Frank the Spammer has been NARUed!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike wrote:
I still get advertisements in the mail from dealerships where I have test
driven a car or gone in to look around. No difference in an email
advertising something that may be of interest to a customer than a
dealership sending out a special offer to test drive the newest and greatest
automobile.

So much energy is being exerted on this miniscule topic. I see nothing wrong
with someone sending out an email advising a former customer of some
upcoming items that may be of interest. This may constitute one email a week
at best? The problem of spam lies in the companies that buy and sell address
lists, then sending 5 emails an hour to each of those addresses for
everything to super soap to a hundred million dollars of life insurance for
a penny. An infrequent email that can be easily identified by the sender's
addy is not my definition of spam, and especially with an "opt out" option
that is honored.
For those of you that are overly concerned with receiving a message taking
up 1k of space in your inbox: try finding something just a little more
important to lose your sleep over, it's not a big deal.



So if you've been on eBay for five years and won items from 1000
different people, you'd have no problem with receiving just one email a
week from each of those 1000 people? That works out to well over a
hundred a day that you have to wade through. I guess you shouldn't
complain about all the herbal viagra spam either, after all, most of
them don't send you more than one a week. The fact that thousands of
people are sending out this spam doesn't alter the fact that each
spammer may only be sending out spam a single time a week.

As for your junk mail comparison, how often does that junk mail arrive
postage due? The junk mailer pays for the postage, you pay the cost of
receiving email spam. It's far more akin to those unsolicited phone
calls that come at mealtime, and oddly enough most people seem to get
pretty irritated about that too.

"Mike" wrote in message
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For those of you that are overly concerned with receiving a message taking
up 1k of space in your inbox: try finding something just a little more
important to lose your sleep over, it's not a big deal.


Seeing as you don't know how to post in Usenet I don't expect you do
understand the spam issue. When you've been online a while and have to hide
your email address like a criminal in order to avoid having your mailbox
filled so legit messages are rejected while you're on vacation, then maybe
you'll have a clue. I advise you to learn what the spam problem is. Maybe
ask your ISP how much of your monthly bill they attribute to spam. You won't
be happy.

--
McWebber
No email replies read
If someone tells you to forward an email to all your friends
please forget that I'm your friend.

"McWebber" wrote in message
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"Mike" wrote in message
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For those of you that are overly concerned with receiving a message
taking
up 1k of space in your inbox: try finding something just a little more
important to lose your sleep over, it's not a big deal.


Seeing as you don't know how to post in Usenet I don't expect you do
understand the spam issue. When you've been online a while and have to
hide
your email address like a criminal in order to avoid having your mailbox
filled so legit messages are rejected while you're on vacation, then maybe
you'll have a clue. I advise you to learn what the spam problem is. Maybe
ask your ISP how much of your monthly bill they attribute to spam. You
won't
be happy.


For aol users, out of the $23.95 per month, the $3 per household is the amt
used to handle the spam on their end.

4.7 billion spam emails are received through Aol's mailservers on a DAILY
basis ( you realize that's more than the amt of people served at McDonalds
in all its time its been in business? )

And hardly, a spam message these days are 1 kb each. With all the crap they
put in (images, html bugs, tracking, hash busters etc ) one spam message
becomes 16 kb.

There is no violation of ANY proposed spam law if you have an EXISTING
BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP with the recipient.


Q. What is spam?
Spam is a popular term for unsolicited commercial electronic mail.
Spam is commercial e-mail sent to the recipient by a person or
business with whom the recipient does not have an established
business relationship

Q. What is an established business relationship?
An established business relationship is "an existing
relationship formed by a voluntary communication
between a person or entity and the recipient with or
without an exchange of consideration, on the basis
of an inquiry, application, purchase, or use by the
recipient regarding products or services offered by
such person or entity."

--
RARE COIN AUCTIONS NO MINIMUMS http://www.frankcoins.com
Ebay Powerseller FRANKCOINS Texas Auction License 11259
Board member of Texas Coin Dealers Association, Fort Worth Coin Club.
Member: Texas Numismatic Assoc, American Numismatic Assoc.

"McWebber" wrote in message
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"RipCurl" wrote in message
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Actually he probably violated about 49 state laws that DO have spam laws
on
the books.

I think it's more like 26.

My bad, I was thinking of something else. I knew that half of the states
have passed a law about spam.


California just passed the most harshest of laws conscerning
spam, and eBay is based in California.

Which takes effect in January.


So essentiallt, if Frank keeps his sh!t up, he will be prosecuted under
California law if he spams a California resident and eBay can even take him
to court for spamming their customers.

"McWebber" wrote in message
news
"a. linklurker" wrote in message
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Americans are the people. English is the language.

There is standard English and there is English. The English spoken in
Britain is quite different from the English spoken in the United States
and,
in some cases and words, may as well be another language entirely.

e.g. A boot is not what you wear on your feet.
--
McWebber
No email replies read
If someone tells you to forward an email to all your friends
please forget that I'm your friend.


Actually I was taught in school that english used in england was proper
english(wouldn't suprise me if what I was taught was wrong though)

"Richard Ward" wrote in message
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Bruce Hickmott wrote:
snip
I ignored most of this thread, but I assumed that this had already been
pointed
out to him. Most likely in a hostile manner, but I don't know that. I
wanted to
repeat it, to make sure that Frank saw it from somebody who wasn't a
Frank-hater. Tough to take advice from people who wish you ill.

The thing is, when Frank started this, he didn't really seem to have
anyone who wished him ill over here. The only prior contact with this
group I think he's ever had are the defamatory posts made about him, but
they weren't written in such a manner as to be even marginally
believable. It's as if I posted a string of rambling posts stating
that Bruce Hickmott sacrifices virgins before breakfast, posting them
anonymously to a group that had never heard of Bruce Hickmott or me.
Such posts are generally regarded as noise, the only purpose they serve
is in the imagination of the idiot posting them.

Frank created the furor, and seemed quite intent on doing just that.
Whenever it died down for a while, he returned to restart the same old
thread that had already died a natural death.

And along the way did some things that really created doubt in a lot of
people's minds.


Richard Ward

there is no reason you cannot add a sig line to the bottom of your legit
emails that invites people to sign up for your email list.

"Derek (SC)" wrote in message
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There *is* a way--they can add consenting buyers to their lists. Buyers
that haven't given their consent shouldn't receive such announcements.

But how can you let the buyers know about your list - without relying
on people not being lazy and checking out your website (not a good
possibility from my experience) and thereby defeating the point
of having a list, or letting them know through e-mail -
thereby perhaps constituting "spam" just letting
them know about it in the first place. It's an interesting conundrum.

Derek

"Mike" wrote in message
...
I still get advertisements in the mail from dealerships where I have test
driven a car or gone in to look around. No difference in an email
advertising something that may be of interest to a customer than a
dealership sending out a special offer to test drive the newest and
greatest
automobile.

So much energy is being exerted on this miniscule topic. I see nothing
wrong
with someone sending out an email advising a former customer of some
upcoming items that may be of interest. This may constitute one email a
week
at best? The problem of spam lies in the companies that buy and sell
address
lists, then sending 5 emails an hour to each of those addresses for
everything to super soap to a hundred million dollars of life insurance
for
a penny. An infrequent email that can be easily identified by the sender's
addy is not my definition of spam, and especially with an "opt out" option
that is honored.

BS. I do not want to get one email a week from every ebay seller I have
ever bought from.

For those of you that are overly concerned with receiving a message taking
up 1k of space in your inbox: try finding something just a little more
important to lose your sleep over, it's not a big deal.


"Deborah Stevenson" wrote in message
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In wsznb.50768$Tr4.106963@attbi_s03 "Derek \(SC\)"
writes:

There *is* a way--they can add consenting buyers to their lists.
Buyers
that haven't given their consent shouldn't receive such
announcements.

But how can you let the buyers know about your list - without relying
on people not being lazy and checking out your website (not a good
possibility from my experience) and thereby defeating the point
of having a list, or letting them know through e-mail -
thereby perhaps constituting "spam" just letting
them know about it in the first place. It's an interesting conundrum.

I'm really not seeing how it's a conundrum. When you have a
transaction,
you ask the buyer if s/he's interested in being added to your mailing
list. You can also ask the buyer if s/he'd be interested in being added
to your *planned* mailing list, if you don't have one yet.

If you don't have a mailing list and will never have one, don't ask the
buyer :-).

If you had transactions before you developed your mailing list and
didn't
think to ask about the future possibilities, them's the breaks--you
don't
get to send them stuff now because you forgot to ask then, any more than
the place you bought your car from twenty years ago gets to spam you now
because they didn't have email then. If they're repeat customers,
they'll
repeat, and you can ask them when you're in another transaction with
them.


--
Deborah Stevenson

[eliminate OBSTACLES to email me]

"SgtDeath" wrote in message
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as long as it is an opt-in list. but there is no reason you can't do
that
outside of ebay more effectively, and then you have control of the list.
if
I were a serious eBay seller, I would not want to have ebay controlling
my
lifeline to my customers either, even though I explicitly agreed to it
when
I agreed to the contract with eBay.

So you're saying that you can agree with something at the beginning, but
later if you change your mind you're still in the right? That explanation
of
yours "even though I explicitly agreed to it when I agreed to the contract
with ebay" give NO EXCUSE whatsoever for thinking spamming is ok. If you
agreed to a TOS, you agreed to it. If you find something later you don't
agree to, it's not ok to say well I agreed with what I thought I signed up
with. A violation is a violation whether you're a newbie or you're a
veteran
seller and just now read the TOS.



I don't think you got the meat of my point. I understand that sellers may
have an issue with ebay having more control over contact with their
customers than they would like. Understanding that point, and thinking its
OK to randomly spam anyone you ever sold to is not the same thing.