make a frame to hold cancellation devices in a fixed
position.

Blair



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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:58:10 +0800, "Rodney"
wrote:


| There may be a dozen or so dusky maidens on Nauru, but definitely no
| on Pitcairn! :^)

Ummm Yes, you're right! ( I am claiming a "senior moment")
They were dusky maidens, that's about all I got right. :0(
They were from St. Vincent
and they are supposedly cancelling FDC's

.........Funny looking FDC's

see what you think..........

http://groups.msn.com/Stamps/shoebox...to&PhotoID=161



Looks like FDCs to me. Look at the cachets.
There seem to be 10 or 13 stamps in the series,
so possibly they are defins. If Rodney can date
the photo, then maybe we can ID the series.

Blair



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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:14:08 GMT, Tracy Barber
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:58:10 +0800, "Rodney"
wrote:


| There may be a dozen or so dusky maidens on Nauru, but definitely no
| on Pitcairn! :^)

Ummm Yes, you're right! ( I am claiming a "senior moment")
They were dusky maidens, that's about all I got right. :0(
They were from St. Vincent
and they are supposedly cancelling FDC's

.........Funny looking FDC's

see what you think..........

http://groups.msn.com/Stamps/shoebox...to&PhotoID=161

Ahhh, the old "St. Vincent FDC Club" bait and swithc routine, eh?
That's probably where all Nauru and Pitcairn get their FDcs canceled!

--- :^P

Tracy Barber



Actually a past colleague of mine xame from St Vincent.
He said that when he went home, he would visit
the philatelic bureau. to get stamps and that they were
some of the friendliest and helpful folks that he knew.

Blair



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| Looks like FDCs to me. Look at the cachets.
| There seem to be 10 or 13 stamps in the series,
| so possibly they are defins. If Rodney can date
| the photo, then maybe we can ID the series.

'tis not elementary, Holmes.
The cover of the mag they adorned was May 1976
They look like Minisheets to me, excepting the
way they curl, a bit like cards.

My guess is the 1975 bicent of the amer revolution
10 stamps
Minisheet SG MS 466

Over to you.

A.E. Gelat wrote in message
...
No, Mette, I meant that the cancellation was done at the same time as the
printing of the stamps. Take a good look at the position of the postmarks
on the stamps. There is no way that a person hand cancelling the stamps
can
place it at the same exact place four times on the sheetlet. Perhaps a
better phrase will be Pre-cancelled. This does not mean that the sheetlet
does not exist without the cancellation.

Thanks for your authoritative answer, Tony.
Mette

TC wrote in message
...

Mette:

"Baile Atha Cliath" in English is DUBLIN.

Thank you Blair. So much for my Gaelic :-)
Mette

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:50:44 -0500, TC wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:14:08 GMT, Tracy Barber
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:58:10 +0800, "Rodney"
wrote:


| There may be a dozen or so dusky maidens on Nauru, but definitely no
| on Pitcairn! :^)

Ummm Yes, you're right! ( I am claiming a "senior moment")
They were dusky maidens, that's about all I got right. :0(
They were from St. Vincent
and they are supposedly cancelling FDC's

.........Funny looking FDC's

see what you think..........

http://groups.msn.com/Stamps/shoebox...to&PhotoID=161

Ahhh, the old "St. Vincent FDC Club" bait and swithc routine, eh?
That's probably where all Nauru and Pitcairn get their FDcs canceled!

--- :^P

Tracy Barber



Actually a past colleague of mine xame from St Vincent.
He said that when he went home, he would visit
the philatelic bureau. to get stamps and that they were
some of the friendliest and helpful folks that he knew.

Cool. I was busting on Rodney, because they were all Commonwealth
countries and well, don't they share the "common wealth" ?

* groan *

Tracy Barber