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"M. Bond" wrote: Yikes. If you're going to bloviate, get thee to a spell checker. Scot Kamins pecked in some version of English: snip Yeah, I cop to messing up on that. And I claim to educated! Scot Kamins -- Collecting the Modern Library 1917-1970 Modern Library Collecting Website at: http://www.dogeared.com |
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:10:57 +0100, "michael adams"
wrote: "Bud Webster" wrote in message .. . Scot Kamins sez: Let the Official Records be Passed Over with the Official Spell-Checker, and Amended Thereto. Seconded. Nice to hear from you, Bud. You too, boss. ... You can puff your fur out and arch your back as much as you like. You're only ever going to count as one, on this thread Webster. Not looking too good really, is it? Just the usual suspects. And the tea-boy. michael adams the truth is out there Are you kin to a chap named Chris Barker? Cheers, John Pelan For the best in Classic SF & Horror: www.darksidepress.com |
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Oh dear. John Pelan's obvious obsession with me is still resulting in
off-topic comments in appropriate fora. Pelan recently suggested that I must be a child molester in the alt.books.ghost-fiction forum because I had published a chapbook entitled PLAGAIRISM & PEDERASTY: SKELETONS IN THE JAMESIAN CLOSET, despite the fact that such literary luminaries as Julia Briggs, Colin Wilson, Michael Cox and Anthony Powell have all expressed similar concerns about M R James' interest in adolescent men / boys. Indeed, James' own friends harboured similar concerns, believing that his Lewis Carroll-style novel THE FIVE JARS 'lifted the lid' on the 'repressed inner workings' of James' mind. But no. Pelan brushes all this aside because one of his best mates makes a living out of selling M R James books, and he accuses me of being a child molester. Plus he voices much resentment at my having discovered the important source tale for THE ASH-TREE. Pelan's obsession with me has resulted in the formation of the abusive Yahoo discussion forum "Hoppy Toadly", where he and a small band of decent-minded people make jokes about my urinating on people, or smacking their bottoms. All very odd, all very obsessive. http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/hoppy_toadly Pelan has also levelled a series of serious false allegations at me in newsnet groups, including the claim that I was dismissed from ABE (a lie) and that I often visited the house of an elderly genre authority, Richard Dalby, to cheat him out of rare books (another lie: I've never been anywhere near his house, and have actually supplied him with far more books than he has supplied me). In fact, tracking back over five years, Pelan has made a series of ridiculous allegations that vary between the obscene and the laughable. He picks up the silliest bit of gossip, leaps to gigantically silly conclusions, then dashes off to spray insults around like a skunk marking his territory. I now see that he is obsessing on the 'troll' allegation. This, from a man who has set up an abusive discussion forum. This, from a man who posted so offensively in a Yahoo site entitled Ghost Stories that it resulted in it's censure. This, from a man who has been criticised by normally meek and quiet residents of the ghost-fiction site for abusive behaviour and for revelling in online combat. It is no great coincidence that John Pelan has laid to waste the alt.books.ghost-fiction site. He has done so under the flag of attacking me. I am a troll, he says. Of course it must be true..of course it can have nothing to do with the fact that he is a small press publisher who has set up two rival ghost story discussion groups at Yahoo, and wants to shepherd prospective ghost story-buying customers into his own discussions pens, could it? It is very odd that Pelan dare accuse others of trollery or sock-puppetry. Not only does he populate his message board at Midnight House with all manner of strange sock-puppets, but we had to evict him from the Yahoo group "Robert Aickman" when he sneaked in under an alias and started causing trouble (in the form of abusive emails). http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/robertaickman No, Mr John Pelan is clearly a man obsessed. As the publisher of sadistic horror novels, he seems to be living out one fantasy too far. I am plain Chris Barker, an occasional small press publisher / writer / editor / collector, and I am not nor have I ever been Michael Adams. True, I once made the fatal mistake of questioning the content of Midnight House books, and querying the journalistic stranglehold that Pelan and Chris Roden have over discussion sites and genre journals, which coincidentally appears to have resulted in Mr Pelan's constant ankle-nipping. I'd never have intruded upon this usually sensible group had it not been for Mr Pelan's pathological insistence of attacking me once again. I have steered well clear of the group after being warned in no uncertain way by Messrs Roden / Anderson / Pelan / Paghat that they would all gang up on me and get me ejected should I ever dare to return to this newsgroup (so confident are they of being able to rouse a lynching party). (You can find an amusing post in alt.books.ghost-fiction titled THE WITCHFINDER GENERAL that parodies this whole situation.) Chris Barker The Haunted River Over Five Years Selling At ABE www.abebooks.com Small Press Publisher www.users.waitrose.com/~hauntedriver Review of 'The Dreams Of Cardinal Vittorini' by Reggie Oliver "This, the first collection by the playwright nephew and biographer of Stella Gibbons, could almost be a lost book from the days when the English ghost story was generally restrained yet contained nuggets of horror. The style is urbane and witty, the authorial personality cultured and observant, and the roots of the tales are in the great tradition of the genre." Ramsey Campbell |
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"michael adams" wrote
John http://rarebooksinjapan.com ..... Oh dear HTML as well ! Originally at least. Yet Another Gross Violation of the FAQ ! 1.3 What Kind of Posts are Inappropriate? Messages that use MIME, HTML, or any other format besides plain ASCII text. [Lawrence Person] A URL is not HTML. -- Bob Finnan The Hardy Boys Unofficial Home Page http://www.Hardy-Boys.net New & Out Of Print Books, Books-On-Tape, Videos, DVDs, CD-ROMs For Sale http://users.arczip.com/fwdixon/hbsale.htm To reply: replace nospam with fwdixon .................................................. .................... |
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Bob Finnan wrote:
Ms Walker did far more than say "something to the effect that a thread like rec.flame.michael adams is at best unconstructive" She started her own little (lame) flame war with me. Well, nothing wrong with that, surely? I thought that was part of an initiation into rcb! She didn't subscribe to Michael Adams's views, did she? However, if you consider "rec.flame.michael adams" "unconstructive"... Yes, I do. Spouting torrents of abuse is hardly ever really constructive, Bob - though I have done it myself sometimes and do concede that it's nice to let off steam on occasion. But I can't think of any cases where doing so improved the situation. ...and "a form of bullying"... I'm not saying it's necessarily a form of bullying - there are perhaps people who will only get the message if they are abused, and even some who might enjoy it - but it certainly can be. Still, I'm not in any position to throw stones here. I've wasted hours trying to use logic, reason and polite argument on the guy, and he's *still* posting crap! I'd like to know what makes this thread, of which you are an active participant, any different? What Scot's doing in this thread is fundamentally different. In calling Michael Adams a troll he's declaring him to be a negative force in this newsgroup. That's not being abusive or bullying, it's merely stating what has become perfectly obvious. Personally, that use of the word troll isn't one I particularly like. I'd like for there to be two words - "troll" for those who set out to wind people up and disrupt newsgroups just for the hell of it and something else for people who didn't actually set out with that intent, but nevertheless end up that way. The former just do it for kicks (no emotional investment involved), the latter are emotionally caught up in the situation (which is one more reason why I wouldn't subscribe to a thread dedicated to abusing that person). I may be wrong about this, but to me Adams comes across as the latter type. Still, for better or worse, "troll" is the word people will understand, and I'll subscribe to that definition of him in a way that I wouldn't subscribe to, say, "smelly poopypants" or "petrified dog excrement". Call me pernickety, but that's the way I am! -- John http://rarebooksinjapan.com |
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Can we all just put him on our respective kill files and be done with that
idiot once and for all? I just feel bad for Google Groups users who don't have kill file capability. This is my last post on the subject of michael "the moron" adams. PLONK -- Bob Finnan The Hardy Boys Unofficial Home Page http://www.Hardy-Boys.net New & Out Of Print Books, Books-On-Tape, Videos, DVDs, CD-ROMs For Sale http://users.arczip.com/fwdixon/hbsale.htm To reply: replace nospam with fwdixon .................................................. .................... |
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(Everything Snipped)
Please!!! All you are all doing is feeding the troll!! If you dont feed the darned thing eventually it will shut up and die of starvation. Stan, Giltedge Books, Chelmsford UK No trendy link to website available |
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"paghat" wrote in message om... This definition of a troll reposted in behalf of its author, Michael Adams Seton 1909, Lives of Game Animals, volume 2, Bears, Badgers, Skunks, Trolls and Weasels. Family: Troll Species Usenetus subspecies nolifeias and needclueias Description: Since they vary in appearance they are most easily identified by their habits and odor. Although some are territorial, many trolls tend to wander away from their bridges. There is slight danger, as they are quite spooky and will flee back under their span at any sign of confrontation. Subspecies: The population of the needclueias subspecies rapidly returns into hibernation at the first sign of adversity, and so the are scarce out of season. The subspecies nolifeias is more over populated, requiring more attention for vermin control. A few stand and act frightful, but it is always bluff and they too eventually retreat. They get frustrated easily when challenged and attack dead equines, beating them unmercifully, seemingly unaware of the futility of their effort. Population control: A few trolls are more ugly or aggressive with their nocturnal activities and less amusing, it is a good idea to eliminate them from the gene pool. Preferred trap is the kill pit, no bait is required. Precaution when trapping and handling: The scatology of trolls is especially strange and highly odoriferous. Use care, they will throw it around at times, but then often miss their targets and hit their own den, in other terms, "the **** hits the span". Colishe (apologies to Seton...) |
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"Chris Barker" wrote in message ...
Pelan recently suggested that I must be a child molester in the alt.books.ghost-fiction forum because I had published a chapbook entitled PLAGAIRISM & PEDERASTY: SKELETONS IN THE JAMESIAN CLOSET, despite the fact that such literary luminaries as Julia Briggs, Colin Wilson, Michael Cox and Anthony Powell have all expressed similar concerns about M R James' interest in adolescent men / boys. Indeed, James' own friends harboured similar concerns, believing that his Lewis Carroll-style novel THE FIVE JARS 'lifted the lid' on the 'repressed inner workings' of James' mind. But no. Pelan brushes all this aside because one of his best mates makes a living out of selling M R James books... Which mate is this? You aren't usually so shy of naming names. In any case, I don't see why you're implying that your chapbook would harm their sales. Did Lewis Carroll's sales figures diminish once people started speculating about his interest in young girls? For that matter, wasn't LOLITA Nabokov's best-selling book by far? And didn't you complain online (quite mistakenly, in my view) that the British Film Institute had had Kim Newman suggest that the film WHISTLE AND I'LL COME TO YOU had a sexual subtext in order to increase sales of their DVD? You've skipped over the point that the title of your chapbook unambiguously leads people to assume James was a child molester. I know he's dead, but the insult is the same. As I recall, you made it public that you wouldn't be sending review copies of the chapbook to ALL HALLOWS (the journal of the Ghost Story Society, edited by Barbara and Christopher Roden) or GHOSTS AND SCHOLARS (the site devoted to the work of M. R. James, run by Rosemary Pardoe, who I take to be someone else who has offended you). It seems odd to publish a deliberately controversial essay (originally announced for the second issue of your journal) and then refuse to send it to publications where it would be discussed in knowledgable detail. Since you cite them as authorities, have Michael Cox and Julia Briggs received copies from you? I should be interested to learn what they thought. Ramsey Campbell |
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